required field
- 28 Apr 2010 22:41
Anybody any idea who's going to form the next government ?...
required field
- 28 Apr 2010 22:43
- 2 of 226
I'm saying one thing : I'd have the troops destroying drug crops if I was the prem !....
Camelot
- 28 Apr 2010 23:39
- 3 of 226
It must be 50/50 that we have a second election in the autumn
unless conservatives win outright majority of 20+
required field
- 29 Apr 2010 08:41
- 4 of 226
Let's hope they do, because at the moment we have criminals in power....and the liberals would just tax everybody heavily....
cynic
- 29 Apr 2010 08:54
- 5 of 226
it is slowly becoming more likely that cons (well-named) will squeeze a small overall majority.
having watched the whole of the GB drama of yesterday, i confess i agree with the woman ..... i did not find her comments remotely bigoted ..... like many or even most of us in this country, she is fed up with hoardes of immigrants pouring in with little control, and even less being done to remove them if they overstay or worse still, when they seriously offend ...... you're afraid of what will happen to you if you get sent back? ...... then live within the law!
2517GEORGE
- 29 Apr 2010 09:02
- 6 of 226
Just posted this on another thread, didn't see this one until after posting.
If there was any doubt what our unelected leader, and many of his close cabinet colleagues thought, of the millions of ordinary hard working people of this country, then those doubts have surely been dispelled now. The arrogance of the man beggars belief. Too many of labours hierachy have shown their contempt for the very people they rely on to put them in power again, and power is what they crave.
2517
required field
- 29 Apr 2010 09:06
- 7 of 226
Labour have just lost it, none of them have a clue of how to manage this country. Their idea is to have a 5% so-called ultra rich elite.....paying bugger all in taxes.....millions of muppets that will vote for them as long as they get a couple of hundred pounds given to them...single mums and all that lot....and everbody else : the middle class (what's left of it) taxed up to the eyebrows !.
required field
- 29 Apr 2010 09:16
- 8 of 226
Talking of immigrants :.....Edgeware road ( North London) is starting to look like a middle east slum now....crazy !....with those turkish smoking things on stands all over the place....
required field
- 29 Apr 2010 09:34
- 9 of 226
(Sorry to sound a bit over the top), but that's how I feel ....
mitzy
- 29 Apr 2010 10:55
- 10 of 226
Tories to win by40 seats.
required field
- 29 Apr 2010 11:05
- 11 of 226
A year ago, I was convinced that it would be a Tory landslide....it's that guy with the east end gangster name again that's taking away votes...grrrr....
Clubman3509
- 29 Apr 2010 11:22
- 12 of 226
The one eyed Scottish twit no doubt. Can you imagine that pussy Clegg trying to get his point over at any International meeting. Cameron talks a good game but is a typical public schoolboy, and we know what they get up to.
I would vote labour if they made Mandy Prime Minister, gay he maybe but he takes no shit.
halifax
- 29 Apr 2010 11:44
- 13 of 226
labour thought they could generate more votes by letting millions of immigrants into England but they have made the classic mistake of ignoring the adverse effect this has had on their core voters. The conservatives have made the same mistake in the past by cosying up too much to minority groups and losing some of their traditional support to opposition parties.
Camelot
- 29 Apr 2010 15:28
- 14 of 226
If you wish to bet on an overall majority, the latest odds are 7/4 Conservatives at
bet365 and 20/1 Labour at Paddy Power with a hung parliament now just 1/2 with
Skybet .
Camelot
- 29 Apr 2010 15:32
- 15 of 226
odds for most seats
cons 1/6
lab 5/1
lib 16/1
mitzy
- 29 Apr 2010 15:53
- 16 of 226
PaddyPower have Tories winning by at least 50 seats.
hilary
- 29 Apr 2010 16:31
- 17 of 226
hilary
- 29 Apr 2010 16:33
- 18 of 226
Ahead of tonight's BBC leaders debate in Birmingham, the Conservatives are back in the hunt, according to both the ComRes polling and Betfair betting markets.
Betfair Predicts: Hung Parliament, Conservatives Dominant Party
Con: 316
Lab: 214
Lib Dem:92
Other: 28
Latest Betfair Predictions: (Odds in brackets)
To win an overall majority: 56% (4-5) Hung Parliament, 41% (6-4) Conservatives, 2% (39-1) Labour, 1% (79-1) Lib Dem
To win most seats: 72% (1-5) Conservatives, 13% (7-1) Labour , 5% (21-1) Lib Dem
ComRes Predicts: Hung Parliament, Conservatives Dominant Party
Con: 282
Lab: 259
Lib Dem: 77
Other: 32
Latest ComRes Poll: (Taken 28/4/10)
Con: 36%
Lab: 29%
Lib Dem: 26%
Other: 9%
hilary
- 29 Apr 2010 16:34
- 19 of 226
cynic
- 29 Apr 2010 16:52
- 20 of 226
for RF
and as for all those damn jews cluttering up st john's wood and golders green and hampstead!!!!
why can't they be shipped to palestine where they belong?
halifax
- 29 Apr 2010 16:57
- 21 of 226
cynic are you trying to play the race card as a last desperate move to support brown!
partridge
- 29 Apr 2010 17:44
- 22 of 226
Gordon Brown's last chance tonight and although I consider him an unctuous, pompous and arrogant man, whose true character was revealed yesterday, I do think he did the right thing when the banking crisis came to a head - the taxpayer may do very well out of its stakes in RBS and Lloyds in time, although I hope not before Brown and Co are shown the door.
cynic
- 29 Apr 2010 18:09
- 23 of 226
absolutely!
anyway, bradford and several other fine cities would become but ghost towns without their immigrant populations
2517GEORGE
- 29 Apr 2010 18:25
- 24 of 226
partridge, meanwhile thousands of businesses and individuals are going bankrupt because of the banks' unwillingness to lend, or calling in their loans. True the taxpayer may well benefit over a period of time, (provided GB's spending wasters don't get their hands on the money). I have no idea what the right call was, whether letting a bank fail (HBOS) or the action they took, time I suppose will tell if their actions eventually pay off for the taxpayer.
cynic are you related to chemical ali?
2517
cynic
- 29 Apr 2010 18:36
- 25 of 226
he's my first cousin and brother of toxic tania
partridge
- 29 Apr 2010 19:13
- 26 of 226
2517 - I think if HBOS and/or RBS had been allowed to fail there would have been queues outside every bank and complete financial chaos, maybe even a return to barter. For too long the banks lent money too freely and borrowers were greedy - the pendulum was bound to swing the other way eventually. Fault imo on behalf of both lenders and borrowers acting irresponsibly, with regulators lamentable in their supervision. We are already seeing the return to significant profitability within the banking sector, most certainly helped by forcing unrealistic margin increases on borrowers who now have no alternatives, but no doubt all political parties see windfall return for the Treasury as a result - justifiably imo.
Camelot
- 30 Apr 2010 08:08
- 27 of 226
The Lib Dems were more pointed. "Brown is a dead man walking", said one. "He was trying to defend the indefensible and he didn't even do that very well."
In the spin room, the Tories were already making mischief, spreading a story that Alastair Campbell had been heard saying: "That's it, we're done for". Campbell denied it, via Twitter, of course. "Tories desperate. Some lowly spin doc heard me telling security man Burnley had had it.
Burnley ?
lol
2517GEORGE
- 30 Apr 2010 08:35
- 28 of 226
partridge - HBOS was an accident waiting to happen, unfortunately for Lloyds they were 'encouraged' to take them over, RBS paid way over the odds for ABN. You are absolutely right of course that both lenders and borrowers were irresponsible and the regulation non existant. Profitability is returning at the expense of borrowers (as you say), I feel that there are still many 'toxic' secrets lurking in the banks vaults, commercial property, credit card debt, and when interest rates start to rise many borderline mortgages will fall into default. I hope I'm wrong.
2517
Clubman3509
- 30 Apr 2010 08:45
- 29 of 226
Better to send them to New York as it is allready known as Jew York
required field
- 30 Apr 2010 08:48
- 30 of 226
So, who won last night if I can put it that way ?...apart from Fulham and Atletico Madrid....
cynic
- 30 Apr 2010 10:00
- 31 of 226
in the early 20th century, during a period of vicious polish pogroms, many jews who had bought passage to NY were dumped in L'pool or similar ...... not surprisingly, it took them a while to relaise they had been duped.
required field
- 30 Apr 2010 10:52
- 32 of 226
Ref Cynic.....it must be a dream job for a Palestinian to get a job as a traffic warden up in West Hampstead-Golders Green !...
required field
- 30 Apr 2010 10:59
- 33 of 226
And another ticket !.....he..he...he..
Clubman3509
- 30 Apr 2010 12:04
- 34 of 226
Are traffic wardens racist. My brother in law is a traffic policeman and he is racist, he and his fellow policemen play a game to see who is the first on the day to give a ticket to a black person, driving a black car. There is a bonus if it is a black BMW X5
Camelot
- 30 Apr 2010 13:21
- 35 of 226
let's cut out this racist chatter eh lads ?
required field
- 30 Apr 2010 19:45
- 36 of 226
The problem is talking about immigration can turn nasty if people are not careful....but I think that most people including the politicians agree that immigration is completely out of hand in this country and has to be addressed seriously.....once somebody has got into this country there are hardly any checks whatsoever to see if they are allowed to remain here....the way it works is this : Mr X......(we'll call him mr x)....couldn't call him mr pink could we ?....why me mr pink ?....hey ! I'll be mr purple or you can be me pink.....hhhh...., sorry going off track here...reminds me of some film...can't quite remember....anyway..euhhh back to the plot.....Mr X sets up shop in this country...everything hunkydory....nothing wrong, gone throught all the legal immigration paperwork, but the rest of the family including twenty or so cousins all want to come here as well...this is where the problem starts : we can't let everybody in, so Mr X gets these people in one way or another, he pays all the bills...council tax, electricity and all the rest and the other lot pay him....no checks, nothing, so you have one person entitled to live here whilst twenty others who are not live with him as well...and nobody bothers.....the bottom line is that there must be more controls over these issues !...
2517GEORGE
- 30 Apr 2010 20:44
- 37 of 226
rf--What I hear from the Lib Dems they don't think it's out of hand, NC wants to open the floodgates, and GB.... well doesn't matter what he says, he thinks nothing of changing his mind ---(he says politely),---- and besides on whose watch was it that we're in this predicament (just the immigration predicament for now chaps, I do want to be home for the bank holiday) where our hospitals, schools, housing and other infrastructure is not geared up to deal with so many immigrants. I have to look into a crystal ball to ascertain when I am likely to require a visit to the doctors' surgery, just to make an appointment.
2517
required field
- 30 Apr 2010 20:51
- 38 of 226
Then....we have to put a stop.....this an anglo-saxon country....we cannot accommodate half the third world here, and to me the european charter should never have been signed, bonkers : all the eec can come here and set up shop but how many of us are going to go for example to east europe to work...very few..........too much red tape coupled with politicians not prepared to stick their neck out for fear of not getting elected....
In The Land of the B
- 30 Apr 2010 21:51
- 39 of 226
If Gordon Brown gets in again, I'm escaping to to a sodden hovel in Eastern Poland.
Dil
- 01 May 2010 02:19
- 40 of 226
"I have to look into a crystal ball to ascertain when I am likely to require a visit to the doctors' surgery, just to make an appointment."
Better buy a bigger one if the Tories win as they are gonna cut the NHS budget and cap immigration (hows that work then cos in theory the whole of the EU could move here if someone nuked them) and if we banned Indians there would be no bloody doctors round here at all :-)
Personally I would throw all the English out of Wales but find myself unable to vote for Plaid Cymru as 1)I can't understand them (like 90% of Wales) and 2) I like some of you :-)
This thread is hysterical.
Regards
Dai Levi Abdullah Rastas Mohammed Jones
Camelot
- 01 May 2010 10:45
- 41 of 226
it seems to me it should be quite easy to save a great deal of money by just cutting
out a lot of unnecessary labour expenditure
quangos as well
here is a list of govt depts; take your pick
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/dl1/directories/a-zofcentralgovernment/index.htm
required field
- 04 May 2010 08:52
- 42 of 226
Politicians popping up all over the place in the next few days....promises, baby kissing, the lot in the next few days.....yuck....
2517GEORGE
- 04 May 2010 09:11
- 43 of 226
Camelot, apparently around 85billion pounds a year is spent on quangos, so there has to be savings to be made within a budget that size.
2517
Camelot
- 04 May 2010 09:14
- 44 of 226
RF , they really all look the same
required field
- 04 May 2010 09:59
- 45 of 226
Wonderful active cartoon Camelot,....amazing....
Camelot
- 04 May 2010 14:49
- 46 of 226
(Reuters) - Gordon Brown is the worst leader Britain has ever had, an election candidate standing for Brown's own Labour Party said on Tuesday.
Camelot
- 04 May 2010 14:52
- 47 of 226
strictly against Labour party rules
I am beginning to think they are running scared of what the Tories will find when they can examine Gordons books
a sleight of hand here, a lie there and PFI everywhere
Welsh Secretary Peter Hain said Labour voters in specific districts where the party's candidate had no chance of winning should "vote with their heads, not their hearts", even if that meant backing a Liberal Democrat to keep a Conservative out.
halifax
- 04 May 2010 15:17
- 48 of 226
Paddy Power has paid out already on all bets on the Tories to win the most seats in the election.
cynic
- 04 May 2010 20:05
- 49 of 226
my view is that cons will get in with a small overall majority probably <10
halifax
- 04 May 2010 20:28
- 50 of 226
Brown's last desperate throw of the dice urging all voters to vote against the tories in marginal seats where the tories look possible winners.
required field
- 04 May 2010 21:47
- 51 of 226
Well, I hope that being on the brink of a new government will hope the markets....what a dive today.....
cynic
- 04 May 2010 22:22
- 52 of 226
best you can hope for tomorrow is steady status quo
Master RSI
- 05 May 2010 11:17
- 53 of 226
who's going to win ?.
How much is true about migrants adding votes to the LABOUR party?
I would not trust GB on doing that, neither on the large debt of the country or give in to the single mothers for this case.
The Government has been accused of pursuing a secret policy of encouraging mass immigration for its own political ends.
By Tom Whitehead, Home Affairs Editor - Published: 10:00PM GMT 09 Feb 2010
Voting trends indicate that migrants and their descendants are much more likely to vote Labour Photo: PA The release of a previously unseen document suggested that Labours migration policy over the past decade had been aimed not just at meeting the countrys economic needs, but also the Governments social objectives.
The paper said migration would enhance economic growth and made clear that trying to halt or reverse it could be economically damaging. But it also stated that immigration had general benefits and that a new policy framework was needed to maximise the contribution of migration to the Governments wider social aims.
However, the paper, which was written in 2000 at a time when immigration began to increase dramatically, said controls were contrary to its policy objectives and could lead to social exclusion.
Last night, the Conservatives demanded an independent inquiry into the issue. It was alleged that the document showed that Labour had overseen a deliberate open-door policy on immigration to boost multi-culturalism.
Voting trends indicate that migrants and their descendants are much more likely to vote Labour.
The existence of the draft policy paper, which was drawn up by a Cabinet Office think tank and a Home Office research unit, was disclosed last year by Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.
He alleged at the time that the sharp increase in immigration over the past 10 years was partly due to a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multi-cultural.
However, the full document was made public only yesterday following a Freedom of Information request by Migrationwatch, a pressure group. A version of the paper was published in 2001, but most of the references to social objectives had been removed. In the executive summary alone, six out of eight uses of the phrase were deleted.
Labour has overseen an unprecedented rise in immigration, which has led to a rise of about three million in the UK population since 1997. Until recently, it accused opponents who called for tougher controls of playing the race card. Labour was forced to change its rhetoric amid concerns that the economic and social reality of immigration had alienated voters in its heartlands.
Gordon Brown pledged to secure British jobs for British workers as the recession led to a rise in unemployment and, just four months ago, he was accused of a U-turn when he insisted that it was not racist to discuss the issue.
The document released yesterday suggested that Labour originally pursued a different direction. It was published under the title Migration: an economic and social analysis but the removal of significant extracts suggested that officials or ministers were nervous over references to social objectives.
The original paper called for the need of a new framework for thinking about migration policy but the concluding phrase if we are to maximise the contribution of migration to the Governments economic and social objectives was edited out.
Another deleted phrase suggested that it was correct that the Government has both economic and social objectives for migration policy.
Sir Andrew Green, the chairman of Migrationwatch, said the document showed that Mr Neather, who claimed ministers wanted to radically change the country and rub the Rights nose in diversity, had been correct in his account of Labours immigration policy.
Labour had a political agenda which they sought to conceal for initiating mass immigration to Britain, he said. Why else would they be so anxious to remove any mention of social aspects?
Only now that their working-class supporters are deserting them in droves have they started to talk about restricting immigration.
Damian Green, the shadow immigration minister, accused the Government of having a secret policy. This shows that Labours open-door immigration policy was deliberate, and ministers should apologise, he said. This makes it all the more important that there is a proper independent inquiry in the origins of this policy and whether ministers have been deceiving people.
Jack Straw, who was home secretary when the paper was drawn up, has adamantly denied any secret plot and insisted that he had been tough on immigration.
Phil Woolas, the Immigration Minister, said the policy changes introduced in the 1997-2001 Parliament toughened immigration rules. The reports confirm there is no evidence to back the idea there was an open-door policy, he said. The Government was criticised at the time for tightening the policy.
Alan Johnson, the Home Secretary, will announce today moves to make it harder to earn citizenship.
cynic
- 05 May 2010 11:24
- 54 of 226
what a load of crap ..... the paper referred to was written 10 years ago!
this sort of nonsense relies on most peeps inability to read beyond the headline
halifax
- 05 May 2010 12:37
- 55 of 226
cynic of course immigrants legal or otherwise will vote labour they dont bite the hand that feeds them.
cynic
- 05 May 2010 12:45
- 56 of 226
from where did you glean that garbage? ..... your mother's lap?
if they're illegal, they can't vote anyway; many immigrants (and others) will not vote because they can't be bothered or some other reason; does your catch-all also include those immigrants who came in several decades ago?; does your same logic apply to immigrants who came in under previous tory governments?
ahoj
- 05 May 2010 13:26
- 57 of 226
They are all the same, looking for ruling the country.
None of them addressed isues we are facing in pactical term, just talking talks.
NHS is being misused by many foreigners from Europe and Asia. They get free treatment, some costly like cancer and Aids, in the UK but we have to have private insurance if we travel or work in any country in the world. Why should we pay for foreigners to get treated here?
and many other issues like this.
cynic
- 05 May 2010 13:50
- 58 of 226
private insurance if we trevel or work in any country in the world.
certainly not true if you travel within eu, nor probably if working
if travelling further afield, then for sure take insurance if you do not already have - and what's wrong with that?
They are all the same, looking for ruling the country.
and what else would expect any political party anywhere in the world to be seeking?
halifax
- 05 May 2010 14:24
- 59 of 226
cynic we seem to have hit a nerve with you. Of course illegal immigrants can vote all they need is an address and lie about their nationality.
cynic
- 05 May 2010 14:43
- 60 of 226
i just get seriously fed up with some of the stupid comment and assertions ...... it reminds me of some of the truly unbelievably bizarre nonsense and blind prejudices i have heard during the course of my life
i rather forlornly hoped that the peeps who inhabit these boards were rather more educated and thoughtful
i also have my doubts that you are correct about the ease of registering on the electoral roll ..... if you are indeed correct, then (a) few illegals would have the remotest interest and (b) they would be justifiably nervous of the trouble that would likely follow if they did enrol
halifax
- 05 May 2010 15:27
- 61 of 226
cynic you are so naive aren't you aware the police are investigating numerous cases of electoral fraud involving the registration of people selling votes and then moving on.
cynic
- 05 May 2010 15:46
- 62 of 226
i had heard they do that in iraq and afghanistan too, so the yorkshire constituencies are not alone!
to make one iota of difference here, there would have be thousands and thousands of such instances, and of course the instigators would then have to ensure that their stooges voted as instructed ..... perhaps they would escort them to the polling station with an uzi to their heads - or even threaten them with an old and cold pork pie
halifax
- 05 May 2010 15:50
- 63 of 226
cynic more naivety they use postal votes and forge signnatures, one example last night it was reported that over 5000 voters registered for postal votes in Tower Hamlets in the past couple of weeks.
cynic
- 05 May 2010 16:03
- 64 of 226
that's a safe labour seat anyway (cons target #103) ..... must be george galloway trying to rustle up some votes
Camelot
- 05 May 2010 20:41
- 65 of 226
next shadow leader
David Miliband 40% 10 wins 25
Alistair Darling 33% 10 wins 33
Harriet Harman 30% 10 wins 30
Ed Balls 22.22% 10 wins 45
Alan Johnson 16% 10 wins 62
Jack Straw 10% 10 wins 100
Peter Mandelson 9% 10 wins 111
2517GEORGE
- 06 May 2010 08:33
- 66 of 226
I will be surprised if Ed Balls hangs on to his seat, and with luck most of the above will lose theirs as well.
2517
required field
- 06 May 2010 08:34
- 67 of 226
Is this the day when we get rid of 13 years of labour muppets....can't believe it ....I suppose you will have to drag brown from the railings at number 10.....screaming.....with 2 policemen pulling him by the legs....
required field
- 06 May 2010 08:37
- 68 of 226
It'll be interesting to hear the change of tune from the televised news coverage as they have been all for this departing lot for the last 15 years or so....
maggiebt4
- 06 May 2010 08:43
- 69 of 226
And if/when the tories win they'll probably only be there for 4 years as no-one will like what they have to do. Not sure why anyone would want to win this election maybe they think they can save the nation or maybe it's all about s in pockets
required field
- 06 May 2010 08:45
- 70 of 226
Somebody has to run it.....and this borrowing "thing" has to stop !.
cynic
- 06 May 2010 08:48
- 71 of 226
now from where did you plagiarise that nugget?
for sure there are going to be some very tough decisions to be made and actions to be taken
how well/badly those will be taken will depend (i guess) on whether the larger world economies continue to grow
on balance, i think they will, in which case the pain could be quite short-lived and will then be deemed to have been very clever and prudent - and as promised at the hustings!
required field
- 06 May 2010 08:54
- 72 of 226
Labour just borrow more and more .....when nothing is left : they borrow more...this has to stop or slow anyway....I'm not really telling you anything you don't know already.
2517GEORGE
- 06 May 2010 09:08
- 73 of 226
There has got to be huge savings to be made in various government departments, even without job losses, although this will be inevitable imo. World economic growth is still anaemic, but there are signs of improvement in the USA.
Euroland and the UK will be a struggle, here the UK housing market is weakening again, and manufacturing needs a boost, perhaps a brighter light shines in the service industry where foreign tourists may take advantage of our weak currency.
2517
required field
- 06 May 2010 10:42
- 74 of 226
By the way anybody any idea what the exit polls were ?...(I think that's what they call it)...
cynic
- 06 May 2010 10:53
- 75 of 226
exit polls can only be done once voting is finished!
my local polling station was much busier than i expected, and it's such a shame that this isn't a marginal, though i guess it shows how seriously (quite correctly!) peeps are taking this election
it'll be interesting to see what overall turn-out is - i think it was barely 70% last time, but i'm sure one of you guys/gals will know
required field
- 06 May 2010 11:06
- 76 of 226
I was looking for Gengis Khan on the ballot paper, but as he was not in the running decided to go for the blues (no not chelsea), the other lot....
cynic
- 06 May 2010 11:30
- 77 of 226
young gordon is feeling very blue this morning, so he'll be glad of your support
skinny
- 06 May 2010 12:14
- 78 of 226
Latest odds from william Hill -
here.
mitzy
- 06 May 2010 12:30
- 79 of 226
Tories to win by 50 seats I guess.
cynic
- 06 May 2010 15:00
- 80 of 226
ah yes, to go along with oil at $100+ in a week or two by your calc!
skinny
- 06 May 2010 15:06
- 81 of 226
Latest from William Hill Conservative 1/25 (was1/12) at midday, Labour 9/1 (7/1) and Libs 25/1 (50/1)
cynic
- 06 May 2010 15:09
- 82 of 226
presume that is as largest party rather than overall majority
skinny
- 06 May 2010 15:13
- 83 of 226
Yes - click on the link in post 78 for other odds.
Fred1new
- 06 May 2010 15:36
- 84 of 226
If the tories get in, then the UK will be going cap in hand to the IMF within the year, to be bailed out.
They will be singing "Bring back Lamont".
(Out of tune of course.)
required field
- 06 May 2010 15:44
- 85 of 226
I liked Lamont because I was running a small business and he had the sense to raise the vat level....he's taken the blame for an unfortunate situation .....
Camelot
- 06 May 2010 16:00
- 86 of 226
Cable gone scuba diving
Camelot
- 06 May 2010 16:02
- 87 of 226
its not that fred lives in a flat world, he is just a crazy mixed up kid
cynic
- 06 May 2010 16:07
- 88 of 226
i fear it matters not which party gets in in that respect, for there is no doubt that the country's debt is terrifying ...... some of this can be dealt with through (in)direct taxes, curbing public sector spending etc, but the biggest help will be if US and F/E economies continue to recover - i assume i don't need to explain why
halifax
- 06 May 2010 16:33
- 89 of 226
no doubt like incoming CEO's the Tories will paint the darkest picture of the economy, and after a few months of their economic management a miracle will occur and the dark clouds will disperse.
cynic
- 06 May 2010 16:35
- 90 of 226
i agree the first part but doubt the second
halifax
- 06 May 2010 16:40
- 91 of 226
cynic that depends on a number of factors including most importantly the question of further falls in the value of sterling.
cynic
- 06 May 2010 16:53
- 92 of 226
falling is a double-edged sword, and it also depends against which currencies
certainly stronger $ will encourage more tourists which can be no bad thing
Fred1new
- 06 May 2010 17:03
- 93 of 226
Halifax,
If the tories get in they will paint the darkest picture and then achieve it without understanding the reasons why.
What I fear, is that if the tories succeed and introduce the swinging cuts, which usually appeals to some tories and tory governments, and then we might have large scaled "social unrest", similar to, but on a lesser intensity than Greece.
This time, if Osborne opens the cupboard, he won't find any gold, or silver to sell to his friends in order to reduce general taxation.
It is possible, that he will go down in history as the chancellor who introduced the highest general taxation in the last sixty years.
The squawking has yet to come.
halifax
- 06 May 2010 17:08
- 94 of 226
Fred Osbourne won't find any gold in the "cupboard" as Brown sold it for $200 long ago, as far as civil unrest is concerned there are no doubt plenty of anarchists looking for an excuse to smash a few windows but the police will "take care" of them.
cynic
- 06 May 2010 17:11
- 95 of 226
are swinging cuts made with a scythe or are they something more exotic or even titillating?
halifax
- 06 May 2010 17:14
- 96 of 226
cynic thats the gibbet from which all failed chancellors should swing!
required field
- 06 May 2010 17:15
- 97 of 226
I'm thinking of a 10 bet on the tories getting in at 1.61......any good that ?...
Fred1new
- 06 May 2010 17:16
- 98 of 226
Depends on if you are a swinger or not. Take your pick.
If you prefer try swingeing!
I always think of swindling cuts when the latter is used.
cynic
- 06 May 2010 17:19
- 99 of 226
depends what you mean by "getting in"
for myself, i am far too old to stay up much beyond midnight, but hope to see result from Cheltenham .... this is currently held by LD with tiny majority
required field
- 06 May 2010 17:23
- 100 of 226
Forming a government.
cynic
- 06 May 2010 17:28
- 101 of 226
racing certainty i would have thought
Fred1new
- 06 May 2010 17:42
- 102 of 226
Cynic,
One would need to be a masochist to stay up any later to watch the dreary commentary and hype on TV.
The results in the morning are good enough.
spitfire43
- 06 May 2010 20:18
- 103 of 226
Very clever plan of Labour to keep the microphone on Brown then for him to insult one of his own supporters. (Very amusing though, just like a Monty Python sketch). It's the only thing this wretched government has got right in 13 years.
They never wanted to govern for the next term due to the unpopular measures needed, and their inability to deal with the deficit, as well as knowing how unpopular the next government will become.
Has anyone noticed how lots of words come out of Nick Cleggs mouth, but he never says anything. Can you imagine the Liberals if they have any say in the next Government, they are even worse than Labour if thats possible. But I guess the UK population have had the Government they have deserved for the last 13 years, I can understand Labour being elected for one term. But thats enough, a second and third term was total madness.
Regards
sp43
Undecided Voter............
spitfire43
- 06 May 2010 20:22
- 104 of 226
Wonder what the odds would be for Ken Clarke to made made Chancellor, instead of that hopeless George Osbourne.
Dont rule it out............
mitzy
- 06 May 2010 22:10
- 105 of 226
Thanks again cynic.
A tories win but 50 seats is it enough.
robertalexander
- 06 May 2010 22:14
- 106 of 226
how are the polls going? am in the states and have no idea
i am hoping the tories get in but fear for a hung parliament which will help nobody
edit dont worry about it i got iplayer working
mitzy
- 06 May 2010 22:31
- 107 of 226
xit polls taken 30 mins ago give 307 seats to Tories and 255 seats to Labour.
required field
- 06 May 2010 22:59
- 108 of 226
If that is correct NC will go with Cameron's lot....can't see him working with GB...who would ?....
dealerdear
- 06 May 2010 23:12
- 109 of 226
Disagree. If NC joins with Labour it would force another election pretty soon and with the disillusionment that goes with it, NC would believe his party would stand a better chance second time around.
And for those that haven't been following, a whole load of people have been turned away at the polls at 10pm so the chances of legal redress are huge.
Camelot
- 07 May 2010 00:33
- 110 of 226
"a whole load"
lol
about 200 and the majority is about 10,000
cynic
- 07 May 2010 00:33
- 111 of 226
there were 5 seats where voters were left queuing - 3 x l and 2 x ld - only one of which was marginal (chester from memory)
the election will not be re-run on the basis of that
===============
a minority party is perfectly capable of forming a gov't and arguably could stay in power for some time without calling an election
nevertheless, it would be inherently weak, needing to rely on tacit or actual support from others to push through legislation
the tougher that legislation, the harder it is likely to be to push it through
Camelot
- 07 May 2010 00:39
- 112 of 226
except that on the exit polls labour-lib do not have combined majority
but Cons-Lib would have
cynic
- 07 May 2010 00:42
- 113 of 226
you are assuming a formal coalition ..... that is a rare occurrence
aldwickk
- 07 May 2010 00:45
- 114 of 226
balls up at the polling stations ....... 100's turned away , some running out of voting papers.
Camelot
- 07 May 2010 01:14
- 115 of 226
I made no personal assumptions at all
Its just simple arithmetic
anyway, it may be all academic with 8% swing against Labour
cynic
- 07 May 2010 07:12
- 116 of 226
exit poll looks to have been pretty accurate ...... cons now predicted to win 307 = +2 from exit poll ..... ld have surprisingly not performed nearly as well as predicted
required field
- 07 May 2010 08:03
- 117 of 226
Cameron at the moment could hope for a coalition with the liberal-democrats or the northern ireland mp's in the event of the former going with labour.....so to me Cameron has to be leader.....Brown still clinging to the railings at number 10....but perhaps not for long...
cynic
- 07 May 2010 08:18
- 118 of 226
do you have any idea where the DUP (i think that's the party with all the seats in NI) stands relative to Tory mandate/promises?
mitzy
- 07 May 2010 08:21
- 119 of 226
At least the Falklands oil cos are performing well today against the general fall in the uk markets.
required field
- 07 May 2010 08:24
- 120 of 226
I thing NC will go with Cameron....the situation with GB would not work out...the rest of them could help but I'm no expert in political affairs, some would go with Cameron others won't.
dealerdear
- 07 May 2010 08:24
- 121 of 226
I think you'll find it's more than a few hundred. Stories say it happened in several cities and certainly we had to queue to vote which has never happened before.
Whether the story runs who knows but I still feel we will have another election soon.
cynic
- 07 May 2010 08:27
- 122 of 226
i think you are right and assuredly there will be a massive row about the chester shambles as that is a very close count-call
aldwickk
- 07 May 2010 08:37
- 123 of 226
Why would anybody want to vote for Labour ? never overestirmate the intelligence of the British public .
cynic
- 07 May 2010 08:51
- 124 of 226
using some of those on this BB as shining examples of same?
Camelot
- 07 May 2010 09:16
- 125 of 226
I dont think the markets or the media or the public would like to see a coalition of losers
it would hardly seem to be the honourable thing to do
and if we are to have another election in the autumn, it might be politically savvy for Gordon to stand aside now and wait .
he would then enjoy the 'well, they tried and failed' high ground
required field
- 07 May 2010 09:19
- 126 of 226
He'll hang on to the bitter end like Hitler in his bunker.
maggiebt4
- 07 May 2010 09:56
- 127 of 226
Bit late to reply Cynic but DUP got 8 MPs SF 7 SDLP 3 Alliance 1 Ind 1 Dup might support Cons if deal is right SF leans towards labour as does SDLP other 2 both women will do their own thing. Quite interesting here as 3 party leaders have lost their seats
required field
- 07 May 2010 10:39
- 128 of 226
NC will have to go with JC because if he goes with GB : the total does not exceed JC + NI....so to defeat Gordon Brown you have to have : > GB+NC=JC+NI......hopes that makes sense...(:))...(Gordon Brown disposal formula)....or gbdf for short...
Camelot
- 07 May 2010 10:44
- 129 of 226
Clegg to talk to Cameron first
and cable bounces
Master RSI
- 07 May 2010 11:58
- 130 of 226
cynic
re - i rather forlornly hoped that the peeps who inhabit these boards were rather more educated and thoughtful
We wish you did not have RED all over you and ofcourse including the NOSE
Master RSI
- 07 May 2010 12:05
- 131 of 226
COFFEE FUN TIME
Election '10 night: scalps, farewells and survivors
Farewell to some familiar faces ...and others who survived the night
SCALPS
Jacqui Smith
Jacqui Smith, the former Home Secretary, who was forced to step down from the government after she used her parliamentary expenses to pay for her husbands adult films, has been emphatically defeated in Redditch. She is the biggest scalp of the election for the Conservatives. Karen Lumley, the partys candidate, won 19,138 votes - 9.2 per cent swing from Labour. Ms Smith, who was deeply embarrassed by the disclosure of her expenses claims, became largely synonymous with the scandal. A doleful-looking Ms Smith looked close to tears at the count.
Peter Robinson
In one of the most astonishing results in the region's history, Peter Robinson, Northern Irelands First Minister, lost East Belfast to Naomi Long of the Alliance Party. Ms Long won 12,839 votes, a majority of 1,533. Mr Robinsons stunning defeat can be attributed to revelations in his private life earlier unearthed earlier this year. His wife Iris was forced to quit politics after she failed to declare a 50,000 loan to her teenage lover. Mr Robinson, who denied any wrong doing in the saga, was initially forced to stand down as First Minister, but later returned. His wife, who tried to commit suicide after her husband discovered her affair, is currently in acute psychiatric care.
Lembit Opik
Lembit Opik, the flamboyant Liberal Democrat, was beaten by the Conservatives in Montgomeryshire. The Conservative candidate Glyn Davies ousted Mr Opik with a swing of 13 per cent, winning 13,976. Mr Opik, who courted attention, was one of the elections biggest surprises. It seems voters were unimpressed with Mr Opiks antics. He courted media attention with his engagement to Cheeky Girl popstar Gabriela Irimia and later with his relationship with weather presenter Sian Lloyd. Mr Opik had been the Lib Dem MP here since 1997. His said to suggestions his private life had influence voters: Its a very sad day for democracy if being characterful means you cant be in parliament.
Charles Clarke
Charles Clarke, the former home secretary and Labour rebel, has lost his seat to the Liberal Democrats. Simon Wright won Norwich South with a 310 majority. Mr Clarke, who was highly critical of Gordon Brown from the backbenches, was reported to be behind attempts to oust the Prime Minister in January. Mr Wright won 13,960 votes - a swing of 4 per cent from the Liberal Democrats.
FAREWELLS
Dr Evan Harris
Dr Evan Harris, a leading Liberal Democrat, known for his independent views and feisty temperament, has lost Oxford West and Abingdon to the Conservatives. Dr Harriss defeat typified a disappointing night for the party. Nicola Blackwood, the Conservative candidate, won by 176 votes, after a recount. Dr Harris, who was elected in 1997, won 23,730 votes.
Mike OBrien
Mike OBrien, a Health Minister, was beaten in Warwickshire North by 54 votes. Mr OBrien had been MP here since 1992. Dan Byles, the Conservative candidate, won 18,993 votes, with a 7.7 per cent swing from Labour.
Shahid Malik
Shahid Malik, the Parliamentary under-Secretary of State in department for Communities and Local Government, has lost in Dewsbury. Mr Malik, who was caught up in the expenses scandal, was beaten by Simon Reevell, the Conservative candidate, by 1,526 votes. Mr Reevell won 18,898 to Mr Maliks 17,372 - a 5.9 per cent swing from Labour to Conservative. Mr Malik had been forced to stand down as a justice minister in May 2009 after it was revealed he had not declared a preferential rent on his main home. He rejoined the government a month later.
Phil Hope
Phil Hope, a Health Minister, has lost his seat to Tory A-list candidate Louise Bageshaw. Ms Bageshaw, the successful chick-lit author, took Corby by 1,951 votes. Mr Hope had held the seats since the Labour landslide in 1997. Ms Bageshaw won 22,886 votes, a swing of 3.4 per cent from Labour.
Bill Rammell
Bill Rammell, the Armed Forces Minister, has been ousted from his Harlow seat by the Conservatives. Mr Rammell, who won the constituency 13 years ago, was beaten by Robert Halfon who polled 19,691 votes to Mr Rammells 14,766.
SURVIVORS
Ed Balls
Ed Balls, the Schools Secretary, narrowly avoided a "Portillo moment", squeezing home with just over 1,000 votes. Antony Calvert, the Conservative candidate, polled 17,264 votes - a swing of 9.3 per cent.
The Conservatives' mission to castrate the Labour party was heavily funded by Lord Ashcroft, the partys deputy chairman. Mr Balls standing in the Morley and Outwood was one of the most eagerly awaited results of the election. Mr Cameron had urged voters to give Mr Calvert a moment to rival Mr Portillos stunning defeat at Enfield Southgate in 1997. Mr Calvert had told locals that he wanted to cut off Labours Balls. Thanking the electoral staff, Mr Balls said: I am sorry for the cameras that they didnt get the moment they were looking for, although I must say it was quite close.
Oliver Letwin
Oliver Letwin, the Conservative Partys election chief, who drew up the partys election policies, saw off the Liberal Democrats with a 3,923 majority. Mr Letwins Dorset West seat was seen as one of the most vulnerable for senior Tories. Mr Letwin increased his share of the vote by 1.1 per cent to 27,287 votes. Sue Farrant, the Liberal Democrat candidate won 23,364 votes.
Hazel Blears
Hazel Blears, who was criticised by Gordon Brown over her expenses, held Salford despite a concerted local campaign. Ms Blears, who resigned from the Cabinet on the eve of last summers local and European election, won 16,655 votes. Norman Owen, the Liberal Democrat candidate won 10,930 votes and Matthew Sephton, the Conservative candidate came third with 8,497. Ms Blears was heavily criticised by her constituentes for undermining the Labour Party when she wore a Rockin the Boat broach following her resignation.
required field
- 08 May 2010 11:24
- 132 of 226
This constitution is nuts...we still have GB in place and he is going to try to get NC in with him...bloody bonkers this country....this has to be changed in future years....how about JC getting NI and the remaining lot to just outvote GB and NC..in the commons...vote of no confidence ?...
cynic
- 08 May 2010 12:10
- 133 of 226
having seen the result and the numbers, i confess i am now in favour of STV (single transferable vote) system, though i'm not sure how that would be implemented.
however, as liam fox rightly said on tv this morning, voters voted for solutions to the real and immediate problems, the party political esoterics being far distant considerations
if DC and NC cannot cobble together something workable between them, that will stand up for at least a notional year, then we are all in for a very dire time indeed, and it will not just be confined to uk
required field
- 08 May 2010 12:29
- 134 of 226
It's not getting any better is it ? and I'm by nature optimistic...
cynic
- 08 May 2010 12:32
- 135 of 226
i don't think either of those guys is in any doubt as to the criticality(??) of their talks, so one can only hope that common sense and skilful wording will prevail
required field
- 08 May 2010 12:41
- 136 of 226
I cannot imagine how can you have a government with GB at the table ?...a meeting with 20 ministers chaired by GB...putting motions through to undo the crackpot schemes that labour have taken 14 years to implement...he'll do everything he can to slow things down...house of lords...etc....plus tory secrets would have to be debated with him being present....unworkable : for some laws...
cynic
- 08 May 2010 12:49
- 137 of 226
????????????
where was GB mentioned?
if there is a deal between the 2xC, then GB will be forced to pack his bags
halifax
- 08 May 2010 13:12
- 138 of 226
what price brown resigning on monday?
cynic
- 08 May 2010 13:20
- 139 of 226
i would hope heavy odds-on as if that does not happen, it means that there is no deal of any kind between 2xC
cynic
- 08 May 2010 13:25
- 140 of 226
an interesting snippet i have just picked up ......
Predicting that talks on forming a government could take days, Mr Clegg said he would make the case for four priorities - fairer taxes, changes to the education system to boost the chances of poorer pupils, a new approach to the economy and "fundamental" political reform.
i don't think that too much should be read into "could take days", as that would be expected given the magnitude of the task ..... however if there is no chance of a deal to be done, then we'll know tomorrow or even earlier.
what i did like to see in the above, was the absence of dogma about PR - merely a sensible and realistic comment about the need for "fundamental political reform", which quite rightly was in last place
Fred1new
- 08 May 2010 13:34
- 141 of 226
I doubt the above.
I see a pact between the Libs.Dems and Labour, with Gordon Brown remaining as premier with and undertaking to resign or dissolve parliament within a two to three year period.
This would allow time for economic recovery and reform of electoral system with introduction of PR , possibly reform of the house of lords, and financing of MPS and elections.
It would be madness for the Libs to accept anything less than PR. and Cameron is so desperate to be Prime minister, he may offer it them.
I still think Clegg is naive, but not naive enough to hold hands with Cameron.
How did Cameron get his party into such a mess. Think of the polls he had 18mths ago.
Fred1new
- 08 May 2010 13:42
- 142 of 226
I would think the politicians are a little too mature to pay any real attention to the markets, or make their decisions based on them.
That is left to traders and punters who are excitable.
Chris Carson
- 08 May 2010 15:30
- 143 of 226
At least Gordon Brown has now at last vacated 10 Downing Street, to return to the family home in Scotland (BBC News). First positive news to date. Any chance of manning Hadrians Wall pronto? :o))
Dil
- 08 May 2010 15:42
- 144 of 226
Libs grass roots are revolting.
mitzy
- 08 May 2010 15:53
- 145 of 226
Who won..?
required field
- 08 May 2010 16:19
- 146 of 226
I don't know where I got the idea of GB chairing a meeting with Tory ministers....but it just seemed possible with GB determined to stay on...he'd do anything to remain in power.
Chris Carson
- 08 May 2010 16:22
- 147 of 226
Gone home 'tae think again' :o)
cynic
- 08 May 2010 17:10
- 148 of 226
NC is not as naive as you fred if you really think that the (world) markets are unimportant ...... though they are often perceived as little better than casinos, in the broader picture, they reflect with some degree accuracy where economies are heading, not least because they are of course a true reflection of sentiment .... and if you think that is not important, then you are even more naive than i thought.
with regard to political reform, i think there is now a broad consensus that something needs to be done ..... personally, i don't much care for PR, and as i posted earlier, i think the STV is a much better option.
whatever is done - and it will assuredly have to be - it is not something that can be achieved in a day or even a month, as all the ramifications have to be carefully thought through ..... i also firmly believe that it will have to be a x-party discussion and debate if it is not all to end in a fearful shambles
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MRSI - i don't understand post 130 - do you?
Camelot
- 08 May 2010 20:05
- 149 of 226
I havent found any consensus about changing the voting system
but I would favour the demise of socialism and the return of a strong Liberal party
maybe the Cons-Lib platform could be the start
Dil
- 09 May 2010 02:40
- 150 of 226
Who did you ask Cam ?
lol
Camelot
- 09 May 2010 07:34
- 151 of 226
On the other hand there is a broad consensus (contained within 2 standard deviations)
that Gordon Brown should have admitted defeat on Friday and quit then
cynic
- 09 May 2010 17:51
- 152 of 226
the dancing continues, which can be no bad thing .....
5.47pm: Danny Alexander, the Lib Dem leader's chief of staff, just came out and made an even shorter statement, which was remarkably similar to Hague's.
Alexander said they had discussed the economy, deficit reduction, the environment and civil liberties. He did not mention electoral reform or even "political reform".
Like Hague he said they intended to have further discussions in the next 24 hours.
"Any plan will have deficit reducaiton and a credible economic plan at its heart," Alexander said.
mitzy
- 09 May 2010 18:28
- 153 of 226
Under Pressure.
cynic
- 09 May 2010 19:50
- 154 of 226
so they should be, as well as the parties they lead ..... now is the time for statesmanship with the minimum of politicking and dogma - aka putting the country first
Camelot
- 09 May 2010 20:55
- 155 of 226
Germany coalition just lost its majority
so much for Rainbow cock tales
required field
- 10 May 2010 13:01
- 156 of 226
Labour taking to Clegg's lot......just can't get rid of them....
TheFrenchConnection
- 10 May 2010 13:58
- 157 of 226
my diplomatic sources tell me that Clegg abhors Cameron in a big way -a very big way . His dislike is both political and personal but he has to be perceived as doing the right thing - and as a prof politico he has to talk to Cameron first considering the tories won the popular vote. ...........but clegg is not as naive as people think ........From my vantage point it seems utterly bizzarre that LAB did so well in the simultaneously held municipal elections . l hope Clegg lets Cameron go it alone and screw it all up which he will .Cretin
halifax
- 10 May 2010 14:14
- 158 of 226
froggy medling again.
Fred1new
- 10 May 2010 14:19
- 159 of 226
TFC,
You are witnessing the "Danse Macabre", between Wisteria and his support stick Clegg.
I have a feeling that many in Europe proper would prefer Brown to Cameron.
If the Cons/libs get in, and don't get proportional representation at the next election the public will cane both parties.
Camelot
- 10 May 2010 14:22
- 160 of 226
There was a bit of a flurry earlier when we were told Gordon Brown was going to announce his resignation at noon. Apparently he had been told by Nick Clegg last night that he had to go
Dil
- 10 May 2010 15:00
- 161 of 226
And when has anyone like me , you or Brown ever listened to anyone else Fred ?
:-)
Camelot
- 10 May 2010 15:33
- 162 of 226
apparently all contacts between Labour and Libs have been initiated by Labour
required field
- 10 May 2010 16:12
- 163 of 226
Trying to sneak in by the back door....typical labour.....Cameron should talk to a few independents before talking to Clegg, that way you have superior numbers...
(JC+I)>(GB+NC)....those math lessons are really coming to hand (:<))
cynic
- 10 May 2010 16:24
- 164 of 226
it is looking more and more like a DC/NC pact, so long as the rednecks on either side do not sabotage it on grounds of (im)pure political dogma
Camelot
- 10 May 2010 17:24
- 165 of 226
Brown to resign
so with Lab Lib we would have an unelected PM
cynic
- 10 May 2010 17:32
- 166 of 226
again!
how long until the next general election?
Fred1new
- 10 May 2010 17:53
- 167 of 226
Long enough for PR. which will suit the Libs, and minor parties and the mores of the Labour.
More importantly it will go down well with the electorate who will cane the tories, if they block the changes.
Mind quite a few of the labour shadow bench would feel more at home after a caning.
Fred1new
- 10 May 2010 17:59
- 168 of 226
Dil,
My wife and children often say "there is nobody like you", when I look around I think they mean me.
But being omniscient I don't really mind.
8-)
Fred1new
- 10 May 2010 17:59
- 169 of 226
Dil,
My wife and children often say "there is nobody like you", when I look around I think they mean me.
But being omniscient I don't really mind.
8-)
Chris Carson
- 10 May 2010 18:16
- 170 of 226
Well she's got that right Fred, no argument there!
required field
- 10 May 2010 21:05
- 171 of 226
GB going but not immediately....typical....if JC can get the the others to vote with him : they could just outnumber GB and the liberals...but only just...
What next : Milliband....please no....he's like an untrained young alsatian...sat waiting for orders....
jimmy b
- 10 May 2010 22:44
- 172 of 226
Not Milliband please ,jumped up little prick Blair wannabe ..
Camelot
- 11 May 2010 08:00
- 173 of 226
many Labour MP's dont want PR as they will lose their seat
so even a stitched up Lab Lib may not pass Queens Speech
aldwickk
- 11 May 2010 09:58
- 174 of 226
We had Tony Blairs long goodbye now Gordon Browns, will we see those silly party members crying when Blair spoke at the Labour conferrence.
Hazel Blair got re-elected , that says it all about anybody who voted Labour.
required field
- 11 May 2010 10:09
- 175 of 226
A bottle of bubbly is in the running for my family and myself when GB ges.....just heading for the fridge when I hear : he's going, but not just yet and we might have one of the other cronies take his place....no bubbly ....(:((
aldwickk
- 11 May 2010 10:17
- 176 of 226
And your new PM is Harriet Harman
halifax
- 11 May 2010 10:28
- 177 of 226
Did brown say he will resign as leader of the labour party or he "intends" to resign? There is a subtle difference as if he suckers the lib dems into a coalition and time goes by his legitimacy as an elected pm improves and he may decide to change his mind "in the national interest"and stay on.What would the lib dems do then if they havr several seats in the cabinet. Don't trust brown.
cynic
- 11 May 2010 12:09
- 178 of 226
sooner (or later, God forbid!) this shambles will unscramble.
Q for you all ...... who will have lost or gained the most credibility over this charade?
for sure, the general public are totally cheesed of with it all, and the markets too are now taking a very dim view.
the advantage of the latter, is that when the deal is finally struck, there is likely to be a huge sigh of relief (especially if done with DC) and a jump in the markets
Camelot
- 11 May 2010 14:06
- 179 of 226
half the labour negotiating team havent even been elected
cynic
- 11 May 2010 14:15
- 180 of 226
that's irrelevant
i am now of the opinion that when the quadrille finally stops, NC and DC will be found to be holding hands .... for how long is another matter
anyway, with that in mind, have just opened a modest ftse long
Master RSI
- 11 May 2010 15:12
- 181 of 226
JOKE AT LATE LUNCH TIME
On trying to form a Goverment
Liberal Democrats behaving like 'every harlot in history',
says David Blunkett
The Liberal Democrats are facing recriminations from all
sides over Nick Clegg's decision to make overtures towards
Gordon Brown while conducting talks with David Cameron.

notes:
National Interest?
more like HORSE trading
David Blunkett knows a lot about HARLOT's till he found the wife of someone else, I am trying to be nice
to the Liberals after saying yesterday of being a party of Backstabbing.
Camelot
- 11 May 2010 16:27
- 182 of 226
evening standard say brown has quit
and luggage being removed from No 10
cynic
- 11 May 2010 16:32
- 183 of 226
except it's Spinman Darling's apparently!
halifax
- 11 May 2010 16:56
- 184 of 226
no police kit.
cynic
- 11 May 2010 17:15
- 185 of 226
so i now hear ..... perhaps that's what he wears in the evening!
In The Land of the B
- 11 May 2010 17:21
- 186 of 226
aldwickk
- 11 May 2010 17:32
- 187 of 226
aldwickk
- 11 May 2010 18:03
- 188 of 226
If you read the comments of that clip , it only goes to show how low standards have fallen since New Labour came to power.
Master RSI
- 11 May 2010 19:37
- 189 of 226
GORDON resigns and goes to see the QUEEN
Conservative in power so can dictate to the Liberals now
----------
from the BBC .....
Gordon Brown resigns as UK prime minister
Mr Brown is on his way to officially tender his resignation to the Queen, and recommend that Conservative leader David Cameron should succeed him.
Speaking alongside his wife Sarah outside No 10 Downing Street, he said the job had been "a privilege" and wished his successor well.
His decision comes as the Tories and Liberal Democrats are poised to agree a deal to form a government.
Labour's attempts to negotiate a deal of their own with the Lib Dems, after last week's inconclusive election result, ended in failure on Tuesday.
halifax
- 11 May 2010 20:04
- 190 of 226
open the bubbly!
jimmy b
- 11 May 2010 20:09
- 191 of 226
Thank the lord ,they have gone !!!!!! 13 years of dictatorship.
In The Land of the B
- 11 May 2010 21:21
- 192 of 226
Wonderful :)
aldwickk
- 11 May 2010 21:35
- 193 of 226
aldwickk - 11 May 2010 10:17 - 176 of 192
And your new PM is Harriet Harman
I was nearly right.
robertson12
- 12 May 2010 09:11
- 194 of 226
LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE ,DC AND HIS MERRY BAND OF PUBLIC SCHOOL BOYS WILL NOT HAVE ANY HEAVY INDUSTRY TO CLOSE, HIS MENTOR HAS ALREADY DONE THAT.GREAT BRITAIN, THATS A LAUGH WE DON'T MAKE A NUT IN THIS COUNTRY.
halifax
- 12 May 2010 09:16
- 195 of 226
absolute rubbish our manufactures exceed those of France etc.
Dil
- 12 May 2010 09:25
- 196 of 226
That's nothing to get excited about halifax.
robertson12
- 12 May 2010 09:33
- 197 of 226
FRANCE ! THEY STILL USE HORSES TO PLOUGH THE FIELDS.MAKING WHAT, STEEL MOST PLANTS CLOSED OR CLOSING,SHIPS IN WHAT YARDS THERE MOSTLY CLOSED,MOTOR CARS ALL FOREIGN OWNED,PAPER MILLS FEW AND FAR BETWEEN,FOUNDRIES ALL CLOSED. WE MAKE MEAN HAMBURGERS THOUGH.
robertson12
- 12 May 2010 10:18
- 198 of 226
anyway off to the golf,driving my german made car,filled up with a dutch companys fuel,wearing my REEBOK trainers made in vietnam,wearing clothes bought from m&s made elsewhere in the world and when i get to the coarse putting on my usa made golf shoes,unfolding my made in china trolley,clubs & balls etc yes halifax we have a terrific manufacturing base
cynic
- 12 May 2010 10:34
- 199 of 226
well if you don't buy uk-made goods how can we have a manufacturing base??
do you drink japanese "scotch" too?
robertson12
- 12 May 2010 10:46
- 200 of 226
where do you buy british ? reebok are british but manufacture abroad,m&s are british but buy from abroad, british car makers except a few custom car makers theres none,dunlop are british but manufacture abroad.to answer your question i wish i could.
robertson12
- 12 May 2010 10:54
- 201 of 226
certainly not only the real mccoy,highland park, try it its beautiful in fact its nectar helps me forget about dc running the country.
In The Land of the B
- 12 May 2010 11:14
- 202 of 226
"WE DON'T MAKE A NUT IN THIS COUNTRY"
Not true.We made Gordon Brown, didn't we?
Ooops, no we didn't. He's Scots.
cynic
- 12 May 2010 11:36
- 203 of 226
and robertson voted for whom i wonder? ...... george galloway? ..... nick griffin?
robertson12
- 12 May 2010 12:25
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none of your business who i voted for but was certainly was not for a public school boys party, time will tell how good a pm he will make
cynic
- 12 May 2010 12:30
- 205 of 226
tut tut ..... why so touchy? .... what colour hair do you have? ..... i think you'll find a good proportion of MPs from all parties went through private or grammar school education as it happens
robertson12
- 12 May 2010 12:33
- 206 of 226
anyway you have had your fair share of nutters in your little country of engerland, but you digress from my point.
cynic
- 12 May 2010 12:36
- 207 of 226
did you have a point worth noting?
aldwickk
- 12 May 2010 13:56
- 208 of 226
Tony Blair ...... a Labour Toff.
After attending Durham's Chorister School from 1961 to 1966,[16] Blair boarded at Fettes College, an independent school in Edinburgh, where he met Charlie Falconer (a pupil at the rival Edinburgh Academy), whom he later appointed Lord Chancellor. He reportedly modelled himself on Mick Jagger.[17] His teachers were unimpressed with him; his biographer, John Rentoul, reported that "All the teachers I spoke to when researching the book said he was a complete pain in the backside, and they were very glad to see the back of him
maggiebt4
- 12 May 2010 13:58
- 209 of 226
They got that right then!
cynic
- 12 May 2010 14:01
- 210 of 226
harold wilson - grammar school ..... harriet harman - st paul's ..... alistair darling - loretto
aren't they all strong labour?
Clubman3509
- 12 May 2010 15:04
- 211 of 226
Mandy Mandleson St' Trinians
halifax
- 12 May 2010 15:17
- 212 of 226
Mick Jagger Dartford Grammar.
aldwickk
- 12 May 2010 17:25
- 213 of 226
delete
aldwickk
- 12 May 2010 17:31
- 214 of 226
Manny Mandleson Hampstead Heath upper
required field
- 12 May 2010 23:23
- 215 of 226
Glad to see labour go but not sure about the new lot....one thing for sure : a lot more taxes in one way or another....perhaps Bugs Bunny Cameron ought to change his welcome speech to : Hello happy tax payers....
Clubman3509
- 13 May 2010 06:44
- 216 of 226
Will Nick do as he is told. I was sure they were going to kiss each other at a televised meeting yesterday in Downing Street.
Camelot
- 13 May 2010 07:05
- 217 of 226
Alias Smith and Jones ?
:-)

Camelot
- 13 May 2010 07:27
- 218 of 226
"Hello, I would like a one way ticket to Edinburgh, please"
"No, I don't have a credit card anymore"
cynic
- 13 May 2010 07:33
- 219 of 226
though none of likes to pay more tax, i am afraid this and other nasties are the unavoidable price to pay for getting us out of Shit Creek .... personally, i am delighted to see this major problem being tackled head-on and fast and, i hope, with no shirking ..... on a positive note, the markets will like it too
Camelot
- 13 May 2010 08:10
- 220 of 226
we havent yet been told the true level of debt involved
fixing the deficit seems pretty simple
just unwind all the gerrymandering type give aways from Gordon Brown
then we will hear the true level of unemployment as well
cynic
- 13 May 2010 08:16
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for sure it is not understated, and unlike those idiots in Greece who need the rest of Europe to bail them out, we (the UK taxpayer) will shoulder the burden whether we like it or not ..... grizzling is not an option; it's a mess we are all in regardless of whose "fault" we may like to think or pretend it is
required field
- 13 May 2010 08:41
- 222 of 226
Like I've said before, labour's only solution to anything is to throw money at it, when there's none left : tax some more and so forth.....leaving a trail of enormous debt behind, they want lockng up...
required field
- 13 May 2010 09:25
- 223 of 226
One of the laws labour were about to pass was : you had to wear a luminous jacket when climbing in or out of public transport......admit I had you going then....everybody has one nowadays...is it a free item when you sign up or what ?...
Fred1new
- 14 May 2010 13:02
- 224 of 226
Cynic.
Could you be a little more precise.
What are, or were the precise reasons for Greece's economic problems?
What led to the collapse of their economy.
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Market seems to like the new coalition.
8-)
Master RSI
- 18 May 2010 16:36
- 225 of 226
Is not spin but truth, that the LABOUR goverment went into a spend spree as the polls went againts them.........
Labour in the last days of its administration pursued a scorched earth policy of fiscal spending signing away contracts of nearly 12 Billion GBP.
David Cameron the new Prime Minister stated that since taking over their new posts his ministers have been horrified by the spending decisions of his predecessors
Fred1new
- 18 May 2010 17:29
- 226 of 226
Was that horrified or horrific?
8-)
I believe Maudling made a similar comment to his successor, as Byrne made to his.