Hi Everyone,

To complement the new html stockwatch, we've just released a new version of the Trades page which provides a non-Java version of streaming. In addition there is a tidier layout and some more information on the page than before. For people having problems with the new version, there is still the option to choose the Java Streaming version on that page.

Please provide feedback of bugs etc.

Thanks
George

Nice to see the VWAP on there.

Great, looks very good and no bugs as yet.

How does one access the Trades pages via Java, though?
Can't see the option - e.g. as with the Stocks page, were
one is automatically connected via Java unless
one presses the yellow non-Java tag.

midknight: Select the option at the top that says Java Stream.

ALL: Java Stream has for now been included for backward compatibility, but at some point in future it will most likely be removed completely.

Worked it out now. I have to say the Java page
is compact. The new page seems to take up
a lot of the screen with the flashing price. Matter
of preference, I reckon! I hope one will have both choices, though.

The old page had a second leader board followed by a larger filter box, so the trades started at around the height.

PS: I note with the new page, one has to enter an
epic each time one accesses the page. With Java the old
epic is there until one changes it. That is/was an advantage,
imo.

Yes, that's a difference between java pages and php. I don't think it's something we will work to revert though.

Looks good.

All looks good but in words that a numpty can understand what is VWAP and how is it gauged with the numbers given.,.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volume-weighted_average_price

VWAP - Volume Weighed Average Price: this is a running mean average benchmark especially used by institutions. Calculated by adding up the pence traded for every transaction (price times shares traded) and then divided by the total shares traded for the day. The theory is that if you buy at a price lower than the VWAP. it is a good trade. An example would be of stock that had only twice in a day ,say 10,000 shares at 200p and 10,000 at 215p., the VWAP would be 207.5p.

Thank you George, very helpful.,.

Would it be at all possible to insert a small 1yr chart along side the epip? This would give a quick view of how a share had been doing in the past and give you an idea of where it might be going. Other than that, it works very well.,.

I like the VWAP. The only problem is if i dont get in below it ,it's going to ruin my evenings :)

It looks superb

Thanks

Any chance of adding VWAP as a column on the watchlist ? Would be very useful.

Another thing that would be very handy would be an ex dividend indicator......

The Trade Low value is not updating

Trade Hi value is not updating either - see STAN.

Mo06: There's no VWAP on the stream for stockwatch. It's available on the Level 2 stream.

I will look into the Trade Hi and Low values not updating. The figures at the top may not tally exactly with the table below because they are not updated live, rather polled every 15 seconds or so.

Mo06: By ex dividend indicator, do you mean a date, or a flag showing that today is an ex dividend date such as the N for news?

Just a flag showing Ex div today eg RIO & BLT.

Also the change value on the trades page for RIO is correct but wrong on the watchlist, which is odd...

Yes ......works great on my iMac.....!

Is L2 next...?

looking good, thanks for VWAP, makes life easier.

Mo06: Regarding ex dividend change prices, our static pages (i.e. ones that use our database for prices) show change based on yesterday's close. However the streaming data uses what is provided in real time by our supplier. They base change on the adjusted close. If you look at Google Finance, I think they do the same. We don't use adjusted close in our database, so it's a bit confusing as to what is correct.

No way of looking at highest and earliest trades, as before.
Also, Java does not allow filtering time.

midknight: I can assure that no functionality has been removed. Only additions have been made. If you are unsure how to do something, please ask.
1) Filter by time (as before). Then click the column header of the one you want to sort by. All previous sortable options are there, just no longer in a drop down box.
2) Java has never allowed filtering by time. This functionality hasn't changed.

George, how do I find e.g. earlest trades or highest trades?
That is what I was alluding to. Thanks.

midknight:
1) Choose the Time Filtered option and select a time period to filter by and click GO.
2) For earliest trade, click on the Time column to sort it ascending.
3) For high quantity click Qty.

For the highest trades by price it doesn't look like you can do that right now. I don't think that was on the site before but we can add it.

Any reason why the times of trades seem to be all over the place? I was looking at HSD.

I notice that sometimes, some kind of an event happens and a whole block of the page goes black.

Care to offer an explanation?

ExecLine: When new trades come in, they flash black. If the connection is disrupted and reconnected, the same thing will happen. On the Java trade app only the top row flashes black so it's less noticeable. However, if 10 new trades are added at the same time, you will only see 1 row flash, whereas with the new version, all 10 rows will flash.

Balerboy: I guess the trades were provided to us in that order. It's the same display if you look at the new Live Stream version or the Java Stream version, so it's a data issue rather than one specific to the new html streaming trades.

Have we lost the ability to order trades by size?

edit> worked it out now. Maybe rename 'time filtered' to 'filtered'?

ExecLine: I've released a patch regarding the flashing.

martinl2: You can only filter by time. You can sort by other fields once it's filtered but there is no other filtering other than by time.

Thank you george.,.

Hmmm? Black Flashers, you say?

Here's the nearest example I could find:



Hmmm? Anyhow, 'Ta', George.

Morning George,

Clicked on the trade button on stockwatch for Fogl and Kcom just now and athough they are both showing trades this morning, after waiting at least 20 seconds no trades appeared, only 'connecting'.

Edit......Just gave them another try, no luck after over 2 minutes, only change 'now states unconnected'.

Greek.

Morning Greek,

Sorry, I just got in the office so I don't know if this has corrected itself for you, but for me I added both to my stockwatch and clicked the T and both opened streaming trades straight away. Are you having problems with other stocks too?

George

The Trade Low & Trade High are still not updating on the trades page, AAL for example showing high of 1547.50 vs a trade high of 1562 on my Stockwatch.

Hi George,

No prob as it appears to have corrected itself. Trades now appear almost instant.

Some changes deployed:

1) Fixed non updating Trade Hi / Low
2) Added sort by Price
3) Changed text from Time Filtered to Filter/Sort
4) Reduced frequency of updating price summary panel (due to load issues)
5) Row's don't flash black when first connecting to stream
6) Fixed Buy-Sell gauge size for mobile devices
7) Fixed bug where low transaction stocks repeat same trades in the list.

Very good , much better then the old layout . Best I have seen.

Thank you aldwickk! The most positive man here.

Any chance of reducing the amount of vertical space taken up by the header on the trades page ?

The actual trades list is roughly half way down the page.

midknight, mo06: Here's is a screenshot of the old vs the new trade pages. You both mentioned the information at the top pushing the trades further down the page. However what we have done is utilised that space better than before with useful information and there are 2 less adverts on the page.

is the mini 1yr chart a no go along side your indicator george?

I don't think we can fit it inside the info panel above the trades because the space gets used up if a stock has very large numbers. However, potentially it could go in the side panel. I was thinking of adding a list of top 10 stocks trading above their monthly average volumes on the right. Maybe broker views could be removed.

From my point of view, i would find it useful to have a quick view of past performance when looking at a new share to me, thats all everything else is great.,.

I think these things are available on the Shareprice page, but I'll see if we can fit a chart widget to this page.

Apart from everything nice a clear on the new system it also looks very professional.

Thank you george.,.

Thanks. I'm really pleased with the new page and am sure it will continue to improve. It looks so much nicer than the old version. Also, it works on any modern browser, unlike Java streaming. So you can use it on a phone or tablet too.

Your Volume weighted average price is suspect ,look at QPP this morning the vwap is 38p yet the stock has not touched 38 once ,why is that ??

Jimmy, this is an official VWAP figure provided directly by the data supplier. We can pass your query on if you think it is wrong. It's the same data that we have always provided on the level 2 page.

I hate to nit pick George it's just that i noticed that this morning as i looked at QPP trades

George,the brokers' updates on the Trades pages
are up-to-date and an excellent addition.

Yes they are midknight a very good addition .

George what happened to the unknown trades total alongside the buys and sells ?

Jimmy, the feed documentation states the VWAP as the following:

Volume-weighted average price, as reported by LSE.
Includes these trade types:
Ordinary trade
Automatic trade
Uncrossing trade
Ordinary trade with Delayed publication
Negotiated trade
Negotiated trade with delayed publication
Closing price crossing trade

Unknown trades are now just summarised at the top to allow more space for a clearer view of the remaining data.

Yes George i didn't think of that "delayed trade " . Thanks .

I'm not sure I like the chosen shades of Red and Blue in the 'Qty' and 'B/S' columns in the picture to the RHS.

They are not blatantly easy to identify and it takes me a short second to acclimatise my eyes to them. Or is it the background?

(Sorry about the double picture of the gif)

Yes, the colour shades are less bright than on the previous version. They are now in line with the colours used on the Shareprice page. As pages are updated we will try to use a standard scheme. Stockwatch colours will also go this way at some point.

Is it just me or does the price feed ALWAYS freeze when US payrolls are released.....?

As you're improving the trades page, is there any chance we could have the actual trade prices given, rather than rounding to decimal places? This applies to stockwatch too.

One thing - the red/blue meter does not update unless I click on the GO button.

dell314: We are working on this change.

Mo06: Yes, that's correct, the gauge doesn't update after the page is loaded.

I have been having the same infrequent problem re connecting then not connected,(on IE) but on refreshing it always connects quickly.

More for info, as very infrequent problem.

Greek, forget IE, go to crome or firefox cope's with everything.,.

Greek, Baler is right about Firefox speed. You could
downlaod Firefox and keep IE as well. I have them both now
but still use IE for most sites, as some things are superior imo
e.g. having the favouries dropdown with the bar at the
top of the favourites column for immediate access to sites
one uses often. Firefox does not seem to match that with
its bookmarks, or if it does I have not found it anywhere.
I find its alphabetical list is a nuisance.
But for accessing the MAM stockwatch page it is superb.

Thanks to both, will try firefox, as still having problems re trades on IE.

Morning George,

Still having problems with trades, see post 69 and the problem is now more frequent, I use IE.

I have seen the suggestions re Firefox but I have an old laptop that has very little space left so want to resist loading Firefox as my machine already struggles a bit.

Suggestions re trades on IE or will I have to load Firefox.

Edit..........Just tried again and trades came up immediately after lots of probs earlier, strange or what.

free up some space by getting rid of the porn pics greek........ just a suggestion ;)

Lol (did make me smile though).

Been using the Non java trades page for a while. Two observations:-

1. Seems to take longer to load than the Java version, and sometimes seems "sticky" with long periods "connecting".

2. The red for the sells doesn't stand out as well as on the Java version. I see the point has already been mentioned, but I also do find the non java colours have better contrast. The non java version is more a maroon I would say. Why not keep the existing colour tones in the new format across the board?

.

55011 makes some valid points. I experience the same.

Some thoughts: The previous dropdown menu to access
earliest or highest volume trades etc. was imo far
superior and much quicker than the present
time-consuming process of entering what one
wants manually, which in any case is not
explained adequately on the trades page. I don't
use this as I never get what I want.

One further point.

Hitherto when the trades page timed out, a click on "trades" brought it back - as was. Now the EPIC has to be re-input each time to get the trades to show.

55011: That has already been mentioned by
a few of us, but George and his team think the
new system is an improvement. Can't see why and how!
Ah, well.

I also think the new format and system is an improvement and once the few teething troubles are sorted, it will be better than ever.

Hi greekman. If you are using IE8, you will see a world of improvement by changing your browser, and that's not just on our site. Your entire internet experience will be enhanced. I can't recommend changing away from IE strongly enough.

55011: As you saw, the colours have been mentioned before. It's a design issue so the feedback has been passed on and maybe it will be changed across the board. I do agree that it's not as vivid now, but I'm sure you understand that as this site has been built over time, it's has become a bit of a mishmash of styles so we are trying to fix this.

Regarding connection times, in our experience the new version is always faster. Are you using an old browser? We also never see it hanging on Connecting. Do you have a proxy server or firewall that could be breaking the connection? When this happens, have you also brought up the java version and seen that working ok? If not, maybe you also have the problem with Java. We are interested in debugging connection issues.

Next issue, yes, it no longer automatically enters the last EPIC code you entered last. There are several places to click that will prefill the trade epic though such as the T on stockwatch. However if you click Trades in the main menu it offers a fresh page. This reduces wait times, unnecessary connections and you having to delete a code that you didn't intend to look at. If you just want to refresh the page while you are on it, don't click Trades but press F5 to refresh. If you are a free user getting redirected via contention, you can try clicking back in your browser but that may not work.

midknight: I understand you are not happy with the new page but I'll explain why we think it is an improvement.

1) It works on the following devices that previously it would not work on: Apple mac less than v10.7.3, ipad, iphone and all android devices.
2) We spend less time doing desktop support for customers who cannot get their Java working, telling people to clear caches, cookies, uninstall, reinstall, upgrade, login, logout etc.
3) There is more information on the page than there used to be
4) There are less adverts on the page than there used to be
5) The design looks more modern overall.

You mentioned 'time-consuming process of entering what one wants manually'. You don't need to do this. Just click the filter option, leave the defaults and click GO. Then click the column header you want to sort on.

Allowing the sorting to be done on column header click brings it in line with other applications. It also makes it much easier to add ascending and descending sorting to any column should we wish to without having a long list to choose from. It also was confusing because it previously hinted you could filter on the live stream, which you could not.

Also, why hit the trades button again when it times out? if you use the back button on the browser it refreshes what youv'e just been looking at as on the stock watch page.

Thanks for the input, George. As Greek says,
on the whole the Trades page is a vast improvement
with all the new features. Will try what you say
with the epics

Have a good day and weekend.

Currently unable to get the VOD trades page to show in this format. Switch to Java and it comes up instantly.

Chears George, convinced now to try Firefox.

55011,

I can see vod with no problems - what happens when you try it - do you get any kind of error?

Ian

It shows "connecting", after a little while "connecting" changes to "not connected".

(If the price moves then the price in the upper left hand corner changes).

Switch to java and up it comes - perfect.

It is not just VOD, GBO and OEX the same.


In reply to your earlier point. The new trades has worked since it was introduced, with the caveat I mentioned earlier.

I am only really interested in the trades themselves. Other data may be of passing interest but need not be shown every time. Why is all the broker info shown, for example, when it already appears on the page you get after clicking on the epic in Stockwatch? It has nothing to do with current trades.

System wise. Yes I am on WIN7/IE8 which is otherwise OK for me. Also using an older version of Java, which is performing OK for me. It only occasionally puts up a query flag and that is therefore not an issue.

On another older machine I sometimes use that is set up with WIN XP/Firefox (latest non-beta), the slowness of loading is much worse. However in fairness that machine is on its limit as resource monitoring shows the CPU at or near 100% most of the time, and with IE8 it is even worse, regularly sticking.

55011: I agree with you absolutely about Trades. I am also interested
only in the Trades. The rest is incidental and even after
the comments of George today, I think the old way of accessing
trades and the dropdown features were far superior and far
quicker for those interested only in Trades. I hardly
ever look at the rest of the stuff. I think you and I
have lost out.

55011: On Win 7 you can't have IE8 so you must have IE9, 10 or 11. Can you find out which you have please. Do you also have any other browsers such as Chrome? Chrome has superior debugging options to IE.

I'm on XP and firefox no problems with any page,

George,

It is as I stated, but to be more specific - it is Windows 7 Pro. And IE8.

I've never tried Chrome.

Re post 85, the trades did start working again later in the afternoon.

55011 One's got ask why your on i.e.8 when there's 3 better updates?

Bb,

Pretty much a blend of inertia and the devil I know!

On top of which the set up generally works pretty well and does what I need elsewhere.

55011: Sorry, I stand corrected. I thought they shipped Window 7 with IE9 because IE8 is old (released 5 years ago). My own first W7 machines came with IE9. Anyway, we don't really support IE8 because it is I'm sorry to say, old and rubbish! It has a terrible javascript engine that is too slow to run modern websites including our streaming services. An upgrade is the only viable option.

George,

Agreed. The Win 7 /IE8/latest Java update/MAM "java based pages" was getting very bad. The reversion to older java (v25 -I think) was my workaround for that.

I see there is an IE11 now. Maybe first I will try your new screens with Firefox and Win7 and just see how that compares for MAM.

It seems to me that in general use, Firefox v IE (or others) is more a matter of what layout one is generally accustomed to.......

I might also make a general point to add to what I mentioned earlier about data other than trades on the new "trades" page, that I mostly use a mobile broadband PAYG arrangement. So I am concious of a sense of waste if I have to download repetitively stuff I really don't need to see.

And just to round off, I was watching Oilex (OEX) this morning using both old and new trades pages. I noted that the VWAP figure was sometimes showing "5" when there had not even been any trades as high as that figure - never mind an an average!

Cheers.....

guys in the sales team have uploaded this video
All i can see is a black box at the side of the page ,maybe because am not using google chrome , so why not try a different browser