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MADOFF (PONZ)
halifax - 30 Jun 2009 13:41
So Bernie gets his free place in a secure retirement home, but where is the money. Perhaps the feds should start digging on Mt Sion?
Clubman3509
- 30 Jun 2009 14:10
- 2 of 268
Love it Jew robs Jews
halifax - 30 Jun 2009 15:51 - 3 of 268
A con man doesn't differentiate his victims on the basis of religion, however it is very regrettable that Madoff appears to have used his faith to cheat his fellow jews.
cynic
- 30 Jun 2009 15:59
- 4 of 268
that is rather making the facts fit your argument.
inter alia, it happened that Madoff was Jewish, so it would be natural for his circle of (Jewish, as it happens) acquaintances to be his first point of contact ..... which is somewhat different from what you are implying
inter alia, it happened that Madoff was Jewish, so it would be natural for his circle of (Jewish, as it happens) acquaintances to be his first point of contact ..... which is somewhat different from what you are implying
tabasco - 30 Jun 2009 16:16 - 5 of 268
On a positive side and with good behaviour he will do a 100 at mosthope TLFBT is taking note!
halifax - 30 Jun 2009 16:18 - 6 of 268
cynic turn that around and think of the victims that were drawn to Madoff because of his jewish faith.
cynic
- 30 Jun 2009 16:42
- 7 of 268
indeed .... and further, his CV was impeccable ..... but what man in the street would not think this guy was the bee's knees, and furthermore, he neither made nor delivered anything extraordinary or extravagant .... just a good basic return of 8/10% pa or thereabouts.
for myself, i got screwed for rather a lot by Lehmans who were similarly AAA rated
for myself, i got screwed for rather a lot by Lehmans who were similarly AAA rated
halifax - 30 Jun 2009 16:51 - 8 of 268
certainly a lesson to be taken from this for some shall we say less sophisticated investors is don't let your religious beliefs come before common sense and most certainly don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Fred1new
- 30 Jun 2009 17:06
- 9 of 268
If he is going to serve a hundred years, at least it must be a healthy environment to live in.
Perhaps, the jail may be turned into a health farm!
Perhaps, the jail may be turned into a health farm!
cynic
- 30 Jun 2009 17:17
- 10 of 268
halifax .... that is a preposterous statement! ..... "religious beliefs" do not remotely come into the equation ..... nor for that matter do things like "less sophisticated investors" ...... if, as an ordinary man in the street, you are introduced to the King, you do not ask him to prove his identity or, in this instance, given the quality and business background of the investors in Madoff's portfolio of clients, would you doubt his veracity of anything else.
have you been gulled? ..... in this instance, yes you have, as was anyone with money in Lehman's (me) or any number of other "sound" institutions that collapsed, but that does not make you naive or stupid or even just plain greedy.
have you been gulled? ..... in this instance, yes you have, as was anyone with money in Lehman's (me) or any number of other "sound" institutions that collapsed, but that does not make you naive or stupid or even just plain greedy.
Falcothou - 30 Jun 2009 18:04 - 11 of 268
I imagine Hank 'the hatchet' Paulson is not on your Christmas card list cynic
cynic
- 30 Jun 2009 18:07
- 12 of 268
Chanukah!
did not think Paulson had any involvement with Lehman's, other than arguably, as Secretary of State to the Treasury, he should not have allowed it to fold.
for myself, though it cost me a large slab of my pension fund, i have put it completely from mind
did not think Paulson had any involvement with Lehman's, other than arguably, as Secretary of State to the Treasury, he should not have allowed it to fold.
for myself, though it cost me a large slab of my pension fund, i have put it completely from mind
Falcothou - 30 Jun 2009 18:25 - 13 of 268
I gather one of Alan Sugar's associates took a big bet on a Lehman recovery which did not happen. Looks like Barclay's and the likes of Goldman have benefitted from it's demise, sorry to hear about pension erosion but always best to move on...I applied for a fund of hedge fund due dilligence job a few years ago which involved contacting hedge funds with a questionnaire to assess their expertise/honesty. The questionnaire looked quite superficial which perhaps tallies with how Maddoff slipped through the net
hangon - 30 Jun 2009 18:59 - 14 of 268
Cynic's right - no-one "expects" a trusted bank (UK or elsewhere) to go belly up due to questionable practices by their own (well-paid) executives.
We saw this at Northern Rock and RBS - not to be outdone Scotland also shreded HBOS and lunacy of Lunacy, that solid British Bank ( LLOY) thought they'd take a "punt" on finding something nice . . . . . only shareholders were not allowed to stop the Execs . . . . this was something to do with UK Gov not wanting another NRK on their watch . . . . but LLOY didn't spot this, otherwise they could have extracted a "Better-deal" - and I suspect, even that wouldn't have been cheap enough.
LLOY employees at C&G will be rather upset that without a "By your leave" LLOY execs have closed their business. - - - - DYOR - - - -
MADOFF:-
I understand that by admitting liability Bernard alone will be punished; yet there are few that believe he acted alone.... it is unlikely that those close to him didn't have doubts and there were close-employees who benefited from the incomming-funds . . . . all IMHO.
We saw this at Northern Rock and RBS - not to be outdone Scotland also shreded HBOS and lunacy of Lunacy, that solid British Bank ( LLOY) thought they'd take a "punt" on finding something nice . . . . . only shareholders were not allowed to stop the Execs . . . . this was something to do with UK Gov not wanting another NRK on their watch . . . . but LLOY didn't spot this, otherwise they could have extracted a "Better-deal" - and I suspect, even that wouldn't have been cheap enough.
LLOY employees at C&G will be rather upset that without a "By your leave" LLOY execs have closed their business. - - - - DYOR - - - -
MADOFF:-
I understand that by admitting liability Bernard alone will be punished; yet there are few that believe he acted alone.... it is unlikely that those close to him didn't have doubts and there were close-employees who benefited from the incomming-funds . . . . all IMHO.
cynic
- 30 Jun 2009 19:26
- 15 of 268
i agree ..... Madoff cannot conceivably have acted on his own .... that by no means implies that his wife had any knowledge either, though innocent or not, she will undoubtedly bear the public opprobrium of all
halifax - 02 Jul 2009 13:19 - 16 of 268
cynic suggest you tune in to CNBC and watch some of Madoff's victims tell how they were taken in by "this nice jewish boy" and then listen to some professional investors that did not invest with him after doing their research and not being influenced by his apparent jewish beliefs.
cynic
- 02 Jul 2009 18:53
- 17 of 268
?????????????????/
i am sure you don't mean it, but you sound almost like a representative for BNP.
as so often, it is incredibly easy to find peeps who, in this instance and after the event, will say, "Oh I never ever trusted that guy", and of course it happens that they proved to be absolutely right.
However, there were at least as many very smart (goyim) cookies who were well and truly gulled.
clearly you are not jewish or you might have a better understanding.
for sure, being jewish gives you entree with other jews, just as does being a member of a golf club or a freemason or any number of "clubs" - i.e. if you are a co-member, it gives you a handle ..... however, it does not mean that others will blindly follow; it merely helps open the door.
far more culpable, it seems to me, were the FSA (or whatever the US equivalent are called) who were given all the info and ammo they needed several years ago to shut Madoff down there and then, but they willfully chose to ignore it.
i am sure you don't mean it, but you sound almost like a representative for BNP.
as so often, it is incredibly easy to find peeps who, in this instance and after the event, will say, "Oh I never ever trusted that guy", and of course it happens that they proved to be absolutely right.
However, there were at least as many very smart (goyim) cookies who were well and truly gulled.
clearly you are not jewish or you might have a better understanding.
for sure, being jewish gives you entree with other jews, just as does being a member of a golf club or a freemason or any number of "clubs" - i.e. if you are a co-member, it gives you a handle ..... however, it does not mean that others will blindly follow; it merely helps open the door.
far more culpable, it seems to me, were the FSA (or whatever the US equivalent are called) who were given all the info and ammo they needed several years ago to shut Madoff down there and then, but they willfully chose to ignore it.
tabasco - 03 Jul 2009 08:29 - 18 of 268
CynicI know Im not a fan of yoursbut that does not stop me admiring your views and honestyparticularly on the Gaza conflictScotty gave a few arseholes a hard time on these BBwhich IMHO they deservedbut you were one that he got wrongI cant figure how you would get on with Mr. Potty???you must skin him at Golf? There you goI aint all bad!
halifax - 03 Jul 2009 13:47 - 19 of 268
cynic yes the US SEC are very culpable in not following up the many warnings they received over the years and their lack of response should be investigated.
Unfortunately you have chosen to miss the point we are trying to make. Madoff deliberately used his Jewish background to persuade investors both directly and indirectly that it was safe to invest in his firm. Many of those investors appear to have had little or no understanding of the stockmarket etc but mainly relied on him being a trustworthy Jew.We feel most sorry for the elderly Jews that invested their hard earned life savings in Madoff's scam and now are left with next to nothing to live on. How Madoff has the gall to just stand up and say he is sorry without revealing the whereabouts of the money he stole is beyond belief, may he rot in jail for the rest of his natural life and thereafter may he rot in hell with his fellow ponzis for eternity and beyond.
Your remarks about the BNP are insulting, as we will never in any way condone the activities of that vile racist group of thugs. Madoff has let the whole Jewish community down and undermined the trust investors held previously.
On a slightly less serious note this whole financial disaster may give Hollywood a great opportunity for a screenplay perhaps with say somebody like Robert De Niro in the leading role.
Unfortunately you have chosen to miss the point we are trying to make. Madoff deliberately used his Jewish background to persuade investors both directly and indirectly that it was safe to invest in his firm. Many of those investors appear to have had little or no understanding of the stockmarket etc but mainly relied on him being a trustworthy Jew.We feel most sorry for the elderly Jews that invested their hard earned life savings in Madoff's scam and now are left with next to nothing to live on. How Madoff has the gall to just stand up and say he is sorry without revealing the whereabouts of the money he stole is beyond belief, may he rot in jail for the rest of his natural life and thereafter may he rot in hell with his fellow ponzis for eternity and beyond.
Your remarks about the BNP are insulting, as we will never in any way condone the activities of that vile racist group of thugs. Madoff has let the whole Jewish community down and undermined the trust investors held previously.
On a slightly less serious note this whole financial disaster may give Hollywood a great opportunity for a screenplay perhaps with say somebody like Robert De Niro in the leading role.
tabasco - 03 Jul 2009 13:58 - 20 of 268
My money is on Jerry Springer....
cynic
- 03 Jul 2009 14:12
- 21 of 268
i am glad you feel insulted ..... i think it's pretty insulting to throw around allegations about Madoff's jewish background being his major selling weapon.
leave the emotions and ethnic background nonsense out of it
to my mind there are are only a couple of major issues, neither of which have any bearing at all on Madoff being jewish
1)
He was an ace con-man who easily convinced many very wealthy and sophisticated investors in all sorts of walks of life to place their savings in his apparent safe hands
that Madoff was jewish was an almost total irrelevance.
it was his business background of having been non-exec chairman of Nasdaq and founder of one of the most successful MM businesses in USA that would readily have convinced most that he was a singularly trustworthy and financially sound and knowledgeable guy
2)
US SEC were supremely culpable in refusing to act at all on the info that was passed to them several (10?) years ago.
i actually wonder how long it will be before a class action is brought against them fro gross negligence.
leave the emotions and ethnic background nonsense out of it
to my mind there are are only a couple of major issues, neither of which have any bearing at all on Madoff being jewish
1)
He was an ace con-man who easily convinced many very wealthy and sophisticated investors in all sorts of walks of life to place their savings in his apparent safe hands
that Madoff was jewish was an almost total irrelevance.
it was his business background of having been non-exec chairman of Nasdaq and founder of one of the most successful MM businesses in USA that would readily have convinced most that he was a singularly trustworthy and financially sound and knowledgeable guy
2)
US SEC were supremely culpable in refusing to act at all on the info that was passed to them several (10?) years ago.
i actually wonder how long it will be before a class action is brought against them fro gross negligence.
Clubman3509
- 03 Jul 2009 14:29
- 22 of 268
A very wealthy Jewish man once told me never trust anyone whose name ends in Ski or Sky I never understood why, he also told me that Jewish children are brought up to believe they are better than other humans I have found tha to be true, most of the Jewish people that I have met in my life have that arrogent, I am better, or richer than you attitude.
cynic
- 03 Jul 2009 14:48
- 23 of 268
i suppose your parents also told you that jews drank the blood of christian children and most assuredly peed in milk bottles left on your doorstep.
some of you guys really are totally laughable, especially as i guess you are meant to be among the more intelligent and sophisticated of the population.
goodness knows what other balderdash and mindless prejudices you pass on to your children - and it really is frightening.
by the way, it also looks as though you have no inkling as to the background and cultural differences between ashkenazi and sephardic jews ...... at a guess, i would say that your "very wealthy jewish man" was of the latter
some of you guys really are totally laughable, especially as i guess you are meant to be among the more intelligent and sophisticated of the population.
goodness knows what other balderdash and mindless prejudices you pass on to your children - and it really is frightening.
by the way, it also looks as though you have no inkling as to the background and cultural differences between ashkenazi and sephardic jews ...... at a guess, i would say that your "very wealthy jewish man" was of the latter
tabasco - 03 Jul 2009 14:54 - 24 of 268
I believe editI know I am better than bouncyand more wealthy does that make me Jewish?I must be Ashkenazipeople are always telling me I talk Yiddish.or was it jibberish?
cynic
- 03 Jul 2009 14:58
- 25 of 268
silly bugger - lol!
tabasco - 03 Jul 2009 15:02 - 26 of 268
Ill drink to thatBloody Mary please.
Clubman3509
- 03 Jul 2009 15:03
- 27 of 268
cynic - 03 Jul 2009 14:48 - 23 of 24
i suppose your parents also told you
I do not understand that bit of your post, my parents did not tell me anything about jews they were good Christians.
If you had read my previous post you would know that it was the wealthy jew who was telling me these stories. No matter anyway at least BM F****** a lot of them.
i suppose your parents also told you
I do not understand that bit of your post, my parents did not tell me anything about jews they were good Christians.
If you had read my previous post you would know that it was the wealthy jew who was telling me these stories. No matter anyway at least BM F****** a lot of them.
tabasco - 03 Jul 2009 15:06 - 28 of 268
Clubmanthere is good and bad in alljust swerve the bad!!!
cynic
- 03 Jul 2009 15:07
- 29 of 268
"I have found tha to be true, most of the Jewish people that I have met in my life have that arrogent, I am better, or richer than you attitude" ...... is that so? ...... so no doubt you tell your children the same, even if it certainly would not stand up to scrutiny
Pope Pius X11 was a good christian too, or so we are led to believe!
Pope Pius X11 was a good christian too, or so we are led to believe!
tabasco - 03 Jul 2009 15:40 - 30 of 268
There are some tasty Jewish ladies Lisa Kudrow Jamie Lee Curtis Goldie HawnJoan CollinsGwyneth PaltrowDani Behr. Sarah Jessica ParkerOlivia Newton-JohnCaprice... JordanHelena Bonham Carter.oh and I forgot..Vanessa Feltz.cant win them all!
halifax - 03 Jul 2009 15:40 - 31 of 268
cynic you appear to have fallen off your trolly at last, try to have a little grace for once.
cynic
- 03 Jul 2009 15:47
- 32 of 268
grace and trolley have nothing to do with one another, unless perhaps one is dancing on the latter.
however, i confess i have always found it better to say things the way they are - or at least the way i see them - than to pussyfoot around ...... if somewone wants to be a bigotted and prejudiced ass, then i feel perfectly at liberty to tell them so .... and if (as!) the cap fits someone on this thread, then so be it.
however, i confess i have always found it better to say things the way they are - or at least the way i see them - than to pussyfoot around ...... if somewone wants to be a bigotted and prejudiced ass, then i feel perfectly at liberty to tell them so .... and if (as!) the cap fits someone on this thread, then so be it.
Clubman3509
- 03 Jul 2009 15:51
- 33 of 268
Katie Price AKA Jorden is not Jewish her grandmother was.
tabasco - 03 Jul 2009 15:52 - 34 of 268
Caps are nearly always adjustable?.
halifax - 03 Jul 2009 15:54 - 35 of 268
cyniic so you are the judge but not the executioner, its a pity you can't bring yourself to condemn Madoff just because he is a dishonest jew having stolen millions of dollars from fellow jews that trusted him.
tabasco - 03 Jul 2009 16:04 - 36 of 268
ClubmanI thought she was Jewishbut I am happy to be corrected.is some of her Jewish?
cynic
- 03 Jul 2009 16:05
- 37 of 268
Madoff is self-condemned as a con-man and swindler.
SEC is self-condemned as a bunch of supremely negligent so-called watchdogs
it really is very noticeable how you keep harping on about the fact that Madoff happens to be jewish.
what point are you trying to make?
what relevance his ethnic origins?
to pursue that line .....
was it actually relevant that Eichmann was a jew?
was it relevant that Eugenio Maria Giuseppe Giovanni Pacelli was NOT jewish?
SEC is self-condemned as a bunch of supremely negligent so-called watchdogs
it really is very noticeable how you keep harping on about the fact that Madoff happens to be jewish.
what point are you trying to make?
what relevance his ethnic origins?
to pursue that line .....
was it actually relevant that Eichmann was a jew?
was it relevant that Eugenio Maria Giuseppe Giovanni Pacelli was NOT jewish?
jkd - 03 Jul 2009 16:05 - 38 of 268
its not all bad news, seems t feels he's made up with cynic. ah! how nice.
regards
jkd
regards
jkd
tabasco - 03 Jul 2009 16:10 - 39 of 268
Jkdshow me where I fell out with Cynicnever havehe might have fallen out with me?.but then he cant always be right.
halifax - 03 Jul 2009 16:11 - 40 of 268
cynic the relevance as you well know is that Madoff used his religion to ingratiate himself with gullible elderly jewish investors, doesn't that make him the lowest type of conman.
cynic
- 03 Jul 2009 16:20
- 41 of 268
you are talking total balls, or at best twisting certain facts to suit your argument ..... as of course does the BNP or apologists for other "interesting" regimes and the like
try reading post 17, for that sets it out reasonably briefly and certainly objectively and without emotional claptrap .......... post 21 is even more succinct
try reading post 17, for that sets it out reasonably briefly and certainly objectively and without emotional claptrap .......... post 21 is even more succinct
halifax - 03 Jul 2009 16:38 - 42 of 268
cynic thanks for confirming that you are a self opionated prat not prepared to face facts or reality. Your only modus operandi is to try to insult and wind up other contributors to this board ,why don't you grow up?
Clubman3509
- 03 Jul 2009 16:46
- 43 of 268
halifax - 03 Jul 2009 16:38 - 42 of 42
cynic thanks for confirming that you are a self opionated prat not prepared to face facts or reality. Your only modus operandi is to try to insult and wind up other contributors to this board ,why don't you grow up?
Hear, hear and so say all of us.
cynic thanks for confirming that you are a self opionated prat not prepared to face facts or reality. Your only modus operandi is to try to insult and wind up other contributors to this board ,why don't you grow up?
Hear, hear and so say all of us.
jkd - 03 Jul 2009 16:59 - 44 of 268
personallly i like to read cynics comments on all threads that he posts on on this board. seems to me he is more than prepared to face facts and bite the bullet when wrong and required AND admit to it. unlike many others who insist on fighting losing battles, they are the deluded ones. no wonder t wants to make up.
regards
jkd
regards
jkd
cynic
- 03 Jul 2009 17:05
- 45 of 268
far from it, though you are welcome to your view
you happen not to like the clear and unemotional and objective facts i present
on the other hand, you continue to imbue your own posts with emotional garbage and seemingly expect me (and others) to meekly accept it - or get abused for the presumption
you happen not to like the clear and unemotional and objective facts i present
on the other hand, you continue to imbue your own posts with emotional garbage and seemingly expect me (and others) to meekly accept it - or get abused for the presumption
tabasco - 03 Jul 2009 17:10 - 46 of 268
Jkdyou are an aggravating little shitI agree entirely with your postthen you blow it on the last lineCynicFFS tell JKD and the sunshine band that I have never written anything detrimental about youeven though you have on many occasion been less than sympathetic to my views.
cynic
- 03 Jul 2009 17:12
- 47 of 268
if i have written detrimentally about you (or anyone else) it's because i thought it warranted!
most times i manage to stay out of joining others in their cesspit of personal abuse
most times i manage to stay out of joining others in their cesspit of personal abuse
tabasco - 03 Jul 2009 17:47 - 48 of 268
Oh well! that clears that up then.
Fred1new
- 03 Jul 2009 17:49
- 49 of 268
Cynic, once when a lot younger, I was nearly conned by a Christian Welshman. After that, I added the Welsh to all the suspicious groups, of people I met, regardless of thei race or religion. Possibly save me a few problems.
However, I have a disagreement with some of the sentiments in you earlier postings.
I feel that the Jewish lobby is prepared to use their Judaism in statements such as Promised Land , when it suits them. (Or some of them.)
Again, I find it irritating the use of the Holocaust by many Jews for various reasons, referring to the deaths of approximately 6.5million Jews, but ignoring the fact that approximately 65millions deaths of othier human beings could be attributed to the WW2 period.
Also, I feel that recent Israeli administrations have been arrogant and abusive to the Arabs (the reverse is also true) and hence the present problems. Arrogance is often the consequence of success, but can lead to a downfall.
There are villains and victims in all groups and races.
One of the things I dont have a problem with though is Jewish (Yiddish) humour, which like Welsh humour is often self-depreciating.
Surprising thing, how many seem to take life far to seriously or personally.
However, I have a disagreement with some of the sentiments in you earlier postings.
I feel that the Jewish lobby is prepared to use their Judaism in statements such as Promised Land , when it suits them. (Or some of them.)
Again, I find it irritating the use of the Holocaust by many Jews for various reasons, referring to the deaths of approximately 6.5million Jews, but ignoring the fact that approximately 65millions deaths of othier human beings could be attributed to the WW2 period.
Also, I feel that recent Israeli administrations have been arrogant and abusive to the Arabs (the reverse is also true) and hence the present problems. Arrogance is often the consequence of success, but can lead to a downfall.
There are villains and victims in all groups and races.
One of the things I dont have a problem with though is Jewish (Yiddish) humour, which like Welsh humour is often self-depreciating.
Surprising thing, how many seem to take life far to seriously or personally.
jkd - 03 Jul 2009 17:50 - 50 of 268
t
its nice to agree on certain matters, its also to be expected that on other matters we may disagree but i see no need for either of us to be abusive to each other.
regards to you
jkd
edit have i ever been abusive to you?
its nice to agree on certain matters, its also to be expected that on other matters we may disagree but i see no need for either of us to be abusive to each other.
regards to you
jkd
edit have i ever been abusive to you?
tabasco - 03 Jul 2009 18:12 - 51 of 268
Fred1new- 03 Jul 2009 17:49 - 49
Surprising thing, how many seem to take life far to seriously or personally.
Fredyou mean like me. Laugh I nearly handed my cigars round.JKDhave I ever been abusive to you?15 alland you can be exasperatingI bet your wife can verify thatbut i agree with your views on Cynic....
Surprising thing, how many seem to take life far to seriously or personally.
Fredyou mean like me. Laugh I nearly handed my cigars round.JKDhave I ever been abusive to you?15 alland you can be exasperatingI bet your wife can verify thatbut i agree with your views on Cynic....
jkd - 03 Jul 2009 18:17 - 52 of 268
t
the above edit question is rhetorical. itll take me ages to respond. but i can and will if required.
regards
jkd
the above edit question is rhetorical. itll take me ages to respond. but i can and will if required.
regards
jkd
halifax - 03 Jul 2009 18:31 - 53 of 268
cynic your failure to recognise your abusive and insulting comments shows a major flaw in your mentality. We are all allowed freedom of speach in our country please respect that by abstaining from personal abuse.
Fred1new
- 03 Jul 2009 18:32
- 54 of 268
JKD, Go on with you!
(I think you have to be Welsh to understand that idiom.)
(I think you have to be Welsh to understand that idiom.)
jkd - 03 Jul 2009 18:39 - 55 of 268
t
re your post no. 51
guess the ball is now in my court and i am serving. you are more slippery than an eel.
lets try your post no. 46 on this thread for starters, lots of others as you well know.
30/15
your turn.
regards
jkd
edit and ps you've already conned me into giving you 15 where did they come from? LoL: do you always need a head start?
re your post no. 51
guess the ball is now in my court and i am serving. you are more slippery than an eel.
lets try your post no. 46 on this thread for starters, lots of others as you well know.
30/15
your turn.
regards
jkd
edit and ps you've already conned me into giving you 15 where did they come from? LoL: do you always need a head start?
Fred1new
- 03 Jul 2009 19:02
- 56 of 268
A bit like the hare and the Tortoise.
cynic
- 03 Jul 2009 20:13
- 57 of 268
halifax .... your failure to recognise objective logic should come as a surprise to me, but it doesn't
tabasco - 03 Jul 2009 20:58 - 58 of 268
JKDthat is me matesaid without any malice or venom.just expressive in a cockney type of way.you take me too seriouslyas do most on here surely 30 all.and isnt tennis a funny old game.you get two points and they give you 28 more for nothing. Is tennis a Jewish game?and finally just as a raphow about Halifax and Cynic calling it a goalless drawyou both have a point but your pencils are blunt I really must have another drink.
jkd - 03 Jul 2009 21:37 - 59 of 268
blimey t
you really are so so slippery. us cockneys just luv those jellied eels. oh. and dont forget the mash. no malice no venom. 40/15 not going to post anymore as you always seem to sidetrack everyone away from the main topic which coincidently always seems to suit you, so. last post.
regards
jkd
you really are so so slippery. us cockneys just luv those jellied eels. oh. and dont forget the mash. no malice no venom. 40/15 not going to post anymore as you always seem to sidetrack everyone away from the main topic which coincidently always seems to suit you, so. last post.
regards
jkd
tabasco - 03 Jul 2009 22:37 - 60 of 268
JKDtrue to form.and the favourite gets beat..last touch!!!
Regards
Tabasco
Regards
Tabasco
jkd - 03 Jul 2009 23:31 - 61 of 268
not quite,
40/15 is actually my serve for match. will serve it when needed. i have that ace just awaiting, what an ace ,
regards
jkd
40/15 is actually my serve for match. will serve it when needed. i have that ace just awaiting, what an ace ,
regards
jkd
marni - 04 Jul 2009 02:32 - 62 of 268
its a shame this new thread has turned so bitter so quickly............for the record, i find cynic interesting, sometimes informative and always entertaining.
good luck cyners
good luck cyners
tabasco - 04 Jul 2009 05:32 - 63 of 268
JKDNew Balls!
cynic
- 04 Jul 2009 08:38
- 64 of 268
thanks marni, though i think even i, the suave statesman, may have upset you on some occasion in the past on a different thread ...... no doubt told you a stock you were raving about was a crock of shit! ...... Coffee Republic maybe
Fred1new
- 04 Jul 2009 12:20
- 65 of 268
Actually, I think cynic is occaisionally interesting, but for an individual who wishes to be seen as "objective" he very emotional and is easy to bait.
cynic
- 04 Jul 2009 12:26
- 66 of 268
Fred ..... not by you; after a while i'm afraid i just found you repetitive and boring
Fred1new
- 04 Jul 2009 16:28
- 67 of 268
OH! 8-)
Clubman3509
- 05 Jul 2009 11:00
- 68 of 268
This is my opinion, dealing with Jewish people in business for over 30 years. Most jews tend to look down on none jews, they are arrogent, big headed, and have this I am superior air to themselves. A lot of jews who I have dealt with in business are thieving, lying, money grabbing types, and most of what has happened to their kind through the ages has been brought upon themselves for trying to F*** people.
halifax - 05 Jul 2009 13:37 - 69 of 268
The reason for writing this thread is to emphasise Madoff's deliberate exploitation of his jewish faith in cheating mainly jews out of their money. Most of those interviewed on CNBC and elsewhere are ordinary hard working people some elderly retired folk now verging on being destitute. It is too late for many of these people to learn lessons from this "crime of the century" unless Maoff repents by disclosing where the stolen money can be located.
cynic
- 05 Jul 2009 16:36
- 70 of 268
this is turning into one of those rather nasty racist and heavy right wing threads, masquerading as some sort of moral crusade that we sadly see on this BB from time.
shame on the perpetrators, for of course this is how uninformed bigotry and prejudice is perpetuated down the generations.
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if halifax and a couple of others were more honest in their approach, they would leave out the jewish angle, for in truth (sic!) it is irrelevant
shame on the perpetrators, for of course this is how uninformed bigotry and prejudice is perpetuated down the generations.
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if halifax and a couple of others were more honest in their approach, they would leave out the jewish angle, for in truth (sic!) it is irrelevant
Clubman3509
- 05 Jul 2009 16:50
- 71 of 268
I wondered when cynic would play the race card.
cynic
- 05 Jul 2009 16:56
- 72 of 268
it plays itself, rather as your own reaction did.
it is most noticeable how you and halifax are (totally?) unwilling - incapable would not be the truth - to post your inheritently valid point(s) without incorporating the (irrelevant) jewish angle.
the whole discussion is therefore diminished in its content and suspect in its claim to be seeking after the truth or similar.
it is most noticeable how you and halifax are (totally?) unwilling - incapable would not be the truth - to post your inheritently valid point(s) without incorporating the (irrelevant) jewish angle.
the whole discussion is therefore diminished in its content and suspect in its claim to be seeking after the truth or similar.
Clubman3509
- 05 Jul 2009 17:09
- 73 of 268
cynic posted nasty racist and heavy right wing threads
Hardly played itself my boy
Hardly played itself my boy
cynic
- 05 Jul 2009 17:11
- 74 of 268
oh really?
please elucidate
at the same time perhaps you could inform us all how harping on about Madoff's jewish extraction enhances the discussion concerning his crime
please elucidate
at the same time perhaps you could inform us all how harping on about Madoff's jewish extraction enhances the discussion concerning his crime
Fred1new
- 05 Jul 2009 20:03
- 75 of 268
Cynic,
I thought on one occasion, you claimed to be objective and yet when you read any criticism of Israel, Judaism or anybody of "Jewish origin", whether the latter is either racial or religious origin, you tend to be hypersensitive and quite often respond abusing the writer rather than the refuting facts which are stated.
Many think you are being deliberately unpleasant. (Which is your right.)
However, although, I don't like the tone of the thread and the remarks of Clubman, I "think" that Madoff pertained to be a Jew and probably, and the largest group of people, who Madoff abused, were Jewish. This would be as expected as ones friends, acquaintances and business colleagues, in a foreign country are usually firstly drawn from ones own culture.
I feel you, and one or two others, are all too often responding with a commonly heard chant, when anyone raises a criticism of anything Jewish or of Jewish origins.
Being critical of somebodys action, is not necessarily the same as trying diminishing or devalue the person
I recall working for/with one Jew, who I thought was a very unpleasant individual, while another Jew a few years later, offered me a contract, far more honest and reasonable than others in the same position.
I thought on one occasion, you claimed to be objective and yet when you read any criticism of Israel, Judaism or anybody of "Jewish origin", whether the latter is either racial or religious origin, you tend to be hypersensitive and quite often respond abusing the writer rather than the refuting facts which are stated.
Many think you are being deliberately unpleasant. (Which is your right.)
However, although, I don't like the tone of the thread and the remarks of Clubman, I "think" that Madoff pertained to be a Jew and probably, and the largest group of people, who Madoff abused, were Jewish. This would be as expected as ones friends, acquaintances and business colleagues, in a foreign country are usually firstly drawn from ones own culture.
I feel you, and one or two others, are all too often responding with a commonly heard chant, when anyone raises a criticism of anything Jewish or of Jewish origins.
Being critical of somebodys action, is not necessarily the same as trying diminishing or devalue the person
I recall working for/with one Jew, who I thought was a very unpleasant individual, while another Jew a few years later, offered me a contract, far more honest and reasonable than others in the same position.
cynic
- 05 Jul 2009 21:40
- 76 of 268
Fred .... a small part of your post is correct, but overall you still fail to grasp the point i have made on 2/3 occasions here.
Madoff's plausibility came through his very successful and legitimate business background of setting up one of the most successful MM businesses in USA and also through being non-exec chairman of Nasdaq
that Madoff was jewish was pretty much irrelevant, other than it opened doors for him in the jewish community, who of course were far from being the only victims.
how and why SEC chose to ignore all the evidence put before them (perhaps) 10 years ago remains to be exposed, though i am sure it will be in due course
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overall, i wonder if Madoff was really the most successful con man the world has ever seen.
The South Sea Company, admittedly a corporation, would surely have made him look an amateur in financial terms, and for sheer audacity, the likes of Gregor MacGregor and Victor Lustig, to name just two, could probably have taught Madoff a thing or two.
Madoff's plausibility came through his very successful and legitimate business background of setting up one of the most successful MM businesses in USA and also through being non-exec chairman of Nasdaq
that Madoff was jewish was pretty much irrelevant, other than it opened doors for him in the jewish community, who of course were far from being the only victims.
how and why SEC chose to ignore all the evidence put before them (perhaps) 10 years ago remains to be exposed, though i am sure it will be in due course
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overall, i wonder if Madoff was really the most successful con man the world has ever seen.
The South Sea Company, admittedly a corporation, would surely have made him look an amateur in financial terms, and for sheer audacity, the likes of Gregor MacGregor and Victor Lustig, to name just two, could probably have taught Madoff a thing or two.
spitfire43 - 05 Jul 2009 22:42 - 77 of 268
The Pope met with his Cardinals to discuss a proposal from Benjamin Netanyahu, the leader of Israel.
"Your Holiness", said one of his Cardinals, Mr. Netanyahu wants to challenge you to a game of golf to show the friendship and ecumenical spirit shared by the Jewish and Catholic faiths."
The Pope thought this was a good idea, but he had never held a golf club in his hand. "Don't we have a Cardinal
to represent me?" he asked.
"None that plays very well," a Cardinal replied. "But," he added, "there is a man named Jack Nicklaus, an American golfer who is a devout Catholic. We can offer to make him a Cardinal, then ask him to play Mr. Netanyahu as your personal representative. In addition,
to showing our spirit of cooperation, we'll also win the match."
Everyone agreed it was a good idea. The call was made. Of course, Nicklaus was honored and agreed to play. The day after the match, Nicklaus reported to the Vatican to inform the Pope of the result. "I have some good news and some bad news, your Holiness," said the
golfer.
"Tell me the good news first, Cardinal
Nicklaus," said the Pope.
"Well, your Holiness, I don't like to brag, but even though I've played some pretty terrific rounds of golf in my life, this was the best I have ever played, by far. I must've been inspired from above. My drives were long and true, my irons were accurate and purposeful, and my putting was perfect. With all due respect, my play was truly miraculous.
"There's bad news?", the Pope asked.
"Yes," Nicklaus sighed. "I lost to Rabbi Tiger Woods by three strokes."
"Your Holiness", said one of his Cardinals, Mr. Netanyahu wants to challenge you to a game of golf to show the friendship and ecumenical spirit shared by the Jewish and Catholic faiths."
The Pope thought this was a good idea, but he had never held a golf club in his hand. "Don't we have a Cardinal
to represent me?" he asked.
"None that plays very well," a Cardinal replied. "But," he added, "there is a man named Jack Nicklaus, an American golfer who is a devout Catholic. We can offer to make him a Cardinal, then ask him to play Mr. Netanyahu as your personal representative. In addition,
to showing our spirit of cooperation, we'll also win the match."
Everyone agreed it was a good idea. The call was made. Of course, Nicklaus was honored and agreed to play. The day after the match, Nicklaus reported to the Vatican to inform the Pope of the result. "I have some good news and some bad news, your Holiness," said the
golfer.
"Tell me the good news first, Cardinal
Nicklaus," said the Pope.
"Well, your Holiness, I don't like to brag, but even though I've played some pretty terrific rounds of golf in my life, this was the best I have ever played, by far. I must've been inspired from above. My drives were long and true, my irons were accurate and purposeful, and my putting was perfect. With all due respect, my play was truly miraculous.
"There's bad news?", the Pope asked.
"Yes," Nicklaus sighed. "I lost to Rabbi Tiger Woods by three strokes."
spitfire43 - 05 Jul 2009 22:52 - 78 of 268
And another to lighten the mood.................
A mortician was working late one night. It was his job to examine the dead bodies before they were sent off to be buried or cremated.
As he examined the body of Mr. Schwartz, who was about to be cremated, he made an amazing discovery: Schwartz had the longest private part he had ever Seen!
"I'm sorry Mr. Schwartz," said the mortician, "But I can't send you off to be cremated with a tremendously huge private part like this. It has to be saved for posterity." And with that the coroner used his tools to remove the dead man's schlong.
The coroner stuffed his prize into a briefcase and took it home. The first person he showed was his wife. "I have something to show you that you won't believe," he said, and opened his briefcase.
"Oh my God!" she screamed, "Schwartz is dead!"
A mortician was working late one night. It was his job to examine the dead bodies before they were sent off to be buried or cremated.
As he examined the body of Mr. Schwartz, who was about to be cremated, he made an amazing discovery: Schwartz had the longest private part he had ever Seen!
"I'm sorry Mr. Schwartz," said the mortician, "But I can't send you off to be cremated with a tremendously huge private part like this. It has to be saved for posterity." And with that the coroner used his tools to remove the dead man's schlong.
The coroner stuffed his prize into a briefcase and took it home. The first person he showed was his wife. "I have something to show you that you won't believe," he said, and opened his briefcase.
"Oh my God!" she screamed, "Schwartz is dead!"
spitfire43 - 05 Jul 2009 23:01 - 79 of 268
I cant stop finding them now, but this is good one..................
The madam of a brothel answered the ring of the bell and, on opening the door, she found standing there on the threshold, an ancient, bearded gentleman in rabbi's garb.
"May I come in?" asked the rabbi gently in an aged, quavering voice.
Feeling a little confused, the madam said, "But rabbi, surely you must be in the wrong place. Here is where we--"
"I know what you do here," interrupted the rabbi. "You don't think I came here for chopped liver, do you? Bring on the girls."
Still confused, but understanding her professional duties, the madam had several of her girls line up for the rabbi. The rabbi tottered from one girl to another until he reached Rosie, a large redhead with enormous breasts. He looked at her with appreciation and pointed, "Good! I'll take those."
The rabbi paid out the necessary money and Rosie led him upstairs. She helped him off with his coat and hung it up carefully on the nail on the door. Then she helped him off with the rest of his clothes and got into bed. There, to Rosie's astonishment, the rabbi performed with an adroitness and a skill that was unbelievable. In fact, Rosie, a hardened professional, found herself surprised into orgasm.
As they lay in bed a few minutes afterwards, relaxing, Rosie said, "How old are you, rabbi?" The rabbi said, "God has been good to me. I am eighty-eight years old." "That is certainly amazing. Listen, rabbi, if you're ever in the neighbourhood again and if you should feel in the mood, please ask for me--Rosie. I would be delighted to oblige you." The rabbi said, with a certain hauteur, "What do you mean, if I should be in the mood again? Let me sleep for five minutes right now and, believe me, I will be in the mood again." Really, rabbi? Then please take a nap."
The rabbi adjusted himself into a relaxed position, face up, placed his arms across his chest and then said, "Wait one minute. This is important. While I'm asleep, scoop up my testicles with your right hand and hold them an inch above the sheet, without moving them. Keep them absolutely motionless."
Of course, rabbi," said Rosie, and did as she was told, holding the rabbi's testicles free of the sheet for five minutes as the rabbi slept. Then he woke with a start and said, "I'm ready." And so he was, for to Rosie's delight he was even better the second time than the first.
As she lay panting, Rosie said, "It was wonderful, rabbi, but one thing I don't understand. Why was it necessary to hold your testicles motionless above the sheet while you were sleeping?" "Oh that," said the rabbi. "Well, you are a nice girl and I like you very much. Still, the truth is I don't know you very well, and over there, in my coat, hanging on the hook on the door, is a thousand pounds in cash."
The madam of a brothel answered the ring of the bell and, on opening the door, she found standing there on the threshold, an ancient, bearded gentleman in rabbi's garb.
"May I come in?" asked the rabbi gently in an aged, quavering voice.
Feeling a little confused, the madam said, "But rabbi, surely you must be in the wrong place. Here is where we--"
"I know what you do here," interrupted the rabbi. "You don't think I came here for chopped liver, do you? Bring on the girls."
Still confused, but understanding her professional duties, the madam had several of her girls line up for the rabbi. The rabbi tottered from one girl to another until he reached Rosie, a large redhead with enormous breasts. He looked at her with appreciation and pointed, "Good! I'll take those."
The rabbi paid out the necessary money and Rosie led him upstairs. She helped him off with his coat and hung it up carefully on the nail on the door. Then she helped him off with the rest of his clothes and got into bed. There, to Rosie's astonishment, the rabbi performed with an adroitness and a skill that was unbelievable. In fact, Rosie, a hardened professional, found herself surprised into orgasm.
As they lay in bed a few minutes afterwards, relaxing, Rosie said, "How old are you, rabbi?" The rabbi said, "God has been good to me. I am eighty-eight years old." "That is certainly amazing. Listen, rabbi, if you're ever in the neighbourhood again and if you should feel in the mood, please ask for me--Rosie. I would be delighted to oblige you." The rabbi said, with a certain hauteur, "What do you mean, if I should be in the mood again? Let me sleep for five minutes right now and, believe me, I will be in the mood again." Really, rabbi? Then please take a nap."
The rabbi adjusted himself into a relaxed position, face up, placed his arms across his chest and then said, "Wait one minute. This is important. While I'm asleep, scoop up my testicles with your right hand and hold them an inch above the sheet, without moving them. Keep them absolutely motionless."
Of course, rabbi," said Rosie, and did as she was told, holding the rabbi's testicles free of the sheet for five minutes as the rabbi slept. Then he woke with a start and said, "I'm ready." And so he was, for to Rosie's delight he was even better the second time than the first.
As she lay panting, Rosie said, "It was wonderful, rabbi, but one thing I don't understand. Why was it necessary to hold your testicles motionless above the sheet while you were sleeping?" "Oh that," said the rabbi. "Well, you are a nice girl and I like you very much. Still, the truth is I don't know you very well, and over there, in my coat, hanging on the hook on the door, is a thousand pounds in cash."
spitfire43 - 05 Jul 2009 23:03 - 80 of 268
And my favourite one, a bit off thread I admit.....................
Somebody's seen my game
It was a sunny morning, a little before 8:00 AM, on the first hole of a busy course, and I was beginning my pre-shot routine, visualizing my upcoming shot when a piercing voice came over the clubhouse loudspeaker:
"Would the gentleman on the women's tee please back up to the men's tee, please?"
I could feel every eye on the course looking at me. I was still deep in my routine, seemingly impervious to the interruption.
Again the announcement: "Would the man on the women's tee please back up to the men's tee, please!"
I simply ignored the guy and kept concentrating, when once more the man yelled, "Would the man on the women's tee please back up to the men's tee, please!"
I finally stopped, turned, cupped my hands and shouted back....
"Would the asshole with the microphone kindly keep quiet and let me play my second shot?!"
Somebody's seen my game
It was a sunny morning, a little before 8:00 AM, on the first hole of a busy course, and I was beginning my pre-shot routine, visualizing my upcoming shot when a piercing voice came over the clubhouse loudspeaker:
"Would the gentleman on the women's tee please back up to the men's tee, please?"
I could feel every eye on the course looking at me. I was still deep in my routine, seemingly impervious to the interruption.
Again the announcement: "Would the man on the women's tee please back up to the men's tee, please!"
I simply ignored the guy and kept concentrating, when once more the man yelled, "Would the man on the women's tee please back up to the men's tee, please!"
I finally stopped, turned, cupped my hands and shouted back....
"Would the asshole with the microphone kindly keep quiet and let me play my second shot?!"
halifax - 06 Jul 2009 12:17 - 81 of 268
cynic you are of course entitled to your view of Madoff, however it has become quite apparent from interviews with his jewish victims that they would not have invested their savings with his firm had he not been a jew.
cynic
- 06 Jul 2009 12:21
- 82 of 268
in that respect, i would possibly or even probably not disagree with you, especially with regard to the "moms and pops".
however, had Madoff been of a different persuasion or similar, he would assuredly have been just as successful a swindler, though the victims would (generally) have been different - which is the point i have been trying to make from the off
and of course, had SEC not been so willfully purblind to factual evidence, they would have acted years ago
however, had Madoff been of a different persuasion or similar, he would assuredly have been just as successful a swindler, though the victims would (generally) have been different - which is the point i have been trying to make from the off
and of course, had SEC not been so willfully purblind to factual evidence, they would have acted years ago
Clubman3509
- 06 Jul 2009 12:33
- 83 of 268
The inevitable accusations — and perhaps criminal charges — against his co-conspirators, and particularly his family, are sure to continue. And another troubling aspect of the Madoff fraud has emerged in the past few weeks. It is now being alleged that certain charitable foundations and individuals on the whole reaped profits in the millions, if not billions of dollars, from Mr. Madoff’s misdeeds
They should be made to give it back, but I doubt any Jewish controlled fund would do that.
They should be made to give it back, but I doubt any Jewish controlled fund would do that.
cynic
- 06 Jul 2009 12:42
- 84 of 268
just behave yourself!
what difference would it make if it is a jewish or a pantheistic or totally secular charity?
in fact, what i think you have picked up on is the rumour that people who cashed in their investments - and there were inevitably an awful lot of them over the years - will be compelled to repay all profits thus made, even though they are and were innocent of misdeed or prior knowledge of the fraudulent nature of the "investment fund".
to my mind, that would be completely and utterly unjust - but an interesting point of law.
i am sure someone on here will know the UK law surrounding such things, assuming the same applies to the innocent acquisition and sale of stolen goods, always assuming reasonable precautions were taken to establish initial provenance
what difference would it make if it is a jewish or a pantheistic or totally secular charity?
in fact, what i think you have picked up on is the rumour that people who cashed in their investments - and there were inevitably an awful lot of them over the years - will be compelled to repay all profits thus made, even though they are and were innocent of misdeed or prior knowledge of the fraudulent nature of the "investment fund".
to my mind, that would be completely and utterly unjust - but an interesting point of law.
i am sure someone on here will know the UK law surrounding such things, assuming the same applies to the innocent acquisition and sale of stolen goods, always assuming reasonable precautions were taken to establish initial provenance
Clubman3509
- 06 Jul 2009 12:46
- 85 of 268
Do not give me orders you arrogent git
cynic
- 06 Jul 2009 12:48
- 86 of 268
oh dear oh dear oh dear.
little temper tantrums ...... time you were sent to your room until you recovered your manners
answering simple questions would of course be beyond your mental capacity
little temper tantrums ...... time you were sent to your room until you recovered your manners
answering simple questions would of course be beyond your mental capacity
Clubman3509
- 06 Jul 2009 12:51
- 87 of 268
Brave warrior behing your keyboard,
Clubman3509
- 06 Jul 2009 12:57
- 88 of 268
Why has anti-Semitism been so pervasive in so many countries, in so many time periods and for so many reasons? (One begins to wonder. Perhaps there is something wrong with the Jews and Judaism? After all, there is an old Yiddish saying -- "If one person calls you a donkey, ignore him; if two people call you a donkey, buy a saddle.")
cynic
- 06 Jul 2009 13:11
- 89 of 268
i would more than happily say the same to your face.
in fact, though the jews have indeed been persecuted across the centuries, there's been plenty of evil and worse perpetrated against christians, cathars, catholics, muslims and many many others, all masquerading as being in the name of "the true faith".
and then of course there are a myriad examples of actual or attempted genocide even within the last century, and not necessarily with any obvious "justification"
in fact, though the jews have indeed been persecuted across the centuries, there's been plenty of evil and worse perpetrated against christians, cathars, catholics, muslims and many many others, all masquerading as being in the name of "the true faith".
and then of course there are a myriad examples of actual or attempted genocide even within the last century, and not necessarily with any obvious "justification"
Clubman3509
- 06 Jul 2009 14:55
- 90 of 268
That would be a big mistake on your part.
cynic
- 06 Jul 2009 15:06
- 91 of 268
ooh dear ...... is your daddy bigger than mine then, or do you have a brigade of quasi brownshirts on call? ...... def quaking in my boots
tabasco - 06 Jul 2009 15:08 - 92 of 268
Lighten up folks.love in a peaceful World.listen.I could rip Madoffs throat outhe has wrecked innocent peoples livesI dont care about his race or religionhe is a bad guytoo many here categorisingIm an angelmy neighbour five mile away was a terrorist.opps just embarrassed Jeff lol
cynic
- 06 Jul 2009 15:10
- 93 of 268
quite right tabby, but some here feel they have to apply identifiable labels, so just being "bad guy" does not suit their criteria
halifax - 06 Jul 2009 16:16 - 94 of 268
cynic being jewish is no more an idenifiable label than being muslim, hindu or christian, you are delibeerately trying to cloud the issue that Madoff is the worst kind of conman by using his religion to steal from as you say the "moms and pops" who trusted him because he is a jew. If only he could be persuaded by his fellow jews to disclose where he has hidden the money he stole.
Clubman3509
- 06 Jul 2009 16:24
- 95 of 268
They should crucify the thieving bastard, and his family should be jailed for life, or at least sent to live in Palestein
cynic
- 06 Jul 2009 16:30
- 96 of 268
whatever the sentiment, it has to be an absolute certainty that BM was not acting on his own .... exactly who else was knowingly involved may never be discovered, though i cannot believe even SEC will allow this issue to rest ..... after all, they need to find a scapegoat for their own culpability
Fred1new
- 06 Jul 2009 16:45
- 97 of 268
Clubman, one of the reasons for Jews being picked on, is that they are generally in the minority groupings in any country, other than Israel. If you want to pick a fight the minority group are often a safe bet. One can vilify first and then jump upon and beat up. Especially useful when a diversion or a scapegoat is needed. (Speaker Martin is a typical example of this. The problem of "expenses" has not gone away, but attention has been deviated away from the crooked.)
Also, another factor is that some strands of Jews overtime, have been very successful in the "financial markets" money leding and the lenders of money for financing "wars" etc.
Sometimes, when the "wars" were over, the borrowers who did not wish to refund the lenders "turned on" and use various other ways, or excuses, to denigrate and attack the minority group. No doubt, hoping to excuse their own responsibilities by driving the annoyances or those they were indebted to, from their areas and their "homelands".
Similar, in many ways, to the Israeli "settlers" who drive Arabs off the land owned by generations of Arabs in Israel.
Also, another factor is that some strands of Jews overtime, have been very successful in the "financial markets" money leding and the lenders of money for financing "wars" etc.
Sometimes, when the "wars" were over, the borrowers who did not wish to refund the lenders "turned on" and use various other ways, or excuses, to denigrate and attack the minority group. No doubt, hoping to excuse their own responsibilities by driving the annoyances or those they were indebted to, from their areas and their "homelands".
Similar, in many ways, to the Israeli "settlers" who drive Arabs off the land owned by generations of Arabs in Israel.
cynic
- 06 Jul 2009 16:49
- 98 of 268
interestingly, jews were also singled out during times of plague, for their hygiene laws made them less prone to being infected - de facto, if they didn't catch the plague, they must have caused it
Balerboy
- 06 Jul 2009 17:43
- 99 of 268
I hate to say this, (and it's not because we have a personal relationship going on, on the asc board) but I agree with cynic, the majority of investers put their savings with Madoff because of what they could read and hear of his investments and holdings. Just the same as we could have put our savings into the Icelandic bank or any of the other's offering high returns and loosing the lot. A few of the Jewish community would have trusted him on faith, but most were in for the so called high returns and business ventures. He was good at his job... scamming.
jkd - 06 Jul 2009 17:53 - 100 of 268
yeah.
lets rip his throat out. what sort of talk is that? as for agreeing with it, well, i can only say i'm surprised at cynic. maybe he just agreed with part of t's post, maybe not.
anyway, ripping out throats and love in a peaceful world, or was it the other way around? no matter, colour me confused by such statements in the same sentence.
love and light to all
regards
jkd
lets rip his throat out. what sort of talk is that? as for agreeing with it, well, i can only say i'm surprised at cynic. maybe he just agreed with part of t's post, maybe not.
anyway, ripping out throats and love in a peaceful world, or was it the other way around? no matter, colour me confused by such statements in the same sentence.
love and light to all
regards
jkd
cynic
- 06 Jul 2009 18:01
- 101 of 268
i merely declined to react to the rhetoric!
BB ..... i don't think BM offered huge annual returns - 8/10% springs to mind - and that of course was the clever bit ..... had BM even suggested say 20% returns, then the alarm bells should have rung with any potential investor, though greed may have overcome the reticence.
BB ..... i don't think BM offered huge annual returns - 8/10% springs to mind - and that of course was the clever bit ..... had BM even suggested say 20% returns, then the alarm bells should have rung with any potential investor, though greed may have overcome the reticence.
jkd - 06 Jul 2009 18:23 - 102 of 268
cynic
is that a yes or a no? do you agree with t's entire post or just part of it? if so which and which? i know you don't hide so lets here it straight, thanks,
btw i agree with both you and t about how conmen come in all shapes, sizes, religions, colours, and height etc.it really makes no difference, look forward to your reply,
regards to you
jkd
is that a yes or a no? do you agree with t's entire post or just part of it? if so which and which? i know you don't hide so lets here it straight, thanks,
btw i agree with both you and t about how conmen come in all shapes, sizes, religions, colours, and height etc.it really makes no difference, look forward to your reply,
regards to you
jkd
tabasco - 06 Jul 2009 19:16 - 103 of 268
JKDyou really are an arsenobody is going to rip Madoff throat outthankfully most people understand my metaphorsas on this occasion with Cynic you dont miss a chance and it unfortunately brackets you in the category of a grumpy old manwhen you wish to lighten upgive bouncy a call
jkd - 06 Jul 2009 20:03 - 104 of 268
t
i have already stated i agree with you. why do you call me an arse? because i dont understand what a metaphor is? lots of people dont , they just read what they read.
anyway its easy to use it as an excuse after the event,.which is what you always seem to do to suit your means, along with telling everyone that they take you too seriously, but only after you realise you are wrong, plus lots of other excuses, always after the event,, cynic will no doubt answer for himself.
were you wrong to suggest ripping out a tongue? would there have been or could a better metaphor have been used? if so then why not have used it? or did you mean it? or maybe none at all?
regards
jkd
ps thats another one to add to our list of being abusive to each other. no doubt you will pleased to know that you are so far ahead of me i shall never ever catch up.
love and light to all
regards
jkd
i have already stated i agree with you. why do you call me an arse? because i dont understand what a metaphor is? lots of people dont , they just read what they read.
anyway its easy to use it as an excuse after the event,.which is what you always seem to do to suit your means, along with telling everyone that they take you too seriously, but only after you realise you are wrong, plus lots of other excuses, always after the event,, cynic will no doubt answer for himself.
were you wrong to suggest ripping out a tongue? would there have been or could a better metaphor have been used? if so then why not have used it? or did you mean it? or maybe none at all?
regards
jkd
ps thats another one to add to our list of being abusive to each other. no doubt you will pleased to know that you are so far ahead of me i shall never ever catch up.
love and light to all
regards
jkd
cynic
- 06 Jul 2009 20:07
- 105 of 268
do i really need to respond?
Balerboy
- 06 Jul 2009 20:18
- 106 of 268
JKD, I really think you've had enough happy pills for now, go and take a knap. :))
Clubman3509
- 06 Jul 2009 21:07
- 107 of 268
I blame cynic his type like to start the fire then stand back. A yidish tactic.
jkd - 06 Jul 2009 21:09 - 108 of 268
Bb
i've heard about such things but where can i get em? chemist? what do i ask for? :LoL
regards
jkd
i've heard about such things but where can i get em? chemist? what do i ask for? :LoL
regards
jkd
tabasco - 06 Jul 2009 21:16 - 109 of 268
Jkd.blimmy well Im damnedyou always get the wrong end of the stickso give me a breakits just my point of view and god only knows the truth.
Or as you would put it.Tabascoyou want to blind meand condemn me to eternal punishmentif thats not bad enough you batter me with the butt end of your snooker cueyou look at me with daggers and pretend to be a religious freak.yes JKD I am indeed bad!
Or as you would put it.Tabascoyou want to blind meand condemn me to eternal punishmentif thats not bad enough you batter me with the butt end of your snooker cueyou look at me with daggers and pretend to be a religious freak.yes JKD I am indeed bad!
Clubman3509
- 06 Jul 2009 21:20
- 110 of 268
jkd - 06 Jul 2009 21:34 - 111 of 268
Bb
i once went into a chemist, many years ago, and i promise you this is a true story. do i have to make a disclaimer about what is to follow, so as not to be sued by someone? this world is just crazy. anyway back to my story.
i picked up a packet of condoms, they looked interesting, ( i was married ) and handed them to the counter assistant to pay, oh no , says she you have the wrong ones here insists she, these are for black people you want these says she producing from under the counter a different packet,( my original choice of condoms were black in colour and sort of prickly/bobbly) i was too embaressed to argue with her, although i think she was the most embarressed.
black condoms? blimey we had em years ago, and with the bobbles. no wonder i'm old haT. probably normal today, what do i know? true story.
regards
jkd
i once went into a chemist, many years ago, and i promise you this is a true story. do i have to make a disclaimer about what is to follow, so as not to be sued by someone? this world is just crazy. anyway back to my story.
i picked up a packet of condoms, they looked interesting, ( i was married ) and handed them to the counter assistant to pay, oh no , says she you have the wrong ones here insists she, these are for black people you want these says she producing from under the counter a different packet,( my original choice of condoms were black in colour and sort of prickly/bobbly) i was too embaressed to argue with her, although i think she was the most embarressed.
black condoms? blimey we had em years ago, and with the bobbles. no wonder i'm old haT. probably normal today, what do i know? true story.
regards
jkd
jkd - 06 Jul 2009 21:54 - 112 of 268
t
yes aint we all, including me,
regards
jkd
yes aint we all, including me,
regards
jkd
tabasco - 06 Jul 2009 21:59 - 113 of 268
Jkdcondoms never look interestingIm sure thats a fact that will not trouble Madoff
jkd - 06 Jul 2009 22:39 - 114 of 268
t
why you change caps/non caps? no problem dont worry me.just curious.
regards
jkd
why you change caps/non caps? no problem dont worry me.just curious.
regards
jkd
Balerboy
- 07 Jul 2009 08:30
- 115 of 268
Clubman, they're all too good looking for cynic, believe me I know...... still being treated for shock....... asos remember......uugghh :)
tabasco - 07 Jul 2009 09:35 - 116 of 268
JKDwhy you talk Chinese?
BB.someone once told me Cynic could not stop a pig up a blind alleyCynicIt could have been you yourself.cycling gives you outward curvature of the legsso Im told
BB.someone once told me Cynic could not stop a pig up a blind alleyCynicIt could have been you yourself.cycling gives you outward curvature of the legsso Im told
cynic
- 07 Jul 2009 09:55
- 117 of 268
no self-respecting jew would ever want to stop a pig anywhere!
tabasco - 07 Jul 2009 10:02 - 118 of 268
Played a lot of footballI wouldnt stop many pigs eitherbut........ How about one writing you a parking ticket?
Clubman3509
- 07 Jul 2009 10:17
- 119 of 268
cynic
- 07 Jul 2009 11:57
- 120 of 268
sorry to upset you (again), but i do not and never have kept a kosher home.
on a slightly more serious note, i think judaism, along with most other religions sets out a very good philosophy for life, though i do not hold with most of the mumbo-jumbo.
for myself, i think that when i die, the worms get me (actually my wish is to be cremated), and immortality lasts only as long as you are remembered.
on a slightly more serious note, i think judaism, along with most other religions sets out a very good philosophy for life, though i do not hold with most of the mumbo-jumbo.
for myself, i think that when i die, the worms get me (actually my wish is to be cremated), and immortality lasts only as long as you are remembered.
tabasco - 07 Jul 2009 12:47 - 121 of 268
Clubman/Halifaxjust a non provocative questionif you were having a pint in your local and happened to get talking to a guy drinking next to youhe may have offered you a beeryou might of exceptedthen carried on with your pleasant conversationif it transpired that he was Jewishwould it make a difference?[no Jewish jokes] surely an individual is only responsible for his or her actionswhy quote history?right or wrong it is just the way I have always played itmind, I have been called racist on these bbs many timesif you have a better way of judging an individualplease educate me!
halifax - 07 Jul 2009 12:53 - 122 of 268
cynic we hope you are wrong as we would hate to think Madoff will become immortal as he will certainly be remembered for what he has done to his victims, unless of course the money he and perhaps others stole can be found.
cynic
- 07 Jul 2009 12:58
- 123 of 268
"the evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with their bones"
Clubman3509
- 07 Jul 2009 14:58
- 124 of 268
You will get burned and go to hell for eating bacon sarnies
Clubman3509
- 07 Jul 2009 15:00
- 125 of 268
tabasco - 07 Jul 2009 12:47 - 121 of 124
A Jew buying a Christian a drink very funny tab
A Jew buying a Christian a drink very funny tab
cynic
- 07 Jul 2009 15:13
- 126 of 268
we don 't do hell even for bacon beigels!
there's a very old joke about a Christian not buying a drink for a Jew because the Jews were responsible for sinking the Titanic
there's a very old joke about a Christian not buying a drink for a Jew because the Jews were responsible for sinking the Titanic
Clubman3509
- 07 Jul 2009 15:40
- 127 of 268
No the jews were not responsible for sinking the Titianic, but I bet they were the first ones in the lifeboats, after theiving gold from the dead
cynic
- 07 Jul 2009 15:49
- 128 of 268
let's see if i can work a truncated version of the joke on here ......
guy in the bar offers a drink to everyone in the bar, "But not for that damn Jew over there.
"Why not?" asks someone
"Because the Jews sank the Titanic, and my grandmother died on it."
"Don't be ridiculous! It was sunk by an iceberg."
"Goldberg, Steinberg, Iceberg - they're all the same!"
guy in the bar offers a drink to everyone in the bar, "But not for that damn Jew over there.
"Why not?" asks someone
"Because the Jews sank the Titanic, and my grandmother died on it."
"Don't be ridiculous! It was sunk by an iceberg."
"Goldberg, Steinberg, Iceberg - they're all the same!"
Clubman3509
- 07 Jul 2009 15:54
- 129 of 268
You missed out Bloomberg,
cynic
- 07 Jul 2009 15:55
- 130 of 268
you're right, but perhaps he was round at his mother's having tea!
Clubman3509
- 07 Jul 2009 16:03
- 131 of 268
Or playing golf with Madoff
Fred1new
- 07 Jul 2009 16:09
- 132 of 268
Cynic, before I pick on you again. Out of interest you said that the "Jews" were held responsible for the plague because, they suffered proportionally less deaths. You put this down to "hygiene rules". Are you referring to management of food and its preparation, or "personal" hygiene? Just interested.
As far a cremating you, I would be pleased to light the bomb fire for you, if I am still around.
Don't wait too long.
As far a cremating you, I would be pleased to light the bomb fire for you, if I am still around.
Don't wait too long.
cynic
- 07 Jul 2009 16:19
- 133 of 268
both, but primarily food and general household hygiene
golf .... your handle suggests you might be the better person for that
golf .... your handle suggests you might be the better person for that
tabasco - 07 Jul 2009 16:29 - 134 of 268
A bit of a bandit off 3509
Clubman3509
- 07 Jul 2009 16:30
- 135 of 268
Jews and personal hygiene do not go together, especially those jews with the black hats and curly sidburns. I was in Emirates Dubai lounge earlier this year with a bunch of them, they were smelly and looked like they never took a bath, also their clothes were filthy.
cynic
- 07 Jul 2009 16:47
- 136 of 268
you got surprisingly close then!
i am uncertain of the rules governing personal male hygiene, but certainly women must go to the mikvah at the end of their period .... or at least i think that is correct
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after some quick research, the mikvah is for all and also includes the washing of cooking utensils.
though there is no mention of using soap - that was always an unlikely word to find in Deuteronomy! - the implication is undoubtedly that personal hygiene for all is and was a very important aspect of Jewish life.
just for the record, the western concept of washing ones hands, even as a doctor, is comparatively recent - mid 19th century - which is why there was such a high incidence of puerperal fever
i am uncertain of the rules governing personal male hygiene, but certainly women must go to the mikvah at the end of their period .... or at least i think that is correct
=======
after some quick research, the mikvah is for all and also includes the washing of cooking utensils.
though there is no mention of using soap - that was always an unlikely word to find in Deuteronomy! - the implication is undoubtedly that personal hygiene for all is and was a very important aspect of Jewish life.
just for the record, the western concept of washing ones hands, even as a doctor, is comparatively recent - mid 19th century - which is why there was such a high incidence of puerperal fever
halifax - 07 Jul 2009 17:32 - 137 of 268
Presumably Madoff won't have any problems with his ablutions in his new retirement home, although he may want to watch his back.
cynic
- 07 Jul 2009 17:45
- 138 of 268
only if he has to pick up the soap
Fred1new
- 07 Jul 2009 17:52
- 139 of 268
Trouble is, that until the 70s, Britain didn't have running water or showers!
cynic
- 07 Jul 2009 17:56
- 140 of 268
showers in UK are indeed a relatively new preference to good old fashioned deep tubs, but for running water, try 1870's!
halifax - 07 Jul 2009 17:59 - 141 of 268
With all that money stashed away Madoff will probably not be showering too often.
cynic
- 07 Jul 2009 18:06
- 142 of 268
only vicariously - to launder the dosh!
Clubman3509
- 08 Jul 2009 11:04
- 143 of 268
With his money on the outside he will be well protected by the ones who run the place and I do not mean the skrews.
halifax - 08 Jul 2009 13:16 - 144 of 268
Surely the Jewish community can put pressure on Madoff and his family to disclose where he has hidden the money?
cynic
- 08 Jul 2009 13:25
- 145 of 268
what planet do you come from?
halifax - 08 Jul 2009 13:29 - 146 of 268
Madoff may wish to protect his family from future harrassment which is likely to go on as the search for the stolen money continues and intensifies.
cynic
- 08 Jul 2009 13:31
- 147 of 268
oh for goodness sake! ..... and what supreme pressure do you suppose the "jewish community" could apply? ...... this isn't Palermo!
Clubman3509
- 08 Jul 2009 13:34
- 148 of 268
Jewish Mafia very funny. You would soon spot them with their big noses, speaking down their nose, silly black hats, and curly sideburns.
Wait a minute that sounds like cynic oh shit maybe he is in the Jewish mafia.
Wait a minute that sounds like cynic oh shit maybe he is in the Jewish mafia.
halifax - 08 Jul 2009 13:34 - 149 of 268
Madoff's family live in the Jewish community and they would probably not wish to spend the rest of their lives being ostracised.
cynic
- 08 Jul 2009 13:35
- 150 of 268
that's why Sammy Davis Jnr was so inconspicuous
cynic
- 08 Jul 2009 13:36
- 151 of 268
jewish community does NOT = enclosed ghetto!
like mosquitos, we get everywhere
like mosquitos, we get everywhere
Clubman3509
- 08 Jul 2009 13:39
- 152 of 268
halifax - 08 Jul 2009 13:42 - 153 of 268
cynic we are sorry you do not appear to have much faith in the Jewish community being able to persuade the Madoffs to "come clean".
cynic
- 08 Jul 2009 13:48
- 154 of 268
i don't live in Cloud Cuckoo Land either!
cynic
- 08 Jul 2009 13:51
- 155 of 268
wouldn't much fancy the op at 7-10 years old, but i had no probs holding my nephew when he was circumcised - didn't feel a thing!
Clubman3509
- 08 Jul 2009 14:32
- 156 of 268
What kind of jew are you cynic, no roundhead, no black hat, no curly sideburns.
cynic
- 08 Jul 2009 14:38
- 157 of 268
first bit wrong, but just a dickhead - lol!
Clubman3509
- 08 Jul 2009 14:44
- 158 of 268
I love it the man tells the truth for once.
cynic
- 08 Jul 2009 14:50
- 159 of 268
i always do - it's the best way of lying
Clubman3509
- 08 Jul 2009 15:13
- 160 of 268
Jewish lying is taught at birth. They have the best teachers.
cynic
- 08 Jul 2009 15:31
- 161 of 268
rather like the jesuits
Clubman3509
- 08 Jul 2009 15:50
- 162 of 268
No they just fall in to it, Jews are taught to lie, and skrew there fellow man.
tabasco - 08 Jul 2009 16:04 - 163 of 268
Michael Marks.the founder of M&S was Jewish.that will do for meanyone that can produce such a fine company starting from only a market stallaint all badlong live St Michaels.
cynic
- 08 Jul 2009 16:13
- 164 of 268
come on Clubman, you're getting a bit boring now
actually, the jews just improved on the romans ...... the latter just nailed their fellow men
actually, the jews just improved on the romans ...... the latter just nailed their fellow men
Clubman3509
- 08 Jul 2009 16:16
- 165 of 268
Pot kettle
tabasco - 08 Jul 2009 16:18 - 166 of 268
And 4x 2 aint cheap!!!
Balerboy
- 08 Jul 2009 20:37
- 167 of 268
You all now realise that Madoff is Cynic's mother's, sister's, cousin's cousin. lol
Cynic had to make his pension fund back some how, poor man. :))
Cynic had to make his pension fund back some how, poor man. :))
cynic
- 08 Jul 2009 21:16
- 168 of 268
spot on ...... that lump to sei stumm at least helped stopped the bleeding .... no one will ever discover that BVI bank a/c
halifax - 09 Jul 2009 09:58 - 169 of 268
Somebody will find the money one day, what's the betting it's in Israel?
cynic
- 09 Jul 2009 10:01
- 170 of 268
>500:1 ..... it would be instantly traceable there ...... there are a stack of offshore havens like Panama which have no allegiance or tax treaties with USA which make far safer depositories
required field - 09 Jul 2009 10:02 - 171 of 268
It's in this government's pockets...and as we progress to the time when they will be kicked out of office..more and more...the bastards !.
Clubman3509
- 09 Jul 2009 10:12
- 172 of 268
cynic
- 09 Jul 2009 10:16
- 173 of 268
oh definitely ..... but your swipe backfires as "these bastards" are of course an offshoot of the White Supremacists or similar
Clubman3509
- 09 Jul 2009 10:23
- 174 of 268
If I were Madoff I would have donated it to the BNP or the KKK to help their cause.
cynic
- 09 Jul 2009 10:43
- 175 of 268
????????????????????
required field - 09 Jul 2009 11:05 - 176 of 268
This is supposed to be a blog about criminals and rip off merchants and like, not racists.
Clubman3509
- 09 Jul 2009 11:23
- 177 of 268
Well most of them fit the bill there
cynic
- 09 Jul 2009 11:29
- 178 of 268
almost as an aside, one does not have to dig very far beneath the surface either in UK or France (in particular) or NL to find what one might call at the politest, a strong xenophobic streak ...... USA almost doesn't count, as outside the coastal strip, the pervading ignorance about anything international is staggering
Clubman3509
- 09 Jul 2009 12:00
- 179 of 268
Please speak English, I do not understand Jewish
cynic
- 09 Jul 2009 12:06
- 180 of 268
please take your ignorance elsewhere
Clubman3509
- 09 Jul 2009 12:23
- 181 of 268
Who are you calling ignorant jew boy
cynic
- 09 Jul 2009 12:27
- 182 of 268
YOU!!!!!! .... and in all senses of the word
Clubman3509
- 09 Jul 2009 12:31
- 183 of 268
Try retard for yourself
One good thing about living here in Thailand is we do not have that PC UK bullshit
here one can call a spade a spade, and a Jew a parosite on mankind
One good thing about living here in Thailand is we do not have that PC UK bullshit
here one can call a spade a spade, and a Jew a parosite on mankind
cynic
- 09 Jul 2009 12:36
- 184 of 268
oh dear ...... such limited mental and social skills ..... amazing that you should think it does other than show you in your true light
halifax - 09 Jul 2009 12:41 - 185 of 268
Madoff's Ponzi scam has by his own admission being going on for a couple of decades. It is quite possible funds were slowly moved possibly through London to Israel and invested in companies and real estate. It would be very difficult to unravel, whereas just keeping the money in accounts in tax havens is too obvious.Madoff had a plan to hide the money he stole and leaving it in bank accounts was probably not part of that plan.
cynic
- 09 Jul 2009 12:44
- 186 of 268
halifax .... why would he want to invest "his" money specifically in the israeli economy? ...... i know he's jewish, but that is a complete non seq
Clubman3509
- 09 Jul 2009 12:48
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IanT(MoneyAM)
- 09 Jul 2009 12:57
- 188 of 268
All,
Please be aware personal insults, and any breach of our code of conduct will be viewed seriously and could result in removal of access to these bulletin boards. We have received complaints about this thread, and we will be monitoring it closely.
Please stick to the subject.
Ian
Please be aware personal insults, and any breach of our code of conduct will be viewed seriously and could result in removal of access to these bulletin boards. We have received complaints about this thread, and we will be monitoring it closely.
Please stick to the subject.
Ian
halifax - 09 Jul 2009 13:00 - 189 of 268
cynic who knows, most jews like to send money to Israel for various reasons. Don't forget the old saying "Jesus saves Moses invests".
cynic
- 09 Jul 2009 13:26
- 190 of 268
who says? ... for sure there are a number of very worthy jewish-orientated charities that may or may not be based in israel, which some (not necessarily jews) will choose to support, but that is a million miles from what you are saying.
at the end of the day madoff, like most wealthy people, is/was a business man and it is almost inconceivable that more than a small proportion (if any) of his cash would have been placed there
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IAN
Good, and none too soon ..... thank you
at the end of the day madoff, like most wealthy people, is/was a business man and it is almost inconceivable that more than a small proportion (if any) of his cash would have been placed there
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IAN
Good, and none too soon ..... thank you
halifax - 09 Jul 2009 13:32 - 191 of 268
cynic why do you continue to support the activities of this self admitted thief?
cynic
- 09 Jul 2009 13:36
- 192 of 268
i don't remotely, but i most strongly object to the stance of some that there is a link with him being jewish.
perhaps not very well, but i have tried to highlight that BM would probably have been just as successful in his swindle had he been Confusian (if you like!), the backbone for it all being his business CV
perhaps not very well, but i have tried to highlight that BM would probably have been just as successful in his swindle had he been Confusian (if you like!), the backbone for it all being his business CV
Fred1new
- 09 Jul 2009 13:47
- 193 of 268
Cynic, the strange thing for me, looking superficially at Jewish history, is for how long the Jews, as entity have been vilified throughout history and in such a large number of countries. I would suppose it due initially to being wanderers and then traders, but with commercial, family or cultural connections.
Out of interest, I had a look at the persecution of Jews and the plague. I wondered what the hygiene connection was. For various reasons, I was a little sceptical that personal hygiene was of particular value in preventing particular disease. Although, storage of food, etc. and avoidance of vermin would have been.
However, I did come across this Website which seems more probable as the cause of the persecution.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/jewish/1348-jewsblackdeath.html
Ps, I am supposing that the information is factual.
required field - 09 Jul 2009 14:00 - 194 of 268
Fred1new : that last post has nothing to do with the subject in question...Madoff is the subject and there seems to be plenty like him out there, more fraudsters to uncover...
required field - 09 Jul 2009 14:05 - 195 of 268
Boiler room scams...I've had dodgy calls from people trying to sell land and shares, the police need to trap these people.
spitfire43 - 09 Jul 2009 14:16 - 196 of 268
Talking of fraudsters, Robert Maxwell is a interesting case, apparently fell or jumped of a boat near Tenerife. I don't normally go for conspiracy theories, but there is no way he would have committed suicide, he lived out the rest of his naturel life in Israel.
Fred1new
- 09 Jul 2009 14:16
- 197 of 268
RF, As you get older you are becoming more pompous. The remarks were to Cynic.
required field - 09 Jul 2009 14:21 - 198 of 268
Spitfire43, he might have been pushed....!.
Balerboy
- 09 Jul 2009 14:34
- 199 of 268
We'd all be better off if there was no such thing as religion, it's a cloak to hide behind. In this day and age no one believes in God, just greed for more of someone else's property. Which is the basis of why we're all on this board, to make money.
The fact is we want the oil price to go up, we want the world to buy more oil and polute the world's atmosphere. Who on here gives a s**t, we all do well out of our share dealing, and thats all we care about.
regards BB
The fact is we want the oil price to go up, we want the world to buy more oil and polute the world's atmosphere. Who on here gives a s**t, we all do well out of our share dealing, and thats all we care about.
regards BB
cynic
- 09 Jul 2009 14:37
- 200 of 268
RF .... you are correct, but Fred's post is interesting for all that.
The easy bit ..... the plague, which had regular outbreaks until about 1720 (in UK) i think, was spread by fleas ...... it follows that general and personal hygiene will discourage the flea's occurrence in the immediate environment - e.g. on the person and/or in the home.
Now to persecution ..... in the Middle Ages, the Jews were banned from practicing almost all trades in many countries so found themselves almost forced to take up money-lending - a bit simplified, but sufficient for the purpose.
At that time, many or even most Jews wore distinctive clothing, so were easily identified. In times of economic hardship, either personal or general, it was easier to "persecute the Jews" than to repay what was owed. For all that, it is somewhat ironic that after a while, the Jews were often invited back to those self-same countries, for they had all the right contacts etc for the raising of necessary funds.
The easy bit ..... the plague, which had regular outbreaks until about 1720 (in UK) i think, was spread by fleas ...... it follows that general and personal hygiene will discourage the flea's occurrence in the immediate environment - e.g. on the person and/or in the home.
Now to persecution ..... in the Middle Ages, the Jews were banned from practicing almost all trades in many countries so found themselves almost forced to take up money-lending - a bit simplified, but sufficient for the purpose.
At that time, many or even most Jews wore distinctive clothing, so were easily identified. In times of economic hardship, either personal or general, it was easier to "persecute the Jews" than to repay what was owed. For all that, it is somewhat ironic that after a while, the Jews were often invited back to those self-same countries, for they had all the right contacts etc for the raising of necessary funds.
Fred1new
- 09 Jul 2009 15:34
- 201 of 268
Cynic, Read http://www.avma.org/reference/zoonosis/znplague.asp
You will probably understand what I am getting at. Cleanliness or hygiene is useful, but the source is often the main problem. Clean kids going to school come back with scabies, lice, etc.. Washing does not prevent this.
The use of various herbs was attempted to prevent infestations. Rue being one of the herbs, which was placed as "flooring". The strange thing about Rue is it is quite a potent "allergen" and often causes skin rashes in gardeners.
Balerboy, you are of course writing about you own values?
You will probably understand what I am getting at. Cleanliness or hygiene is useful, but the source is often the main problem. Clean kids going to school come back with scabies, lice, etc.. Washing does not prevent this.
The use of various herbs was attempted to prevent infestations. Rue being one of the herbs, which was placed as "flooring". The strange thing about Rue is it is quite a potent "allergen" and often causes skin rashes in gardeners.
Balerboy, you are of course writing about you own values?
cynic
- 09 Jul 2009 15:39
- 202 of 268
rue was strewn on the floor for fragrance as much as anything else ...... and don't forget that cleanlinerss is next to godliness - lol!
spitfire43 - 09 Jul 2009 15:42 - 203 of 268
Or just unlucky and slipped on a banana skin ????
halifax - 09 Jul 2009 15:45 - 204 of 268
cynic why not stop trying to hide the facts Madoff is a self confessed thief who preyed on those of the same religious conviction, his victims include elderly people with not a great deal of knowledge of Wall Street. Madoff was ruthless from day one he exploited his jewish background and has stolen a huge amount of money. Trust is a fine thing but when it comes to money beware, in this case those who trusted Madoff because he is a jew were sadly mistaken.
required field - 09 Jul 2009 15:56 - 205 of 268
Fred1new...moi pompous ?..(sniggering giggles !..)....
cynic
- 09 Jul 2009 16:05
- 206 of 268
i give up! ...... you and some others have a fixation of BM being jewish, and thus create all sorts of erroneous associations ..... i truly cannot be bothered to re-post for the 3rd or 4th time as to why that so-called logic is flawed
Fred1new
- 09 Jul 2009 17:04
- 207 of 268
Have you smelt Rue?
PS, Wasn't BM fault he was Jewish! 8-)
PS, Wasn't BM fault he was Jewish! 8-)
cynic
- 09 Jul 2009 17:09
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yes .... we have it in our garden ..... it's like soap ..... fyi its allergen factor is more prevalent when it's sunny
Fred1new
- 09 Jul 2009 17:49
- 209 of 268
Cynic, Reaction is!
halifax - 09 Jul 2009 18:11 - 210 of 268
cynic the facts speak for themselves Madoff is a convicted fellon, he stole from his fellow jews having persuaded them he was trustworthy. They trusted him because he is a fellow jew, why do you persist in denying the facts.
Balerboy
- 09 Jul 2009 18:17
- 211 of 268
Fred, just stating a fact, you probably drive a car like the rest of us and in the past just like me probably had a larger than needed gas gussler, (I've had two very large american 60's cars) now we all economise and squeeze the last mile from a gallon of juice. But it doesn't stop you from investing in oil companies to make a gain. we're all out for something for nothing, including you. :))
tabasco - 09 Jul 2009 20:35 - 212 of 268
HalifaxCan you not understand that a thief does not have morals or scruplesthey just steal from the easiest targetsif BM had been asked to invest 5 milfrom a children's hospices fundhe would have taken the money and FCUKED OFF!!he would not have discriminated against non Jews any more than Reggie Kray would have had a second thought about tucking up any JewIm not here defending Jewsas I have had bad experiences as well as good with themand I certainly dont agree with their handling of Gaza I just cant believe the bollocks that has been written on this thread.having said that is not Sir Allen Stanford Jewish. Cynic?
cynic
- 09 Jul 2009 21:18
- 213 of 268
tabby .... thank you for injecting some common sense .... i felt very much like the Lone Ranger .... as for Stanford's ethnicity, i really have no idea at all, any more than i do about freddie flintoff's or ian botham's or richard ponting's
cynic
- 09 Jul 2009 21:30
- 214 of 268
Stanford
jewish? .... racing certainty that he was not .... indeed, his background suggests solid bible-bashing Texas christian .... but totally unimportant - of course!
after some very basic research - some very interesting reading there is too! ....... St. Jude Children's Research Hospital has been Stanford's corporate charity of choice ..... and also Libyan gov't apparently invested $500m in his companies .... clearly the marks of "one of the chosen people"!!
jewish? .... racing certainty that he was not .... indeed, his background suggests solid bible-bashing Texas christian .... but totally unimportant - of course!
after some very basic research - some very interesting reading there is too! ....... St. Jude Children's Research Hospital has been Stanford's corporate charity of choice ..... and also Libyan gov't apparently invested $500m in his companies .... clearly the marks of "one of the chosen people"!!
tabasco - 10 Jul 2009 08:17 - 215 of 268
Good morning alljust off to Suffolk/Norfolk...so know more posts for a few days.
Cynic You dont need to thank meover a long period of time you have shown yourself on this bb to be unequivocally honest and decant.that dont mean to say all Jews are lol
As you have researchedI will stand corrected on Stanford
My mistake simply highlights my previous commentany raceany religionany colour can be oneand a thief is not discriminatorythey will stitch anyone when an opportunity presents itself and without feeling or remorse!and I have met a few slippery characters Morning JKDI'm in trouble now!
Off piste.good luck today TFLBT
Toddle pip
Cynic You dont need to thank meover a long period of time you have shown yourself on this bb to be unequivocally honest and decant.that dont mean to say all Jews are lol
As you have researchedI will stand corrected on Stanford
My mistake simply highlights my previous commentany raceany religionany colour can be oneand a thief is not discriminatorythey will stitch anyone when an opportunity presents itself and without feeling or remorse!and I have met a few slippery characters Morning JKDI'm in trouble now!
Off piste.good luck today TFLBT
Toddle pip
Clubman3509
- 14 Jul 2009 18:57
- 216 of 268
Madoff starts prison sentence
By Grant McCool
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Bernard Madoff's prison life began on Tuesday, a long way from the luxury homes, sleek yachts and precious designer watches and clothes he accumulated in the years he ran Wall Street's biggest investment fraud.
Prison officials said the 71-year-old swindler checked into the Butner Federal Correctional Complex in North Carolina, where two other well-known white collar criminals, a convicted spy and a convicted bomb plotter are incarcerated.
The disgraced New York financier arrived on Tuesday morning in a prison van after being moved from a jail cell in his home city and then temporarily to a federal prison in Atlanta, a prisons spokeswoman said.
Federal Bureau of Prisons spokeswoman Linda Thomas confirmed that the prison, 45 miles northwest of Raleigh, North Carolina, was Madoff's final destination to serve the effective life sentence he received on June 29 for bilking thousands of investors from all walks of life.
A judge sentenced him to a total of 150 years on several criminal charges, including securities fraud, money laundering and perjury for a Ponzi scheme amounting to as much as $65 billion worldwide over about 20 years. A Ponzi scheme is one in which early investors are paid with money from new clients.
Madoff has spent the last four months in the Manhattan Correctional Centre next door to the courthouse where he pleaded guilty in March. He was arrested by the FBI in December after confessing to his two sons that he was a fraud.
PRISON CLOTHES
At the 3,400-inmate prison, Madoff will wear prison-issued clothing, initially be in isolation and then have a cell mate, according to those who have served time in the U.S. system. He will earn pennies a day doing menial work.
Other white-collar criminals at Butner are former Adelphia Communications executives John Rigas, 84, due for release in 2018, and his 53-year-old son, Timothy, whose term ends in 2022, according to official records.
Jonathan Pollard, an American convicted of spying for Israel, is also housed at the facility, which has several levels of security. A blind Egyptian cleric, Omar Abdel-Rahman, was moved to Butner two years ago after being sentenced to life in 1995 for a plot to bomb New York landmarks and assassinate Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.
Once Madoff is settled into his new surroundings, his wife of 45 years, Ruth, will be allowed to visit him. The prison is an eight-hour drive from New York and it is not the one requested by his lawyer.
He had asked Madoff be sent a medium-security prison in Otisville, New York, about 70 miles northwest of New York City, but the bureau of prisons decides where convicts go.
On July 2, Ruth Madoff gave up the couple's luxury $7 million Manhattan penthouse apartment and its valuable contents, with proceeds eventually going to defrauded investors.
Under an agreement with U.S. prosecutors, Ruth Madoff was allowed to keep $2.5 million in cash, but she and her husband were ordered to forfeit everything else they owned, including other homes, yachts and jewellery.
cynic
- 14 Jul 2009 19:06
- 217 of 268
but will they ever find the offshore stuff and loot that that has placed with "friends"? ...... not much chance of that
halifax - 15 Jul 2009 16:02 - 218 of 268
Watch CNBC tonight 23.00hrs CET and you might find out how Madoff cheated his victims.
cynic
- 15 Jul 2009 16:05
- 219 of 268
oh we all know the how ..... it's not that difficult for it also self-generates ..... almost like pyramid selling
halifax - 15 Jul 2009 16:08 - 220 of 268
cynic you think you know all the answers... watch and learn.
cynic
- 15 Jul 2009 16:25
- 221 of 268
got better things to do ..... i know very well how to get conned!
halifax - 15 Jul 2009 17:02 - 222 of 268
cynic its not about you, its about the many decent people being cheated out of their life savings.
cynic
- 15 Jul 2009 17:16
- 223 of 268
yeah yeah yeah .... you are very repetitive ..... do you want to get the fact he's jewish off your chest again too? ..... must be like coughing up phlegm!
we all know lots about BM and his MO was not original either .... the only major surprise was arguably the quantum and that he got away with it for 20 years ..... it should be a surprise that SEC did not shut him down 10 years ago when it had all the necessary evidence - but of course it is no surprise at all that they failed to act at all
we all know lots about BM and his MO was not original either .... the only major surprise was arguably the quantum and that he got away with it for 20 years ..... it should be a surprise that SEC did not shut him down 10 years ago when it had all the necessary evidence - but of course it is no surprise at all that they failed to act at all
halifax - 15 Jul 2009 17:20 - 224 of 268
cynic you seem to have a "hang up" because Madoff is a jew and cheated many jews out of their life savings. Do you have some sort of a guilt complex?
cynic
- 15 Jul 2009 17:30
- 225 of 268
why should I? ...... do you have some sort of repetitive syndrome? ...... as i have said many times before, BM is not the first and assuredly will not be the last ..... as always, many small fish get badly hurt or even ruined, though in this instance, a surprisingly large number of high profile individuals and charities also got chomped ..... a prog on the story is cheap to produce and will bring a high viewing audience (not me ... wouldn't watch anyway, but off to hospital visit) but will not actually make any difference
halifax - 15 Jul 2009 18:09 - 226 of 268
cynic that's where you are wrong the CNBC programme will make a difference by making ordinary people more aware of what to look out for when they are being persuaded to trust others with their hard earned savings. Can't understand why you persist in defending Madoff by suggesting it is alright for "small fish" to be ruined.
required field - 15 Jul 2009 19:59 - 227 of 268
Madoff is a serious criminal and we musn't forget the poor victims of his wrong doings....honest hard working people people, some who have trust millions of dollars with this guy....crikey : imagine losing 2 or 3 million dollars in investment...your life savings..if I was Madoff : I would watch out....somebody will murder him in prison !.
cynic
- 15 Jul 2009 22:18
- 228 of 268
i love the way you guys choose to distort what i write to suit your own premise ..... you must be employed by the "red tops"
Clubman3509
- 16 Jul 2009 07:15
- 229 of 268
Jews do not like being ****** especially by one of their own, it goes against their upbringing of ***** every one else.
Edited by MoneyAM
Edited by MoneyAM
cynic
- 16 Jul 2009 08:17
- 230 of 268
and the rabbit's up and running again
halifax - 16 Jul 2009 10:24 - 231 of 268
cynic more like a rat we all know you love to have the last word on every thread.
cynic
- 16 Jul 2009 10:28
- 232 of 268
i've said my piece, and i'll leave you guys to rabbit on with your own "interesting" perceptions and purblind prejudices on the iniquity of the jews and similar
halifax - 16 Jul 2009 12:43 - 233 of 268
cynic it cerrtainly makes a change for you not to have the last word!
Clubman3509
- 16 Jul 2009 12:53
- 234 of 268
Maybe he has gone to the Synagogue
IanT(MoneyAM)
- 16 Jul 2009 14:30
- 235 of 268
I have issued a warning on this thread before and I expect the code of conduct to be adhered to. Any further transgressions by anyone will result in the removal of that users access to these bulletin boards.
Big Al
- 16 Jul 2009 15:06
- 236 of 268
It's always interesting to visit a thread IanT has posted on during the day. ;-0
A shame it's got personal, because Madoff is actually only the worst example of what all brokers, banks, etc had done recently to create the hole the world is in. Many others should be following him IMO.
A shame it's got personal, because Madoff is actually only the worst example of what all brokers, banks, etc had done recently to create the hole the world is in. Many others should be following him IMO.
cynic
- 16 Jul 2009 15:12
- 237 of 268
ah, but you miss the point entirely ...... he's of a "certain persuasion" and that gives him a double portion of horns and worse - lol!
Big Al
- 16 Jul 2009 15:17
- 238 of 268
They're all the bloody same from where I'm sitting, cynic. LOL! Shoot the b*****ds! ;-))))))))))))
cynic
- 16 Jul 2009 15:23
- 239 of 268
apparently only being buried at the x-roads with a stake through the heart would work in this instance
Big Al
- 16 Jul 2009 15:24
- 240 of 268
Might need a silver bullet then. LOL!
Fred1new
- 16 Jul 2009 15:27
- 241 of 268
Cynic, you are not admitting guilt for him?Are you?
I think it best to put my oar to dry again.
8-)
I think it best to put my oar to dry again.
8-)
Big Al
- 16 Jul 2009 15:50
- 242 of 268
I think we're all secretly jealous we never thought up the scam first. LOL!
halifax - 16 Jul 2009 16:00 - 243 of 268
Big Al how clever do you have to be to be a thief, what has happened to a lot of people who have lost all their savings is not funny.
tabasco - 16 Jul 2009 16:05 - 244 of 268
Halifaxit is to the thick little Scot
cynic
- 16 Jul 2009 16:06
- 245 of 268
now now ...... he isn't one of the "chosen" so you have to be nice to him
tabasco - 16 Jul 2009 16:30 - 246 of 268
Cynichow well do you know him?
6925 Tabatha - I wont to see some folk take the pain, you included. It shouldve been obvious even to a dimwit like youreferring to investors of MDX losing their money because of a corrupt BODcurrently being investigated and with their assets frozen
6925 Tabatha - I wont to see some folk take the pain, you included. It shouldve been obvious even to a dimwit like youreferring to investors of MDX losing their money because of a corrupt BODcurrently being investigated and with their assets frozen
cynic
- 16 Jul 2009 16:35
- 247 of 268
only by abuse!
halifax - 16 Jul 2009 16:48 - 248 of 268
cynic you couldn't resist coming back to try to defend the indefensible. Madoff is a thief who used his position in the jewish community to steal from his fellow jews, if that is not the lowest form of human behavior we don't know what is.If you think what he did was acceptable then your judgement is sadly impaired.
cynic
- 16 Jul 2009 16:53
- 249 of 268
oh dear - ROTFL ..... you stick with your illogical prejudices - guess by definition that has to be so - but never apply for a job that requires objective appraisal
halifax - 16 Jul 2009 16:57 - 250 of 268
cynic so you think Madoff did nothing wrong, others see him residing in jail where he belongs. We wouldn't want to do busines with those who think his actions could in any way be justified.
Big Al
- 16 Jul 2009 16:58
- 251 of 268
halifax
My understanding, which may or may not be full, is that many threw all their eggs in one basket. It's hard to have complete sympathy for these folk. Unfortunately Madoff is but one of many who have done the same to varying degrees. They're all thiefs of one type or another, but people with money in there did so under their own steam. Long live capitalism, eh?
Serious question - I didn't take you as someone who would be so wound up by this. Any particular reason?
Here's a Kleenex, J Bravo Esq. ;-0 Only 1 previous owner.
My understanding, which may or may not be full, is that many threw all their eggs in one basket. It's hard to have complete sympathy for these folk. Unfortunately Madoff is but one of many who have done the same to varying degrees. They're all thiefs of one type or another, but people with money in there did so under their own steam. Long live capitalism, eh?
Serious question - I didn't take you as someone who would be so wound up by this. Any particular reason?
Here's a Kleenex, J Bravo Esq. ;-0 Only 1 previous owner.
halifax - 16 Jul 2009 17:02 - 252 of 268
Big Al still taking the p**s what Madoff did has already caused some to commit suicide, many elderly people have lost their life savings ... do you find that funny?
cynic
- 16 Jul 2009 17:04
- 253 of 268
because he hates the fact that i keep telling him he lacks any proper logic and that the only unusual aspect of this case was the longevity of the scam, greatly enhanced by SEC's failure to cat.
he (and his pal Clubman) also has an absurd fixation with MB's ethnicity which colours virtually every post
he (and his pal Clubman) also has an absurd fixation with MB's ethnicity which colours virtually every post
Clubman3509
- 16 Jul 2009 17:07
- 254 of 268
Can I get odds on Cynic being the first to be banned from the board.
tabasco - 16 Jul 2009 17:11 - 255 of 268
In two words HalifaxHe does
Big Al
- 16 Jul 2009 17:13
- 256 of 268
halifax
I don't find it particularly funny anyone losing money, but many had all their eggs in one basket. I find that sad, but the truth is they did that because of greed as Madoff boasted the greatest returns. Spread your risk. You know that. I do find it hard to have total sympathy for greedy people.
Why are you so vehement on this? You have never struck me as so "volatile", for want of a better expression. Do you know someone who has committed suicide due to losses on Madoff's fund?
I don't find it particularly funny anyone losing money, but many had all their eggs in one basket. I find that sad, but the truth is they did that because of greed as Madoff boasted the greatest returns. Spread your risk. You know that. I do find it hard to have total sympathy for greedy people.
Why are you so vehement on this? You have never struck me as so "volatile", for want of a better expression. Do you know someone who has committed suicide due to losses on Madoff's fund?
halifax - 16 Jul 2009 17:14 - 257 of 268
cynic again that is your misguided opinion, facts tell you that the vast majority of Madoff's victims are from the jewish community. If you can't accept that then you are in denial.
cynic
- 16 Jul 2009 22:11
- 258 of 268
yawn! ...... true, but you still miss the point entirely ...... seem to have written pretty much the same a few times
jkd - 16 Jul 2009 22:51 - 259 of 268
Madoff is a human being who commited terrible offences to other human beings.and for a long time. that is shocking and disgraceful. thats it as far as i am concerned regarding all the other stuff that is being spouted,that is all immaterial.he would have still done it anyway regardless.thats who he is, thats who we all are, a human being. end,
regards
jkd
edit in the hope that my statement will not be misread or misinterpreted please read
'thats what we all are' for, thats Who we all are,i,e, human beings,
regards
jkd
edit in the hope that my statement will not be misread or misinterpreted please read
'thats what we all are' for, thats Who we all are,i,e, human beings,
ptholden
- 16 Jul 2009 22:52
- 260 of 268
Actually Clubman, I would think you're the odds on favourite, judging from your bigoted, reprehensible racist posts. However, you have found a friend in Tabbytwat who is equally racist (judging by his support of a not very much lamented banned racist poster).
Halifax, why on earth do you keep banging on about the Jewish element of this fraud? Surely, it's time to let it rest?
Halifax, why on earth do you keep banging on about the Jewish element of this fraud? Surely, it's time to let it rest?
cynic
- 17 Jul 2009 07:32
- 261 of 268
thank you to the "chosen few" (lol) who actually post some sense - which of course(!) support with my own postings
Fred1new
- 24 Jul 2009 15:39
- 262 of 268
Any links between Madoff and New Jersey. Perhaps that is where some of the money went!
Fred1new
- 25 Jul 2009 16:42
- 263 of 268
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1201966/Rabbis-mayors-44-New-Jersey-officials-arrested-money-laundering-trafficking-handbags--human-kidneys.html;jsessionid=D5D120E18721FBB2458180322D8AFC7F
Big Al
- 26 Jul 2009 20:23
- 264 of 268
It's a bit like scalping in the old westerns.
Who was it taught how to scalp? Yep. da white dudes!!!! ;-0
Who was it taught how to scalp? Yep. da white dudes!!!! ;-0
Clubman3509
- 29 Jul 2009 20:21
- 265 of 268
Madoff trustee sues Ruth Madoff
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The wife of imprisoned swindler Bernard Madoff was sued on Wednesday by the trustee recovering money for investors defrauded in Wall Street's biggest investment fraud, court documents showed.
The lawsuit said at least $44.8 million (27.3 million) "was subject to recapture" from Ruth Madoff, who has been married to the former investment adviser and trader for 49 years.
Court-appointed trustee Irving Picard said of that amount, she received at least $23.7 million directly or indirectly from Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC, the firm he is winding down.
"For decades, Mrs. Madoff lived a life of splendour using the money of BLMIS's customers," the trustee said in the filing in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in New York. "Regardless of whether or not Mrs Madoff knew of the fraud her husband perpetrated ... she received tens of millions of dollars from BLMIS."
Madoff is serving a 150-year prison sentence in Butner, North Carolina, for a fraud U.S. prosecutors estimated at as much as $65 billion over at least two decades.
(Reporting by Grant McCool, editing by Gerald E. McCormick)
Well done, the bitch should be in jail with her husband and so should most of his family. Let's hope they end up skint.
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The wife of imprisoned swindler Bernard Madoff was sued on Wednesday by the trustee recovering money for investors defrauded in Wall Street's biggest investment fraud, court documents showed.
The lawsuit said at least $44.8 million (27.3 million) "was subject to recapture" from Ruth Madoff, who has been married to the former investment adviser and trader for 49 years.
Court-appointed trustee Irving Picard said of that amount, she received at least $23.7 million directly or indirectly from Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC, the firm he is winding down.
"For decades, Mrs. Madoff lived a life of splendour using the money of BLMIS's customers," the trustee said in the filing in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in New York. "Regardless of whether or not Mrs Madoff knew of the fraud her husband perpetrated ... she received tens of millions of dollars from BLMIS."
Madoff is serving a 150-year prison sentence in Butner, North Carolina, for a fraud U.S. prosecutors estimated at as much as $65 billion over at least two decades.
(Reporting by Grant McCool, editing by Gerald E. McCormick)
Well done, the bitch should be in jail with her husband and so should most of his family. Let's hope they end up skint.
cynic
- 29 Jul 2009 20:23
- 266 of 268
they probably will ..... BM could not conceivably have been working on his own
Fred1new
- 29 Jul 2009 21:21
- 267 of 268
Clubman, do you know her personally?
Clubman3509
- 30 Jul 2009 06:53
- 268 of 268
No to your question Fred
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