Bullshare
- 16 Sep 2003 12:40
THE WITCHING HOUR ( Macbeth Act IV Scene I)
Double, double toil and trouble:
Fire, burn; and, cauldron, bubble
This Friday ( 19th September 2003) is Double Witching day here in the UK and it is the anniversary of one of the sharpest intraday moves ever recorded. On Friday 20th September 2002 the market moved an incredible 8% (309 points) in just 20 minutes. Many traders and private investors were spell bound and glued to their screens watching the market swing so violently in such a short period.
What is so surprising is that many people were not even aware that this particular volatility regularly occurs on Double and Triple witching days - the actual trading period within each Witching Day is known as the Witching hour but many wonder if it is not some dark and satanic ancient ritual. It actually refers to the period when equity index futures, equity index options and equity options are settled/expire. These are at prearranged times and dates throughout the year.
Triple witching days occur in the US only and refer to the market machinations brought on by the simultaneous expiration of all three derivatives at the same time. This happens four times a year, on the third Fridays of March, June, September, and December. To be precise, the phrase is Triple Witching Hour, and refers to the last hour of trading on these Fridays.
In the UK, Equity options expire on a Wednesday, so instead of Triple Witching we have Double Witching day which again is on the third Fridays of March, June, September, and December. On these days the FTSE 100 Future and the FTSE 100 Option both expire simultaneously. The FTSE 100 Future is a three month contract whereas the FTSE 100 Option is a monthly contract so it will expire every month of the year. On the quarter days when they both expire, the expiration of these vehicles can cause high volatility in the underlying equity market as arbitrageurs, hedge strategists and traders play madly with the expiring vehicle and the underlying securities.
The basis behind settlement of Futures contract is that the contract will be priced, at expiry, at a price equal to the cash or spot price in the Market (intrinsic price). For instance a FTSE September 2002 futures contract might be trading at a premium to the FTSE cash market on the day before expiry, but at the time of expiry they will be at the same price. Normally the Futures price will move to match the FTSE cash. So all those with long positions in a futures or options contract want the FTSE future to expire at a higher price and those with a short position want it expire lower lower. So let battle commence. The winner is the one who can drive the closing price in their favour.
To make things even more complicated it is not simply the end of day closing price that is used to calculate the final Futures and Options prices. In the UK it was realised some years ago that this would lead to manipulation in the market place so instead a sampling period of 20 minutes is created between 10.10am and 10.30am. Within this period, a sample is made of the FTSE 100 Index once every 15 seconds. Of the 81 measured values, the highest 12 and lowest 12 are discarded and the remaining 57 are averaged to calculate the settlement price.
On the basis, that on expiry the cash price of the FTSE 100 will be the same as the futures price, the players in this game, buy and sell stock in the cash market to make the FTSE 100 Index move in the direction of their trade. Knowing that the sampling period only lasts 20mins does make this particular time of day volatile. Its like a race, at 10.10am all the bulls start buying stocks and all the bears start selling. Normally this battle is slightly one-sided but not always a huge imbalance. The figures in Table1 show the average price movement (range)on each doublewitching day since 1999 and have also shown all the single witching days in 2002 just for info.
Date
|
High
|
Low
|
Range
|
% Range
|
20/06/2003
|
4169
|
4119
|
50
|
0.12
|
21/03/2003
|
3881
|
3782
|
99
|
2.61
|
20/12/2002
|
3893
|
3841
|
52
|
1.35
|
20/09/2002
|
4064
|
3755
|
309
|
8.23
|
16/08/2002
|
4382
|
4285
|
97
|
2.26
|
19/07/2002
|
4297
|
4098
|
199
|
4.86
|
21/06/2002
|
4641
|
4506
|
135
|
3.00
|
17/05/2002
|
5282
|
5211
|
71
|
1.36
|
19/04/2002
|
5248
|
5210
|
38
|
0.73
|
15/03/2002
|
5297
|
5243
|
54
|
1.03
|
15/02/2002
|
5235
|
5174
|
61
|
1.18
|
18/01/2002
|
5150
|
5103
|
47
|
0.92
|
21/12/2001
|
5182
|
5044
|
138
|
2.74
|
21/09/2001
|
4556
|
4219
|
337
|
7.99
|
15/06/2001
|
5756
|
5657
|
99
|
1.75
|
16/03/2001
|
5729
|
5556
|
173
|
3.11
|
15/12/2000
|
6269
|
6175
|
94
|
1.52
|
15/09/2000
|
6559
|
6417
|
142
|
2.21
|
16/06/2000
|
6566
|
6474
|
92
|
1.42
|
17/03/2000
|
6712
|
6505
|
207
|
3.18
|
17/12/1999
|
6757
|
6645
|
112
|
1.69
|
17/09/1999
|
6063
|
6011
|
52
|
0.87
|
18/06/1999
|
6596
|
6493
|
103
|
1.59
|
19/03/1999
|
6162
|
6111
|
51
|
0.83
|
Notice how volatile September is. This is for a number of reasons; historically it was the month when farmers had no money to spend as it had been spent after harvest in August and also manufacturers tended to have low order books. Nowadays what influences the markets is the quarterly reporting season in the US. In the US, September is called Black September for a reason, it is the start of the Fall in the US and history shows us that it is the signal for a fall in the markets
In the UK all the FTSE 100 companies are traded through an electronic order book (SETS), which normally has trading curbs in place if any stock moves 5% or more in any direction. If a curb should be triggered, trading is suspended while an auction is called. However on double witching days the exchanges may suspend this curb if it feels or is informed that there will be greater than normal volatility.
A few days before 20th September 2002 it became clear to the Stock Exchange that there was a large volume of stock to be put through in this period. It is understood that a US bank based in the City had taken out a large short position in the cash equity market (sold shares short). To hedge (re-insure) their short position they had placed an opposite long Futures trade on the FTSE 100 Future. It is understood that the counterparty to this trade was a European bank who hedged their own position by buying stock long in the cash equity market.
Normally the US bank would have continued it position in the cash market and simply rolled over its futures position onto the next contract month. Unusually it decided that it wanted to close out its short position in the cash market. It did not now need its hedge on the FTSE future, and wanted to close it out at an advantageous price. The net effect of this was that the US bank had to buy back its stocks in the cash equity market and then close its long futures position with the counterparty. On closing the futures long position, the European bank that was counterparty would then have to sell the stock it had bought as its hedge.
So lets now look at the 20th September 2002 in detail

FTSE 100
Open 3813
High 4064< p>
Low 3755
Close 3860
High-low range 8%
The Dow closed the previous night down 35 points, although at one time it had been trading 156 points lower. On opening, the FTSE futures were calling the market lower in the UK, so the FTSE 100 Index cash did actually fall on opening. At about 8.15am in kicked some program (electronic) buy orders and the market from here started to rise to the start of sampling (10.10am). The FTSE 100 cash at this time was now sitting just above the previous nights close.
Sampling period begins in earnest and it is apparent that the US bank has not been able to get its buy orders filled before the sampling period, so wades heavily into the market to buy stock. The effect of this was that the order book (SETS limit orders) thinned as the bank acquired stocks but also as savvy traders (werewolves) removed their buy and sell orders. The werewolves knowing that trading curbs had been removed knew that the brakes were off both on the upside and downside on all FTSE 100 constituents. Many traders now moved their limit orders to a price over 5% away from the normal price in the hope that the buyers in the market would be forced to buy through the SETS system and would program buy anything to get their trades filled before sampling finished. And of course this is just what happened. Millions made and millions lost.
The effect of all this activity was a period of pandemonium, with the Stock Exchange recording its highest ever volume of shares (1billion traded in this short period) and caused its computers to wobble. Looking at Chart 2 you can see the meteoric rise as huge buy programs are triggered and then the massive fall as these were overtaken by what is assumed to be the counterparties sell orders.
Looking at the individual share charts and tables for some of the most volatile stocks on the day (Shell, 3i, Johnson Matthey and GlaxoSmithKline ) you can see the extreme movements kick in as the sampling period starts. All the punters watching their screens at home, looked on in shock as this huge wave of buying followed by the wave of selling hit their screens. Many who had large open short positions panicked and tried to buy into the market, but a combination of slow prices and brokers systems/phone lines being swamped meant that the great majority just had to sit back and watch.
Intraday Movement - 20 Sept 2002
Kingfisher - 13.4%
3i - 97.2%
Daily Mail - 32.0%
Invensys - 47.1%
Amersham - 9.3%
Alliance and Leicester - 13.7%
BHP - 9.4%
Old Mutual - 54.0%
Hays - 58.8%
Cable & Wireless - 12.6%
Sage - 72.1%
Barclays - 41.8%
Anglo American - 26.4%
Shell - 34.5%
Rentokil Initial - 33.9%
Sainsbury's - 20.2%
GKN - 49.7%
BOC - 24.8%
Assoc British Foods - 10.4%
Safeway - 16.7%
The werewolves in the meanwhile were licking their lips as their limit orders were already placed in the SETS book and more importantly were being filled.
Assuming history repeats itself, the above table actually is a good guide for the stocks to watch. Obviously there are many more stocks outside the FTSE 100 that moved in a much larger range but this is a good starting point and is one that correlates well with the movement of the most liquid stocks on 20/09/02 as well.
So what next?
To really benefit you will need to have access to a broker that will allow you to place limit orders in the market. If you have an account with either an on-line or off-line limit order broking facility you will then be able to place orders outside the current 'near' buy/sell orders on that day.
You will need to check with you broker on the morning of 19th September to see if the trading curbs are in place or if they have been lifted - if your broker says dont know, query it further. As a trader, it is vital you have a relationship with a broker who does know these things!!! If trading curbs are in place then any movement up to 5% could potentially be filled if the day becomes volatile.
If you find trading kerbs are removed, question why. Has the market been informed of large positions that need to be closed by individual parties or for some other reason? Again your broker or perhaps a trader you know will be in the know as to how or what is likely to be the buying and selling pattern during the morning.
Lets take Shell as an example: on the 20/09/02 it moved in a range of 34.5%. Lets say on Friday 19th Sepetember opening Shell is trading at 399/402 with an order book as low as 325 and as high as 690. If the market generally is trending down over previous sessions you might want to put a sell order (short) in at 422 conversely if the market is in an up trend you might want to put a buy order in down at 378. As these are on the extremes of the curbs, should you get filled it will be because of large market orders that need to be executed. If the curbs are removed you might consider putting orders further out to catch any extreme movements. If you get filled within the curb extreme or on the outside of the curb if the market allows, you have every chance of closing the position out.
If the market does swing violently be careful of stops left with brokers, spread betters and CFD providers being taken out during this 20 minute period.
On the day who knows what will happen, it could be a damp squid, but it is better to be forewarned.
**********************************************************************************************************************
Mike Boydell is Managing Director of MoneyAM and also a director of Global Markets Training Ltd and Traderpc Ltd. He has been an active private trader in the UK for 13 years .

Johnson Matthey
Open 830
High 1350
Low 804
Close 836
High-low range 67%
GlaxoSmithKline
Open 1125
High 1358
Low 1092
Close 1173
High-low range 24%
Shell
Open 381
High 490
Low 368.5
Close 382.5
High-low range 33%
3i
Open 451
High 871
Low 440.5
Close 474.5
High-low range 97%
BrianTrayda
- 16 Sep 2003 12:45
- 2 of 193
Mike, now you're going to tell us the above is all your own work aren't you. :-)
Good read for the end of day though.
Bullshare
- 16 Sep 2003 12:50
- 3 of 193
Brian: It is , I did part of it in Shares Magazine last October but have updated it.
M
BrianTrayda
- 16 Sep 2003 13:07
- 5 of 193
Iain :-) wonder how much he gets for this year's version. ;-)
Bullshare
- 16 Sep 2003 13:19
- 6 of 193
0.0000 :-(
ThePlayboy
- 16 Sep 2003 13:21
- 7 of 193
A good thread Mr B, I think the key is not to be too greedy and be confident that the mkt will come back, stick within the 5% rule as mentioned above!
hilary
- 16 Sep 2003 14:06
- 8 of 193
Is that the new colour format of the am charts, Mike?
;-)
Big Al
- 16 Sep 2003 14:18
- 9 of 193
Very naughty, Hil!
;-)))
BrianTrayda
- 16 Sep 2003 14:29
- 10 of 193
Ssshhhh! You're attracting attention. :-)
Bet some magic is going to happen around here. ;)
BrianTrayda
- 16 Sep 2003 14:30
- 11 of 193
Piptrader
- 16 Sep 2003 14:41
- 12 of 193
The range on expiry days seems to be generally dependent on the level of market volatility in the period immediately preceding expiry, which makes sense.
I measure volatility (with FTSE futures) by a 20-day ema of true range, and this measure is high on the days before the 3 highest-range days in Mike's chart above. Conversely, the lowest-range days generally coincide with low volatility, eg first 5 months of 2002.
On that basis, this coming expiry should be a damp squib, because, by my measure of volatility, the market is the quietest it has been since May 1997. No guarantees, of course :-)
Mr Euro
- 16 Sep 2003 20:52
- 13 of 193
Bully, excellent header.
dominic
- 17 Sep 2003 11:38
- 14 of 193
the squid is back. long live the squid.
Kayak
- 17 Sep 2003 12:12
- 15 of 193
squid or squib?
Piptrader
- 17 Sep 2003 12:51
- 16 of 193
Kayak - a squib is a type of firework, and if it's damp, it won't go off, hence the expression. Somehow I think dominic knows that!
Edit: sorry, I think you do too!
DocProc
- 17 Sep 2003 20:59
- 17 of 193
And how much is that squib?
It sick squid'm Adam.
Is it damp?
Gnome Adam.
DocProc
- 17 Sep 2003 21:07
- 18 of 193
Double Witching is expected to be quite a damp squib affair on Friday in London. On Wall Street it's Quadruple Witching and in Frankfurt it's Triple Witching
I guess we'll soon see. Nerves seem quite steady to me so I'm for the damp squib thing.
DocProc
- 17 Sep 2003 21:13
- 19 of 193
But what about Isabel? Is the lady for turning?
She was Category 5 but it seems she's only Category 2 now.
Paulismyname
- 17 Sep 2003 21:59
- 20 of 193
Bullshare a really good thread if you do not mind me saying so.
I never have participated in witching before and have observed only, however am I correct in the assumption that if you think a share is going to be pulled down you would set up a fill long, down from the price, or if pushed up a short up from the price.
Also if this is correct what would be your preference in setting potential fills, long or short?
Time Traveller
- 18 Sep 2003 17:55
- 21 of 193
tofur
- 18 Sep 2003 18:53
- 22 of 193
what time all this witching madness start?
chadbukl
- 19 Sep 2003 00:19
- 23 of 193
How does the US witching work - and more importantly will this whipsaw the Dow if so when?
Yesterdays rise on the Dow seem overly stong, could this be the result of short covering in preparation for todays option expiry?
Bullshare
- 19 Sep 2003 04:58
- 24 of 193
The witching starts at 10.10 am and finishes just 20 minutes later at 10.30am.
The curbs are off and I have been phoning round already this morning(yes there are other sad gits like me) but there is no gossip of any on big trades to close.
However I have placed a number of limit orders on both side of the book on SETS stocks at points 4%, 5% and 10% away on 18 stocks. I have also put some very cheeky limit orders about 20% away.
I have hope that there will be volatility but have feeling it might just be a damp squib.
But you've got to be in it to win it. Who dares win's Rodney:-)
Chad: The US might be more volatle than the UK and occurs at closing
jules99
- 19 Sep 2003 05:40
- 25 of 193
Morning Bullshare, sorry didn't realise you were in here now.. just replied to you on other investors board, with a question on Kcom...any thoughts, think it will dip tmorrow?? or perhaps rise? then dip again....any thoughts appreciated..
Jules99.
david 2000
- 19 Sep 2003 08:59
- 26 of 193
Anyone know if trading curbs are on or off?
ThePlayboy
- 19 Sep 2003 09:03
- 27 of 193
off d2
TomL
- 19 Sep 2003 09:08
- 28 of 193
Bullie,
Thanks, very helpful and informative - no twaddle.
TomL.
The Other Kevin
- 19 Sep 2003 09:53
- 29 of 193
AVZ has been suggested to me as one to watch. DYOR
Bullshare
- 19 Sep 2003 10:34
- 30 of 193
boring. nearly got a fill on BHM ,was one order away at 125p.
M
BrianTrayda
- 19 Sep 2003 10:38
- 31 of 193
These Witches are going to have to go back to Magic School. They've lost the knack in their old age.
Time for another article Mike on why Witches aren't the mean old wotsits they used to be. ;)
david 2000
- 19 Sep 2003 10:42
- 32 of 193
Bullshare, what do you make of that, would positions being rolled over have an impact on the market at all. If not the asumption could be made that any positions out there, long or short, are happy with it. Therefore the majority have not closed, just rolled forward. Or have I got it totally wrong there?
PS didnt see either Witch!!!
DocProc
- 19 Sep 2003 10:45
- 33 of 193
Looks like witching caused a slight downward impact of a mere 10 FTSE points.
Pity really.
Bullshare
- 19 Sep 2003 21:19
- 34 of 193
Brian; I think the witches were to busy stirring their potions. What is interesting is that there was not a battle between the bulls and bears which perhaps shows all are happy with their current stance.
Although not done a short for weeks I am getting slightly jumpy as a lot of stocks are beginning to fail on resistance.
But as wise old Limpy says, the trend is your friend to the bend at the end. Perhaps the market is powered by Viagara as not much of a bend in sight yet!
Big Al
- 03 Dec 2003 19:30
- 35 of 193
ttt
It approaches once more!
Bullshare
- 17 Dec 2003 09:41
- 36 of 193
Double witching again this Friday. Proabaly another damp squib.
mike
foale
- 18 Dec 2003 08:18
- 37 of 193
Isnt it a triple as its a qtr end also?
ThePlayboy
- 18 Dec 2003 08:28
- 38 of 193
I thinks it a triple ripple also!
hilary
- 18 Dec 2003 08:35
- 39 of 193
Yes, it is triple in the UK.
What I don't understand is that the Yanks are referring to tomorrow as quadruple. What's that all about please? I had the same conversation last month with someone on the Traders Thread when the Yanks referred to it then as triple.
Dailos
- 18 Dec 2003 08:44
- 40 of 193
Hilary...
Quadruple Witching is a day on which contracts for stock index futures, stock index options, stock options, and single stock futures (SSF) all expire.
This is similar to the triple witching hour, except that the quadruple witching hour includes also the expiry of SSFs.
Quadruple witching days occur on the 3rd Friday of March, June, September and December.
d.
The Other Kevin
- 18 Dec 2003 08:55
- 41 of 193
Anything looking like it's worth a witch watch?
Bullshare
- 18 Dec 2003 09:01
- 42 of 193
For clarity in the UK, it is Double witching tomorrow(FTSE Future & FTSE Option). UK Equity Options and UK Universal stock futures expired on Wednesday 17th.
However from Jan 04 all UK expiry dates are moving to the 3rd Friday system.
The Other Kevin
- 18 Dec 2003 10:11
- 43 of 193
Ooops! It's only Thursday. Somebody pinch me tomorrow,please.
Bullshare
- 17 Sep 2004 08:14
- 44 of 193
An old thread maybe some relevance, as today is triple witching. Can't see many big movements today but will put a few stupid limit orders just in case
Bola
- 17 Sep 2004 09:42
- 45 of 193
Mike,
Sorry to query your stats! But how come that there were as many as 10 double witching days in 2002 and only 2 in 2003?
Bullshare
- 17 Sep 2004 10:02
- 46 of 193
Boa; Its an old thread, I showed all doubles since 1999 but just out of interest I also put in all the other expiry dates in 2002 as a comparison.
Bola
- 17 Sep 2004 10:15
- 47 of 193
Thanks Mike
mg
- 17 Sep 2004 10:48
- 48 of 193
Could the witches now please stop buying the FTSE and allow it to die a decent death - not very comfortable when you're short - but I suppose it could be a lot, lot worse ;(
Treblewide
- 17 Sep 2004 10:50
- 49 of 193
i second that mr mg!
Bullshare
- 18 Mar 2005 08:02
- 50 of 193
Just to remind everyone what happens today betwen 10.10am and 10.30am. Think its going to be a quiet one.
Kayak
- 18 Mar 2005 10:50
- 52 of 193
Bullie:
This talks about special indices, as I read it, that track the FTSE during the auction (UKX is frozen). Would be very useful. Can you get them?
"Please note that FTSE International Limited (FTSE) will introduce a separate index which will be used to disseminate both the indicative and final EDSP index value between the start of the intraday auction and the receipt of a firm uncrossing price for each security."
Bullshare
- 17 Jun 2005 06:17
- 53 of 193
It's that day again
Kayak
- 17 Jun 2005 09:35
- 54 of 193
Thanks for bringing my question to the top, Bullie :-)
Bullshare
- 17 Jun 2005 13:41
- 55 of 193
Wot question:-)
Nice movement today in the witching
david 2000
- 19 Aug 2005 09:52
- 56 of 193
Apt for today and next month IMHO
david 2000
- 14 Sep 2005 12:07
- 57 of 193
Triple withing this Friday....
Big Al
- 14 Sep 2005 12:12
- 58 of 193
Nice reminder D2K - cheers.
It may be an interesting one given how the quiet summer months went. Let's hope so.
Kayak
- 14 Sep 2005 13:20
- 59 of 193
Good grief, has my question not been answered yet?
:-)
Bullshare
- 14 Sep 2005 13:24
- 60 of 193
kayak: the answer to your question is a simple..... no idea
chocolat
- 14 Sep 2005 13:33
- 61 of 193
If options expiry was anything to go by, Friday should be good for some more volatility.
Kayak
- 14 Sep 2005 13:42
- 62 of 193
Thanks Bullie :-)
Bullshare
- 14 Sep 2005 13:57
- 63 of 193
Glad to be of no help:-)
Kayak
- 14 Sep 2005 14:11
- 64 of 193
My mistake Bullie, I should have asked someone who runs a website providing FTSE prices, or alternatively someone who wrote an article about witching :-)
Bullshare
- 14 Sep 2005 14:25
- 65 of 193
Yeah, ask Dil, he knows fffing everything:-)
Mike
PS Its the UKXSP(FTSE100)and the MCXSP(FTSE250) if you really want to know:-)
bhunt1910
- 14 Sep 2005 14:33
- 66 of 193
......but there is no "F" in "everything"
Baza (so bored)
Bullshare
- 14 Sep 2005 14:35
- 67 of 193
:-)
Kayak
- 14 Sep 2005 15:27
- 68 of 193
Thanks Bullie, wasn't so difficult now was it :-)
Bullshare
- 14 Sep 2005 15:30
- 69 of 193
It was actually, I also thought as you have drained the MoneyAm coffers so much this year by winning our competitions, you could do it your ruddy self:-)
Kayak
- 14 Sep 2005 15:34
- 70 of 193
And there I was thinking you'd be grateful for a feature you-know-who didn't know about :-) Mind you theirs works :-)
supermum
- 15 Sep 2005 23:40
- 71 of 193
black pointy hats on in the morning... maybe worth putting a couple of daft orders in.. it has been known for them to have been filled..
;-)
SM
david 2000
- 16 Sep 2005 00:28
- 72 of 193
Just an experiment.. predict Ops Exp between 10.10 and 10.30 to pivotal around 5400... A theory I am testing from some chart work based on last 4 months
FWIW... Based on same theory in US. Index expiry is in the morning session and would Expect S & P to be pivotal around 1225... We will see tomorrow!!
Seymour Clearly
- 16 Sep 2005 00:29
- 73 of 193
Just placed a few sillies. We'll see.
Bullshare
- 16 Sep 2005 06:22
- 74 of 193
morning all. SC: Likewise have dotted lots of orders in from 4% to 7% away on both sides of the book on about 15 stocks
splat
- 16 Sep 2005 08:19
- 75 of 193
always worth it - it worked for me last time. ;-))
Big Al
- 16 Sep 2005 08:55
- 76 of 193
Anyone found out if curbs are lifted.
I'm populating the LSE. ;-)))
david 2000
- 16 Sep 2005 09:26
- 77 of 193
Its trying for my 5400 target! Which is a major breakout for FTSE if it can close above 5385 tonight...
Kayak
- 16 Sep 2005 10:18
- 78 of 193
Well UKXSP worked as expected, thanks Mike.
What a pity that I chose today for my ADSL to be moved to Sevenoaks! Betfair on dial-up is impossible.
supermum
- 17 Sep 2005 22:05
- 79 of 193
somehow RDSB was seen around 1254.... and I got the most enormous margin call... put it in the bin!
SM
Bullshare
- 16 Dec 2005 10:07
- 80 of 193
Here we go again
TheArb
- 17 Dec 2005 17:05
- 81 of 193
goin' down the only road I've ever known
CC
- 18 Dec 2005 01:31
- 82 of 193
Whitesnake? but I can't put my finger on which song. From the 1987 album?
Is this love?
TheArb
- 18 Dec 2005 23:57
- 83 of 193
http://www.lyrics007.com/Whitesnake%20Lyrics/Here%20I%20Go%20Again%20Lyrics.html
Mega Bucks
- 17 Mar 2006 07:24
- 84 of 193
REMEMBER: 10.10 TILL 10.30 is Quadruple Witching Today and volatility can happen in the market during that time.
Stan
- 17 Mar 2006 10:55
- 85 of 193
Any successes out there today?
Stan
- 11 Sep 2006 08:53
- 86 of 193
This coming Friday If I'm not mistaken.
Worth placing a few cheeky trades or not?
Big Al
- 11 Sep 2006 09:16
- 87 of 193
Always! ;-)
CC
- 11 Sep 2006 11:01
- 88 of 193
Wouldn't bother. They changed the system over how options expiry worked about 18 months agao. Since then you'd be lucky to see a stock move more than % on options expiry. Once quarter about 5 stocks in the ftse100 did move about 1%. Tradeable but didn't exactly make loads of money.
But I do remember Sept 2002. In percentage terms that was the best day I ever had. Pity I'd only been trading a month and my pot was so small :-)
Stan
- 16 Mar 2007 09:01
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Brought this back for interest.
Stan
- 16 Mar 2007 14:43
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Did anyone manage to profit from this today?
Stan
- 15 Jun 2007 09:56
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TTT.
Stan
- 21 Sep 2007 08:55
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Might be worth setting some cheeky limit orders I suppose. What do you think?
Big Al
- 21 Sep 2007 09:13
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indeed ;-)
Stan
- 21 Sep 2007 10:51
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4 set at about 3% lower but nothing filled. Oh well nothing ventured.
Anyone get any successes?
Howard0181
- 21 Sep 2007 12:10
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I shorted GOG in the auction...got a quick 18 points
Stan
- 21 Sep 2007 17:35
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Thanks H,
Well if thats all, this witching business seems a bit of a rub out.
splat
- 18 Apr 2008 09:49
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ttt
Kayak
- 19 Sep 2008 00:59
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Wonder how tomorrow's double witching will be affected by the inability to short financials. Hold onto your seats :-)
supermum
- 19 Sep 2008 18:20
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well... we all know now... and what a ride it was - I feel exhausted!
SM
Dil
- 19 Sep 2008 18:24
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Go and get bladdered sm .... you deserve it :-)
skinny
- 17 Feb 2012 10:11
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Be afraid!
skinny
- 17 Aug 2012 10:10
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Stan
- 17 Aug 2012 10:15
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I've set a rather optimistic limit sell for one of my holdings.. well you never know do you, nothing lost.
skinny
- 17 Aug 2012 10:17
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A bit of a damp squib these days - I set an OCO on the FTSE (as I always do) but haven't made much from it for ages.
Stan
- 17 Aug 2012 10:30
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Yes agree, never really had any successes with it, I just regard it as a flutter with no downside.
Seymour Clearly
- 17 Aug 2012 11:07
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I made a lot of money the one time it did go off the handle with some limit orders I'd set, purely by chance, not by planning, but haven't bothered in recent years, and have completely forgotten about it nowadays!
Bullshare
- 20 Aug 2012 10:33
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Certainly not as volatile as it used to be, which is a shame :-0)
Stan
- 21 Sep 2012 08:38
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Indeed Skinny, what time is it 10.30 ish. out time?
skinny
- 21 Sep 2012 08:38
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Normally @10:10-10:15 I think.
Stan
- 21 Sep 2012 08:40
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Thanks, worth setting a few optimistic limit orders I think.
skinny
- 21 Sep 2012 08:47
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Rude not to.
skinny
- 21 Sep 2012 10:16
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Hmmm - just bought the FTSE @5843.
skinny
- 21 Sep 2012 10:19
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BARC still in auction -
Stan
- 21 Sep 2012 10:28
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Well, any winners out there so far?
skinny
- 21 Sep 2012 10:31
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I'm up the FTSE (just)
Just short of 9m uncrossed on BARC @222.1, although I did see atrade for 235 go through.
Stan
- 21 Sep 2012 10:43
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The usual rub out for me today, although to be absolutely fair I didn't set my limits until 10.17am.. Doing other things this morning as you know Skinny and if other people have read the Traders side -):
skinny
- 21 Sep 2012 10:46
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Stan - the auction was largely over @10:15 - only exception (that I saw) was BARC.
Stan
- 21 Sep 2012 10:55
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When you say Auction that is presumable a separate element to the our witching hour theme, is that right?
skinny
- 21 Sep 2012 10:59
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Stan, my understanding (maybe too simplistic) is that All SETS stocks go into auction @10:10-10:15 as options expire - unless, like BARC, the auction is extended (as per auction rules).
Stan
- 21 Sep 2012 11:00
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Are right, thanks.
skinny
- 19 Oct 2012 10:12
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ttt
skinny
- 18 Jan 2013 10:13
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Stan
- 18 Jan 2013 18:11
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Anyone get any juicy jumps in SPs this morning with their D&TW?
skinny
- 19 Jan 2013 09:09
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Stan - I got filled FTSE short 6,167.75 and I saw VOD @167 to sell but wasn't quick enough.
skinny
- 15 Mar 2013 10:10
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skinny
- 19 Apr 2013 10:13
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Fred1new
- 19 Apr 2013 10:50
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Just when I thought she was dead and buried!
skinny
- 17 May 2013 10:11
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skinny
- 17 May 2013 10:15
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Quite a spike on the FTSE to over 6,700.
skinny
- 16 Aug 2013 10:10
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Stan
- 16 Aug 2013 13:57
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Any fireworks today? I've been out.
skinny
- 16 Aug 2013 13:58
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Yes - I bought the FTSE @6,455.
Stan
- 16 Aug 2013 14:01
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What just you? -):
skinny
- 16 Aug 2013 14:05
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I sold it it too! :-)
skinny
- 20 Sep 2013 08:18
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Be afraid! :-)
Stan
- 20 Sep 2013 12:25
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Any fireworks today? I've been out... Yes this is a re-run from last year.
skinny
- 20 Sep 2013 12:28
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A damp squib - I had a couple of FTSE limits in as per, but nothing filled.
Stan
- 20 Sep 2013 12:32
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Thanks, I missed nothing which seems to be par for the course.
skinny
- 15 Nov 2013 10:10
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skinny
- 20 Dec 2013 10:10
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skinny
- 17 Jan 2014 10:10
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jimmy b
- 17 Jan 2014 10:16
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Shame i can't buy and sell with the bid and offer on my page while this is going on i'd be a millionaire :)
skinny
- 17 Jan 2014 10:18
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The FTSE hit 6,844 - 10 short of my limit sell.
skinny
- 21 Feb 2014 08:38
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skinny
- 21 Mar 2014 10:12
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skinny
- 17 Apr 2014 10:12
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skinny
- 15 Aug 2014 10:10
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skinny
- 17 Oct 2014 10:12
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skinny
- 21 Nov 2014 08:46
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skinny
- 18 Dec 2014 09:53
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skinny
- 18 Dec 2014 10:12
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Make that tomorrow!!!
kimoldfield
- 18 Dec 2014 14:58
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Lol! :o)
skinny
- 19 Dec 2014 09:40
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Ok - definitely today!
kimoldfield
- 19 Dec 2014 12:29
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So it is! :o)
Stan
- 19 Dec 2014 21:32
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So how did it goes boys and girls, the usual damp squib was it?
skinny
- 21 Aug 2015 10:14
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skinny
- 21 Aug 2015 11:31
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:-)
These seem to be a non-event these days.
Stan
- 18 Dec 2015 23:38
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Triple Witching today apparently.
cynic
- 19 Dec 2015 09:05
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sure as hell someone put a hex on dow last night
jimmy b
- 15 Jan 2016 10:14
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Are we witching today ?
Edit ,no we are not of course it's wrong date.
Stan
- 15 Jan 2016 10:25
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skinny
- 15 Jan 2016 14:53
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jimmy b
- 15 Jan 2016 15:08
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Ok cheers skinny .
Stan
- 15 Jan 2016 16:07
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James seems to have Alf's syndrome today -):
Stan
- 17 Mar 2016 23:49
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It's a triple tomorrow chaps.
Bullshare
- 18 Mar 2016 09:49
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Could be a bit of unwinding of positions!
Stan
- 18 Mar 2016 10:48
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Nothing tripped in my lot, anyone else have any luck?
Bullshare
- 18 Mar 2016 11:34
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Was bargain hunting but nothing became really chaep !!
jimmy b
- 20 May 2016 10:12
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Today ...
Stan
- 20 May 2016 10:19
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You sure?
Stan
- 20 May 2016 10:32
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Yeah but that's on here.. not fair -):
Stan
- 20 May 2016 14:01
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Another damp squib then chaps or not?
jimmy b
- 15 Jul 2016 10:16
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Witching today.
skinny
- 15 Jul 2016 10:19
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skinny
- 16 Sep 2016 10:12
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skinny
- 21 Oct 2016 10:19
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skinny
- 16 Dec 2016 10:15
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skinny
- 16 Dec 2016 10:16
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skinny
- 15 Sep 2017 08:18
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skinny
- 16 Mar 2018 09:38
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skinny
- 20 Apr 2018 10:15
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skinny
- 15 Jun 2018 09:09
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skinny
- 21 Sep 2018 08:53
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skinny
- 18 Jan 2019 16:00
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skinny
- 15 Feb 2019 10:19
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A bit of action on the FTSE - spike on IG to 7231.6.