What's a forum without people posting, some friendly banter and opposing views. By MAMs decision to remove the above posters we now have less views and these forums have lost their humour and rich content. I say bring back GF and DB immediately.

Please post your support if you agree?

shortie - you know where my feelings lie .....

unfortunately, GF allowed himself to be goaded by DB and others, rose to the bait and really got very silly indeed
in that respect, it can be easily argued that he over-stepped the house rules
that said, he did not become racist or similar, which can quickly put someone completely beyond the pale

to the best of my knowledge, GF has not been hauled in front of the beak previously
to my mind, and at least as importantly, his contributions are generally very useful and constructive and his CHARTS thread regularly made interesting reading

should GF have been give a yellow card and sent to the sin bin to dwell on his sins for a while?
yes

did his indiscretions warrant a straight red card?
no

Nearly every time there is trouble on these boards it involves Gf. Then, when things go against him he runs to an authority figure to back him up, threatening legal action to anyone who crosses him. Live by the sword, die by the sword, imo.

DB Yes, GF No I agree with HARRYCAT.

Shortie

It went way past friendly banter and opposing views , and there was plenty of warnings from moneyAM

cynic

goldfinger used many usernames mainly on other BB to trash threads throw abuse at anybody who didn't agree with him , but couldn't take it himself and went over the top with his abuse, cockney rebel is a well respected poster , goldfinger used one of his user names to abuse him.

I would like to see GF back, but less certain about DB4, (8-)) but the squelch button is open to all and the majority are responsible for their own feelings and thoughts and to whether they are provoked or not by the postings.

Also, the Charts and Nowt threads were initiated by GF and not as appealing without either's inputs.

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Now there are the following who would merit the ----------------------------

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Just had a thought, DB4 and GF aren't aliases for Ian and the bull.

aldwickk-"cockney rebel is a well respected poster"- nearly spilt my coffee!

So what you are saying Fred is that anyone can say what they want and it is up to the individual to exercise the squelch button? How is that going to work?

aldo - i cannot comment about other BBs as i subscribe to none of them ..... however, it is certainly true that GF was far too over-sensitive at times, though his pique rarely lasted long - having been a target, i know all too well :-)

to my mind, GF's great saving grace is that many of his CHART contributions were well researched and thought out, and unquestionably consumed a lot of his time for no personal return (i think)

I have been subjected to plenty of abuse on these forums, as a shorter equity holders can get quite upset when you short their beloved stock.... That said we all have a squelch button and know how to use it. I don't feel GF or DB's actions were aimed at anyone except each other and to remove GF as a whole with all his contributions I feel isn't on.

Lets see how long these forums last if everyone stops posting Technical Analysis Charts that many members follow. People will soon move to other investment forums. I feel MAM have bitten off their nose to spite their face with this one.

There will be no further charts or technical analysis posted from me until this is concluded to the benefit of MAM members.

banjomick

I don't read CR's thread's often maybe he was ok the times i have read his postings and mike [ goldie ] was , well true to form and throwing abuse about

".....until this is concluded to the benefit of MAM members." ......... it's possible that most members are against.

a bit harsh Shortie, though i very much hope the management will listen

cynic - stop being an ald woman and shut up for five seconds, give posters a chance to vote.

Harry,

Simply.

I had a skirmish or two over my observations on some threads.

One thread I initiated on "Palestine and Israel" and another on "McCanns", I thought some posters were being deliberately offensive and after a while found it easier to use the squelch button rather being tempted to respond at the level they considered appropriate.

Can't say I missed their posts.

I think if posters don't gets the response which rewards them then they may change.

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If the remarks are libellous and thought to serious enough to warrant action, then it is up to the individual.

But an old lawyer's advice is that "it is better to ignore the insults and avoid the courts when possible".

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We are all entitled to our own opinions and craziness and to "voice them".

If that's really the case Harry then I'll spend my time posting my research elsewhere with other like minded individuals.

Its time consuming enough with all the generic crap posted on these forums, filtering out the good stuff, without losing those people that contribute worthwhile ideas in the first place.

Two posters I have always got on very well with. I do not post on other Boards, so not my problem what goes on, on them. Very far from pleasant what has been said on some of the threads on moneyam . I would hope DB and GF read the Foxtons (FOXT) thread and hope they would agree some pretty distasteful/disgusting words have been said and pictures placed on the thread, do serious investors want to read these abusive arguments and should they have too ? Yes I would like to see them posting the good and sensible posts we are used to on here. Do not know the way forward ?

"...with all the generic crap posted on these forums." That's the difference between Traders and Investors, surely? Some people want a 15 min price chart, some want a 1 year chart. Maybe the two don't mix on the same Forum then?

Maybe a cool down period is required of say 48hrs in these cases then.

It would seam more appropriate to me.

Some people seem to be willing to put up with abuse on here so that they can copy trade goldie, thats ok but come out and say it , don't hide behind your willingness to have him back is not to make money

Democracy rules, ok! Ok? Um.............,well maybe! :o)

you're not allowed to vote twice ..... electoral fraud!

As Shortie says it seems to be one rule for some and not others, so suggest from now on that all people who post abusive posts against other posters get "a warning" and are then banned for a month if they transgress.

Once back if they transgress again it's a two month ban and so on... that will sort them out.

All in favour say yes.

Shortie

RE -There will be no further charts or technical analysis posted from me until this is concluded to the benefit of MAM members.

What is good for you maybe NOT good for others, but my experience says "do not understimate your opponent", so no threats

10 days for starters ..... but "abuse" within reason is ok and if it dies quickly - ie no more than handbagging

Trust Alf to find something wrong with it -):

So who's broadly in favour of my suggestion?

My time reading of threads from " Goldfinger " is not good as he goes over the TOP and if necesary will hunt you down with "LIES" to get other believe his point ( I have prove )

Worse yet at "ADVFN" where his antics are really out of order and going on for years

So the conclution is not only one off, in this case is very difficut to change your long term behaviour


"Doodlebug " I do not have so much to go by, though I think is more a "piss taker" than anything else mainly directed to the other GF were as far as I see comes from arguments mainly at other places

thats 4 neys 3 ayes, and 2 don't knows and 1 mediator (stan)

an interesting observation indeed from mentor!

How do you work that out BB, only 3 including yourself have commented since my post.

AYE AYE AYE

YES YES YES YES


That make 10/4 + Stan's

-):

No NO NO No No NO NO NO!! :0)

...Any more for any more then -):

in a way, many have not quite answered the question, that being should GF (and DB by default) have been red carded as opposed to yellow?

you may or may not like one or other of the characters, or indeed some of their comments, but does that therefore mean we should have an anodyne board where everyone is frightfully nice?

There are rules/guidelines in place that all posters should adhere to, any transgressions should be stamped on by MAM at the earliest opportunity with a warning as to future behaviour. The problem here as I see it was that the abuse which resulted in GF and DB4's removal was allowed to continue for far too long.
From a personal view I would like to see both back. We are all responsible adults and should behave as such, for those who are irritating there is the squelch button. That's my feelings aired.
2517

"As Shortie says it seems to be one rule for some and not others, so suggest from now on that all people who post abusive posts against other posters get "a warning" and are then banned for a month if they transgress.

Once back if they transgress again it's a two month ban and so on... that will sort them out.

All in favour say yes."

I'll say yes Stan - but what are the rules/guidelines? And as George asks - when is enough, enough?

I'll say yes to anything after a few Scotches. So that's a yes then! :o) Hic!

Office party.

Hasn't happened yet, just practising! :oD

Seriously though, whatever is happening behind the scenes, I hope it is resolved quickly with no hard feelings and a return to normality (whatever that is!).

"when is enough, enough?"

Well Skinny, It would be up to the discretion of Ian and Mike I.E. a warning first and then a month in the slammer as outlined above.

3 months community service!

Yeah, they must come and do my gardening for starters... we live on a 1 in 2 site -):

I think we should all follow TANKERS example , who states his point of view in a calm and polite way and doesn't offend anyone.

Isn't this all out of our hands? Gf said that his legal representatives were dealing with it. MAM then effectively said all is now 'Sub judice'. I can't see it matters what we think until that is resolved.
Not sure about db4. Presumably wrong place, wrong time?

George - an excellent and sensible post (36)

As you know we are very patient and very very tolerant with posters. In the 12 years we have been going, I can count on one hand those we have banned. We have a team of moderators who kindly keep an eye on the boards, so sometimes you will miss some of the more choice crap that’s posted as we remove it before most of you wake up!

We like free speech but when the enjoyment of others is impaired by individuals and they go beyond what is reasonable, we take action, as we have done in this case.

We did have a yellow card and a red card system in place but to be honest we never needed to use it because the posters themselves normally see off the rebels. In a sense the board self moderates, we occasionally intervene with warnings both public to them on the BB’s and in private by email.

We have a good squelch button which does work but it only works when you squelch someone and don’t turn them back on again 5 minutes later. Some say they squelch a user and then instantly comment on the squelched users post, very odd!

One of the users we banned this week decided to completely trash our BB’s over a weekend which meant our Moderators and myself spent a good part of the weekend watching their antics. Goes with the job I suppose.

Sometimes individual egos get bigger than our boards, so it’s time for them to go and never return.

B .... i would fully concur that the pair of them became totally ridiculous and tiresome in their antics ..... however, one of the perpetrators - oh GF for goodness sake! - was actually a very long term, useful and interesting contributor except when in one of his sillier moods

that said, there have been far worse serial offenders from the point of view of racism and the like, and assuredly it is not unknown for them to be re-admitted to the fold (more than once!)

though no name should be considered bigger than the game (the board), i think that this place will be very much the poorer without GF's presence

i am fully aware that a number of people would not agree with me, but i very much hope that you will reconsider and, perhaps with a further cooling off period, allow them back (it would be unreasonable to allow one without the other) albeit under strict licence .....

as you said, the members are usually most effective policemen

..... but not in this case???????????

55011 - no, but that is something of a red herring insofar as members cannot (surprise surprise) delete another's post

Be that as it may.

I say, let Mr Boydells' ruling stand.

I agree, not exactly a rush to get GF reinstated was there. Democracy rules :0)

Well since his ban i have had a couple of emails back and forth with Goldfinger .

I always got on well with him and when i first arrived here more than 10 years ago he was always helpful where i was concerned .

Trashing threads is wrong without doubt and it seemed out of character for him to do that .

For me he was always one of the better posters ,there are some supposedly hot shots on here who wouldn't give you the time of day .
As for arguing on the internet i can't see the point , you can never get to punch the person annoying you so why bother .

chris - how valuable to the site do you feel DB was? .... you don't really need to answer!
:-)

55011 - is this an alter ego for a member whom we might all know?

55,

Have spilt your old ale again?

arguably only fred is older than me on this site, but i would be more than happy to act as Father of the House and try to keep a lid on GF's excesses .... there's a small chance GF will listen to me (DB assuredly will not)

What time were they having this row?

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When you think you are important put you finger in a bowl of water and notice the hole you leave when you take it out.

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But, the charts thread was interesting to me, often put the larger companies in my to watch portfolio and personally never found GF offensive to me. But I do wish he would think a shade or two longer before hitting the Key board.

Sad for me.

No "old ale" Fred, the stuff doesn't stay on the shelf long enough.

Can't see Stan offering to push the boat out anytime soon, seeing as his computer is maxed out..........

Still, as long as the market rises all should come good!

fred - you really are getting senile ..... i do wish you would think a shade or two longer before hitting the keyboard :-)

Quite disappointing the number of posters and READERS that have expressed a view on here . Many seem willing to read the threads put up By GF that have been very good . I can tell by the counters on the threads I have introduced to the site that there are many more readers than contributors. This thread has been up a day or so and I am disappointed in the numbers willing to stand up for GF and db4. Even if nothing comes of it , do regular readers of the sites not owe something back ?

Makes me wonder if I ever came close to a ban on the ASC "ASOS" thread with all the abuse Tomasz and I threw at each other!!

I think that's the only person I've ever had handbags at 5m with!

Here, here dreamcatcher on the above... GF mainly traded equities where as I mainly trade indices and currency so can say I never followed his posts from an investment perspective. However as we both chart, we share a common interest.. An interest I feel will now be lost on MAM..

Extinction I would think!

cynic - Nothing against DB, he was never offensive to me or anybody else as far as i am aware. I did take his side against GF freely admit.

If anybody is in any doubt re GF and his odd ball ways check out FOXT thread. Start on page 6. For confirmation check out same thread across the road where he posts as mike740. The logic of de-ramping a stock when not even trading it is lost on me, throw in personal abuse against DB on this thread and both DB and CR across the road and you may change your mind. Not to mention multiple user names (who have conversations). DYOR this is not a one off. Do you really want this board to go the same way?

Apart from the above what sort of mental state would drive you to trash number of threads on here because posters disagreed with your point of view?

Gf asked me post this from email to me.

Anyway Ive seen Mikes final decision and thought hes not getting off that lightly, so Ive sent him this reply, PLEASE copy it on the board I take full responsibility for it. And just to say a massive big thankyou for your considerable efforts. I wish you the very best going forward. Make loads err money.

Heres my reply to Mike sent 10 minutes ago.........


Dear Mike,

this is what you have posted on a money am thread.

Bullshare Send an email to Bullshare View Bullshare's profile - 04 Feb 2015 14:14 - 48 of 48

As you know we are very patient and very very tolerant with posters. In the 12 years we have been going, I can count on one hand those we have banned. We have a team of moderators who kindly keep an eye on the boards, so sometimes you will miss some of the more choice crap that’s posted as we remove it before most of you wake up!

We like free speech but when the enjoyment of others is impaired by individuals and they go beyond what is reasonable we take action as we have done in this case.

We did have a yellow card and a red card system in place but to be honest we never needed to use it because the posters themselves normally see off the rebels. So in a sense the board self moderates, we occasionally intervene with warnings both public to them on the BB’s and in private by email.

We have a good squelch button which does work but it only works when you squelch someone and don’t turn them back on again 5 minutes later. Some say they squelch a user and then instantly comment on the squelched users post, very odd!!

One of the users we banned this week decided to completely trash our BB’s over a weekend which meant our moderators and myself spent a good part of the weekend watching their antics. Goes with the job I suppose.

Sometimes individual egos get bigger than our boards, so it’s time for them to go and never return...............ends


Well Id like to reply to you and point out some inaccuracies in your post.

You say you have never had to use your yellow card/red card system, wrong, you issued myself and a poster called outsider both a yellow card when you started that system and the board was moderated in them days to a far better standard, our spat was nipped in the bud immediatly and ended.

Secondly my trashing of bulletin board threads was born out of frustration and retaliation to the NON moderation of the Bulletin/Board. I see you fail to mention that you did not give me any protection from the trashing of the Chart Thread from a gang of 3 posters, Chris Carson, Doodlebug4 , and aldwick. I used to spend many hours working into the small hours of the morning updating that thread using picks from a stock filter and all the verification work needed afterwards.

This trashing went on for two and a half months and Ian received several HELP e-mails from me but each time I was fobbed off and asked to use the filter button which I did, but as you know if you were out on the boards posters can by deception get around this by asking leading questions to other posters that involve the person with the filter button on. Ask Haystack, he as pointed this out in the past.

I was also subject to trolling from two of these posters Chris Carson and Doodlebug4, they followed me to every thread that I went to and made rude and nasty comments about me.

Now you say you use 5 Moderators????????????????? where on earth were they when I needed them?. A quick slap behind the ear would have nipped everything in the bud, but ohhh no they were no where to be seen. Do they really exist?.

You say this in your post above....."One of the users we banned this week decided to completely trash our BB’s over a weekend which meant our moderators and myself spent a good part of the weekend watching their antics.

"................watching, watching their antics, do you not think at least one of you moderators should have intervened, why else are they moderating a bulletin board?. Are they just there to twiddle there thumbs, or do you not have this manpower as I suggest?.

Why is the poster mentor .....aka Master RSI.........banned 3 times previously now again posting at will, and for days on end, why was doodlebug4 allowed to post with another handle until I used my other legitimate handle from a former employer (security reasons and cleared by Ian)pointed him out on his second day of posting. It was clear to a blind man that it was him. What were you board moderators doing?.

I also admit in hindsight when I look back at the thread, that I went well over the top when proving that doodlebug4 had lied misled and fradulently made his claims on the FLYB thread. I bring your attention to this part of the CONTENT STANDARDS which he clearly breached......................

Contributions must:
Be accurate where they state facts
Be genuinely held where they state opinions
Comply with applicable law in any country from which they are posted
and..........
Be likely to deceive any person;
Be likely to harass, upset, embarrass, alarm or annoy any other person;
And I also took exception to your post here............ on the bugs thread........

Bullshare Send an email to Bullshare View Bullshare's profile - 30 Jan 2015 11:46 - 52 of 147

jimmyb; It became unreadable with all the rubbish on there. Feel free to start a new thread.........................ends

Rubbish Rubbish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I spent a good half day proving Doodlebug had lied through his teeth........more to the point WHERE were YOUR MODERATORS when these deceptive posts (that I had pointed out)were being constructed??????.

And as for your summing up ..........."individual egos get bigger than our boards" ends..... Totaly untrue Im one of the most caring and humble people you could ever wish to meet.

I conclude by saying that it think you and your admin team have miss managed this situation, I dont know wether that is because of lack of resources or wether its just rank poor management, Id like to think its the former having been a member here from more or less day one.

Ive enjoyed my time on money and made many freinds but have found recently standards have slipped and can only think it is indeed lack of resources. If you had communicated with posters on the board Im sure like myself I would have volunteered duties for free.

I wish you the best going forward but cant help but feel upset and bitter towards your actions too me.

Regards mick aka goldfinger.

ps, I think you should post my reply on the board if your a fair decent man which I took you to be. And by the way doodlebug4 as set up a duplicate thread on advfn with all the posts copied in full, he will no doubt be posting your comments and comments after your decision, not much of a nice person ehh.

And on a final note from myself, good luck with your investments all.

I no longer wish to be a part of these forums...

Good Luck Shortie, join ADVFN and please do your own research. See you back on here within a week.

shortie - i shall be very very sorry to see you depart ..... i hated advfn when i visited there for 20 minutes a few years ago, as there was just interminable personal abuse flying around

chris - your allegiance as DB's puppy has been abundantly obvious for quite a while, so your posts here were no surprise at all

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for myself, i am bitterly disappointed with a great many aspects of the way the management has handled this whole affair, including the inaction of the moderators ..... with effective and efficient management all this could and should have been stopped in its infancy

GF is indeed a total arsehole at times and his conduct can be pretty reprehensible, and i have told him as much .... however, he was most certainly not alone (and yes, i probably got a bit over-excited for a while too)

it's a great shame that GF kept rising to the bait laid out specifically for him by DB and several other advfn refugees

It's my plug.

No it isn't.

It's my bath then.

Al-right then.

Dad.

What?

OOOOOH!

Why not put the plug back in and then we can all have bath and think about it!

Manuel.

You shouldn't have to ADVFN who you were!

i was there about 4 years ago fred, nd the abuse was not aimed at me but whoever was around on that site at the time

All the best Shortie. :-((

cynic - And your reliance on GF as your personal stock picker has been just as obvious. Guess you will have to find another guru, good luck :0)

Cant you all kiss and make up?

DB and GF in purdah, and now shortie's thrown his dummy out of the pram as well.


How about an independent adjudicator who will set things to right?




Hilary in drag

chris - for the most part i play with the indices as does shortie ... i am also well aware that you have continued to mispresent what i have posted here on advfn ... no doubt you got a nice pat on the head and perhaps a biscuit

cynic - Think what you like old bean. But assuredly you have that wrong. Chin Chin!!

I've been on the MoneyAM web site since it was first kicked off.

I asked, actually suggested just a day or so ago, that we have some moderators appointed on here.

I was truly gobsmacked when Bullshare posted up that the site actually does have some (5?) and has had since day 1 back in 2003.

IMHO, these so called moderators, if indeed they do exist, need their arses kicking for doing such a crap job.

IMHO, they have:

1. Let the whole Goldfinger/Doodlebug4/Chris Carson/Aldwick/Master RSI thing get completely out of hand and haven't intervened soo enough or in a proper manner. Indeed, do they ever? There is masses of abuse on here. It is almost the norm and where the hell the line has been drawn, to say what is and what is not acceptable is anyone's guess, included importantly, apparently the management's guess too!

2. The moderators have acted in such a non-existant and silent 'behind the scenes' manner, that no one even knows they exist. After 11 years or more on here I'm damn sure I for one didn't know about them.

3. I do think it is a great pity when a board contributor, of such high value as Goldfinger has been, gets so damn frustrated by other posters and the lack of good MoneyAM management or moderator support, that he decides to throw a complete wobbly and take matters into his own hands by trashing threads. But that is what happens and what you get with such crap moderation. Utterly crazy frustration!

4. Add to this the fact, that Management showing their face around the place is also a bit of a rarity, and you have a recipe for a bit of a disaster - and we've had one.

So 'Yes', I would like to see Goldfinger back posting on here and given a Yellow Card instead of a complete ban.

And I would like to see some ACTIVE and OPEN moderator posting on here too.

I think we have:

Ian
George
Bullshare

So that's three. Two of them are 'techies'. One is an extremely busy guy, indeed. If there are five moderators who are the other two?

Hmmm? I guess one died a while ago. I do forget his name and apologise for it and I know him to have been a founder member (but I don't forget his shotgun skills). I'm sure some of you will know who I mean?

And then there are Martini and Gausie, Bullshare's mates.

Have I got them all? That's two techies, the boss and a couple of his mates. So no wonder we have had some problems, eh?

by the way, moderators get paid, unlike school governors

chris - i have the transcripts from advfn and of course of what i actually wrote here ... others might call you a liar, but i wouldn't dream of casting such aspersions

cynic - I'm sorry not going to play whatever game you and the fruit loop have now come up with. Many thanks for the e-mail by the way, you really are desperate. :0)

unlike GF, i do not get goaded let alone easily riled xxx

Ditto xxx

Execline; We indeed have moderators (5 unpaid BB users plus 4 staff) who do a fantastic job. You only see 10% of the issues we have as the moderators remove postings and posters before most have the chance to see it. In fact the moderators acted on Sunday and removed some postings on the very subject you are all debating.

I think you are being totally unfair with comments you make about them, but they and us (management) are pretty thick skinned despite the raft of abusive emails and content we receive continually.

You must appreciate in all cases where we have had to ban people there is lot more going on behind the scenes by email and in some case lawyers, yes we have even had death threats in the distant past.

You have been around the bulletin boards long enough to know that people come and go, always disappointing to see some posters go but that's life.


Mike

Death threats Bullshare ?? that's a bit drastic !!!!

Exec.

I was aware moderators and interventions.

Agree with some of P 81 mainly;

So 'Yes', I would like to see Goldfinger back posting on here and given a Yellow Card instead of a complete ban.



The problem which MM may be wary of is when a poster is suggesting the "threat" of taking legal advice and the costs surrounding the unlikely possibility of "actions" or the
pain in the arse of preparing for such.

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To me the skirmishes between DB4 and GF remind me of my kids (all girls) when they were about 4 - 7 complaining that when they were passing on the stairs from one floor to the the other that one blew on the other.

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I think it would be possible for the participants to "grow" up, recognise that neither party is physically bruised or bleeding, and both parties have food to eat and not losing money.

Apologise to one another and MM and be reinstated on condition to try to stay out of other's hair, or otherwise be sent to their own rooms.

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Both contributed to this thread and often "enlivened it".

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(I wish I could get my hands on a moderator to help me deal with my wife. 8-))

Jimmy B , Tell me about it, but the police arrested the individual within 3 hours and was sectioned.


BB's are a weird world and some people take things far to seriously. It would be lovely if we could all get on in a civilised way.

Bullshare,

I was physically threatened by E-mails via MM.

I was a little bit fitter than I am now and thought at the time that the E-mailer may have been in for an interesting experience.

Fred: probably the same person we had the threats from. Sorry you had that experience , not good at all.

Bullshare.

Not your fault or responsibility.

It happens.

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When you view the amount of mud slinging on PM Questions, is it a wonder that "virtual" posters copy the behaviour viewed?

bloody labour rent-a-thug

Mike

I'm sorry but the mysterious 5 BB users, who may or may not post on the BB and, if they don't thus mysteriously skulk around in the background, isn't a healthy way to moderate, IMHO.

Let's assume they do post....

If so I would like to see a 'moderator identifier' attached to their username. That way, users can actually see an open and honest 'MoneyAM' association with that poster.

In other words, you 'know who you are talking to' and so would obviously be 'more careful about what you say'. And you know who to go to when and if the need arises because you can see who is around at the time.

Hey! This is YOUR BUSINESS and you don't need whippersnappers like me to tell you how to run it.

But when you (and the rest of us) lose the 'mostly' very valuable and somewhat prolific posting of a contributor like Goldfinger it is a sad event.

He produces 'page clicks' and 'others also do so' in response to joining in with the conversation. All of this amplifies up.

But again, it's a 'trade off'. If he brings money in but at the same time causes staff hassle then you have to evaluate the worth of him. Obviously, you've done this and come down on him towards the negative with a Red Card for him.

But it shouldn't have come to this!

My point is, because the moderation methodology of MoneyAM is so very bad, golfinger felt unsupported by it and went a bit ballistic. When the staff or the 5 BBers could have done something but chose not to, he then gave you all something far worse to have to deal with by way of both frustration and revenge.

In conclusion, IMHO, the moderation is not fit for purpose on here. It is far too lightweight.

But so is the imput for users from the MoneyAm side of things. Your punters are bored on here and you don't do too much about livening things up. I guess that's why they have bursts of entertaining themselves.

Apologies if I offend. I'm a blunt guy, now ex-Yorkshire, which might explain things, I guess. At times, I do tend to call a spade a shovel.

the implication yesterday was that the (very silly) spat between DB and GF and the "wrecking posts" occurred just over a single w/e ..... this was most certainly not the case, and if memory serves me aright, it carried on for a good week and more and maybe even several before anyone within the MAM management woke up and decided to act

I must say there are some proper hypocrites here , Excecline i should be careful what you write .

Execline

I don't agree , Mike & Ian have the right balance in moderating the board

golfinger felt unsupported He was unsupported because he was in the wrong.

it doesn't matter much whether GF or DB was in the wrong

other than should either or both have been given yellow or red cards, there is a valid debate as to whether Mike and his Merry Men were anything like as alert as they should have been in nipping this whole silly spat in the bud

i couldn't possibly comment!

We generally don't need moderators. We are responsible adults who know the difference between acceptable and unacceptable. So those people who lack the skills to self moderate don't belong on a public BB.
.........'gf lacked support from the MAM moderators'........good grief! He's kicked off more times than I can remember. Jeez what a load of rubbish, imo.

how pompous of you harry

What i won't miss is Goldfinger trashing his own thread [ the talk to yourself thread ] with his non stop polictical views and copy & paste from the loony left in between Fred's long winded'tripe and his large offensive polictial cartoons

What is the talk to yourself thread?

agree 100% Harry

cynic

it doesn't matter much whether GF or DB was in the wrong

Don't be silly, if it didn't matter we wouldn't have had this thread

skinny

NOWT

Self moderation! umumumh.


A bit hopeful when some enjoy being so beastly!

There are such things as pardons.

aldo .... you have cherry-picked and thus taken something completely out of context
i guess i could have started instead by saying that both DB and GF were in the wrong (which is true), and then continued as i did

What ever

In my many combined years on ESI, ADVFN and on here, I have seen many people press the self destruct button, perhaps that would be a more useful tool on the BB's!

i/we were merely debating and discussing

how you and your Merry Men wish to run the business and anything else attaching is up to you ..... proprietary golf clubs run in the same manner; members can say what they like, but the management will do as it chooses

Cynic: GF and Doodle pressed that button. Not saying you have, yet :-)

Talking about running a business , yours seem to be running itself . Have you retired ? you seem to have a lot of time on your hands

Not you Bullshare , Cynic

just goes to show that what you know and what you think you know merely show that you didn't know that you didn't know

mike - i would hope my arms are far too short to reach the self-destruct button ..... they certainly are to reach my wallet

lol :-)

i like that cartoon too :-)

aldo - 102 - can't disagree, but that's why i pretty much scroll straight past that tripe, and Hays's too

...Tell us where Alf's button is and I'll get in the queue with everybody else -):

that would definitely be a perversion :-)

Any shift in the suspenders stance re Db and gf?

suspenders are infinitely preferable to hold-ups!

however, i fear that Mike and Ian will not change their minds, and certainly not overtly
that said, if in due course either or both made a re-appearance and maintained a half-way civilised approach to their postings, then a blind eye might be turned, as has happened with "another"

Leopard and spots spring to mind!

"another" has managed it pretty well though the mask slips occasionally

Who's that then?

You've been rumbled stan.,.

I deny this BB -):

Copied from afn and reposted here in case the email system isn't working:



Dear Mike/Bullshare,

I have been reading the various posts by you and other posters on the “Bring back Goldfinger and Doodlebug” thread on Moneyam and since you have let Goldfinger respond on that thread perhaps you will also give me the courtesy of a right to reply and post this email.

Since you made the decision to ban Goldfinger and me from posting on Moneyam you know that I have made no attempt to contact you, or any other member of staff at Moneyam. I agree with you that no one poster or contributor is bigger than the sum of all the different parts and if the management decide that the team effort is being eroded by a disruptive individual or individuals then the management have the right to act.

You say that you had a yellow card/red card system in place, perhaps you did but I can’t remember getting a yellow card, whereas I know that Goldfinger was on a least one yellow card! If we are going to use football parlance, then I feel like a member of a football team who has been fouled constantly by one member of the opposition for about 85 minutes - without any support from the referee - then decided enough was enough and was promptly sent off for retaliation!

Since I started posting on the Moneyam bulletin board a few years ago I have, on occasions, contacted Ian and asked him to remove posts by Goldfinger on your forum which referred to me as “scum”, “pleb”,” thug” – apart from some other derogatory comments which I decided to let stand without complaint. When you intervened on one thread last year and asked everyone to calm down, Chris Carson and I both agreed to let matters rest, but Goldfinger continued his goading and abuse. I was also subjected to a constant stream of abusive posts by Goldfinger last year where he spammed various threads accusing me of being a poster on ADVFN referred to as “Stigologist” and who I believed at the time was the subject of a court case. Again I was forced to ask Ian to have these posts removed and they were then only removed in part.

At the start of 2015 I was prepared to let bygones be bygones, but Goldfinger started making derogatory comments on ADVFN and then on Moneyam referring to me as a “bankrupt” and saying I had lost all my money on FLYB. It is very easy for other posters to pass comments saying that I should just have ignored it, but it’s not so easy to ignore when you are the poster being subjected to unfounded and unwarranted abuse on a daily basis.

There is no doubt that Goldfinger did contribute a great deal to the various threads on Moneyam, particularly the chart thread, but I personally found his constant abuse of myself and Chris Carson unacceptable. Surely one poster has a right to disagree with another poster on a public forum without being subjected to various forms of foul-mouthed abuse, including speculation about their sexual preferences? If you read the posts on the FOXT thread you will understand what I am referring to, and that is just one example.

I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to air my views on your public forum and if you see fit to edit any part of what I have said then that is your prerogative. I apologise for all the aggravation and extra work this issue has undoubtedly caused you and your staff at Moneyam.

Kind regards,



Doodlebug4

if DB is banned, how come he is allowed to post through the backdoor?

cynic -Wake up, top of Max's post states clearly copied and pasted and from ADVFN.

i am aware of that, but my comment stands

OK, pg 4 post 69 (Goldfingers reply) was posted by Shortie..(not GF)

MaxK 131 (DB4's reply) was posted by him not DB.

What part of that don't you understand? With respect. For Gods sake cynic stop acting like Miss Marple and let this matter rest.

moi?
et toi?

Chris

I don't think he was acting like Miss Maple , Miss Maple would have understood stright away even at her advanced age

Any mention of goldfinger and up pop's cynic

cynic.

I don't know DB4 or gf other than as handles on a free bb.


There is nothing sinister going on, I would just like to see both reinstated.

Thanks for that Max. If I had posted DB's reply no doubt I would have been accused of being biased. :0)

No problimos Chris.

One point I would add is having looked through the FOXT thread there was sadly at no point any intervention by moneyam . I'm not here to take sides with db4 or goldfinger or indeed moneyam. BUT the problems experienced in my view sadly could of been nipped in the bud a lot earlier and just may of been a different end result. A warning on the likes of one more post in the manner of post ------ then moneyam will have no option but to ban you. End of then, the poster takes his/her choice . Also there will not be the are buts after the event, SIMPLES.

Thanks db4.

Nice to have read the reply, but sadly not going to change the result. So perhaps time moneyam shut down this thread.

Maybe it was thought that they were given enough rope to hang themselves if indeed they have, Who knows?

Why close this thread as opposed to any others?

Cause its not achieving anything now Stan. imhoo , :-))

“To err is human; to forgive, divine.”


Alexander Pope (1688-1744)

Why wasn't that bug... around when I was younger?

You want a hug fred....... come over here .,.

but wasn't that extraordinary about the ex girlfriend?

What are you lot on about?

BB knows and that's all that matters .... GF and DB are now old and dead news though do not be surprised if there are further ineffectual rumblings

Daddy.


I don't want to go home.

Bring back Goldfinger and Doodlebug thread (GDB) ADVFN BB , some fellow called Mike is posting over there.

>>>>>>>>>>>> some fellow called Mike is posting over there.

yep, and still mad as a dog I would say
It will be no surprise if a new nickname is required for tomorrow # Mike740 #
and before # mechanical trader # , # Trenfloor # "Gene Savin ", "Professor Pettigrew" , # JonC #, # Harrissen #, # Stockologist #, # Flopinfo #, and around ten other user names.!!.

I came across this one earlier on
I wonder who is on a ~ yelow card ~?

EOG thread -
TopAnalyst - 12 Jan 2011 11:14 - 42 of 686
I am removing ALL my research from here due to the constant personal abuse, defamation and distortions of it posted by:

ptholden
hlyeo98
halifax
blackdown
kimoldfield
cynic

This bunch of abusive retards is the reason MoneyAM will NEVER have a forum worth reading.

I have reported them to support by they do nothing, either because they want to force me to PAY them for the Traders Room or because they are too lazy to do anything.

2011!!!!!!
did you really have nothing better to do?
what a serious saddo you must be

cynic jumps to the defense of goldie again at any opportunity, whats in it for you? are you still copying his trades

hardly, though you would say that, wouldn't you

i was just amused that someone could actually make the time to trawl back through pre-history to find something rather silly

You got to ask yourself why gf has all those alleged aliases if it wasn't to cause trouble.,.

I think this thread could be the new argument thread .

Bullshare ,why not just keep this thread going and any disputes let folk battle it out on here,save them clogging up the good threads .
Keep cynic happy for hours .

don't be a cheeky chappy jimmy :-)

Good cover up cynic....... making out jimmyb is someone else........

It's me honest bb

LOL. :-))

ah, but who is pim you may ask? ..... could it be an alias for "another refugee"? :-)

Certainly begs the question why someone would trawl back years through the threads to find something. Agent provocateur maybe?

you might say that; i couldn't possibly comment :-)

goldfinger use to trawl back.

cynic

No comment , thats a change

Aah. The illiterations of MoneyAM do bring a smile to one's face. Or not!

Stuff 'capital letters'! Who needs them?
Stuff 'full stops' and 'commas'! Who needs them?
Stuff 'correct spelling'! Who needs it?
Stuff anything which might ressemble 'correct grammar'! Who needs it?
Stuff trying to do a half reasonable job of communicating on here! Who needs it?

poor ingland its jus going darn the tewbs

And you are on the wrong thread E/L -):

In which case why do 'Capital Letters, Full Stops, Commas and Correct Grammar' all have capital letters but 'correct spelling' just have lower case letters?
Just asking? ;o)

ill edit it matey ta

Think exec is in stroppy mood today.,. lol

A bit like GF at this time in the evening!

PS.

He isn't G. is he?

gf is busy posting on afn under his mike handle.

I'm surprised he hasn't re-upped here under a new one.

i don't know why all these advfn refugees insist on regurgitating what GF and DB are doing on their ex homeland

jimmy b

I like you self portrait very much

but

You Aren't Parting Your Hair the Best Way

I occasionally look at ADVFN and Digital Look, but I find navigating ADVr BB confusing for some reason and given up.

It is a pity that DB4 and GF couldn't restrain their enthusiasm to below Napoleon's level.

Ah shucks Fred, I had my fingers crossed that GF might have recruited you to join him over the road.

cynic you still here?

I'll part it this way in future .......

as if i'ld desert you bunch of old toads :-)

While the arguments continue here , ask your self why you were not one of the early tech geeks !!

Paul Allans boat .

Quote: “A ship can carry a boat, but a boat cannot carry a ship.”

So.....that is not a boat. It's a ship. Sorry, it's not a ship, it's a yacht.

Sorry, it's not a yacht, it's a "superyacht" or "megayacht". And it's actually, the world's 15th biggest superyacht too!

The owner spends around $400,000 a week on running it. It carries 2 helicopters and 7 tenders.

Did I mention it also has a cinema, a glass bottomed swimming pool and a10-person submarine?

No? Well it does.

Jesus,

I want two of those.

One for my wife and one for myself.

I will try and pick one up at the week end.

Should impress the neighbours.

you'll have trouble getting it in the bath.

You haven't seen the size of my bath!

Didn't he buy that off the Swiss Navy.

I don't know but i want it .
I want to live on it like a Bond Villain .

The lads have been in the sin bin long enough imo, time to let them back?

Also, what have you done with Haystack?

delete

G/F certainly Max, as my boys gave his lot a "hell of a beating" on Wednesday night...according to their manager that is.

Haystack,

Has he set fire to himself?

Nah! He's still looking for some more 'needle' inside himself to use to argue on here with you 'political guys'.

He was getting a little blunted!

8-)

Surely GF is due for a period of remission by now.


His help on a few figures would be useful.

Can we send him a cake with a file in.

without wishing to bang the drum too loudly, if GF has apologised to the management, which may well be the case, and behaves himself at least as well as mentor (aka MRSI, menorca and others), then i would certainly agree

and with that in mind, it would be unfair or even churlish to refuse re-entry to DB4

we might then even get hays back to posting :-)

I'm all for trading Fred for D4 and GF, :-))

I agree with Fred and Alf.

G/F especially as I want to mock he's poxy football team's display against Burnley the other night -):

I would think DC is a non-tradable commodity.

Bring back DB I say! Leave GF to rot in the asylum where he belongs. Mind you cynic has a point, lets do a swop for Fred. Gets my vote! :o)))

you're not DB's alter ego i hope .... oh surely not! :-)

Bring everybody back, general amnesty!


Let he who is without sin, cast the first veto!

That would be me then !

re - aldwickk - 14 Feb 2015 10:48 - 189 of 203
delete

You were right on the post, but now is deleted Why?

I see GF is busy at the other side creating chaos as usual

mike740 - 19 Feb 2015 - 15:55:39 - 8166 of 8190
RETURNED TO SENDER POST.....TARA I dont want your rubbish cluttering my thread.


TEN BAG MAN - 19 Feb 2015 - 16:11:26 - 136 of 137
Mike740 has told me not to post here (on his thread.) SEE TURN PLC THREAD.

With his track record one can see why.!!
I see the D Mail says house prices are roaring.!!

Mike 740 also posts as JonC, stigoligst and around ten other user names.
Be warned.!!!

Exactly pim, leave the twat in the asylum where he belongs. Credit to MAM for their stance. Sorry Fred and cynic lifes a bitch and then you die. :0)

If either one of you bothered your arses just to check out ADVFN, you would quickly realise the antics your so called hero gets up to. Good riddance to bad rubbish, trust me!

chris - you're sounding more and more like DB .... are you sure you're not one and the same?

if the above is typical of advfn, then clearly it remains every bit as nasty a site as it was 4 years ago when i briefly ventured there

==============

house prices roaring????
i think not, but below £2m they are slowly ticking up once more and the rental market, at least in central london, is as strong as it's ever been

More bunkum, it's not quite what they say....



Britain's unlikely propery hotspots revealed: Margate, Slough and Clacton-on-Sea

Dozens of locations across the UK have increased in value by up to 50 per cent in the last year, according to a new report



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/house-prices/11424234/Britains-unlikely-propery-hotspots-revealed-Margate-Slough-and-Clacton-on-Sea.html

cynic

You seem to have to much time on your hands

Fred had a death threat a while back , don't know the details but The police have narrowed the suspect down to a list of 3,000 names

Get back over to the Talk To Yourself Thread you lot , this thread is reserved purely for arguments not sensible chat about the economy ...

aldo - have actually been busy sorting out a prob for a client in india :-)

Yeah... What the jumper says -):

Alf,

When you have finished with India could you possibly have a look at the Ukraine and Middle East as well?

cynic

Goodness gracese me

by the way, here is what was actually written (telegraph) .....

Margate has seen a 46 per cent year-on-year percentage increase in SALES between 2013 and 2014, with 45 per cent for Slough and 44 per cent for Clacton-on-Sea.


nothing to do with prices of course, other than if demand is greater than supply, then prices will rise

Indeed c, they sold 3 instead of 2.

sorry stan, but we don't deal in ukraine .... apart from the work attitude (not very good) the country and its companies have been pretty much bankrupt for years, so the risk of not getting paid is too high

by and large, m/e (and india) pay quite well once you've got their measure and worked with them for a while

The Poles still hate the Ukrainians, even their youngsters.

How about Nigeria?... Cash only of course -):

make sure you only deal with multi-nationals :-)

stan - if you happen to go to kiev, you should most definitely visit st michael's monastery
apart from being a most beautiful building, you will find the story of stalin's genocide by imposed starvation displayed on the outer wall ..... you will immediately realise why there is so much animosity between native ukrainians and russia

Why are you guys trashing this thread and not using the 'Talk to yourself thread'?

For my two penny worth...... I'd sooner have shortie back, why he took GF's side is a mystery.,.

Indeed Cynic, On the way to Krakow a couple of years ago the only person a young Ukrainian chap on the coach was taken off and virtually interrogated before being allowed to continue with us, think he got on in Berlin and was retuning to Poland where I think he lived.

He told us all Ukrainians get that treatment because of the Russians conduct after the Nazis were beaten, the Russians treatment of the Jews was almost just as bad as from the Nazis!

sorry EL
you're absolutely right ..... was not particularly aware to which thread i was posting, though i would not exactly call the dialogue above "trashing" which implies a level of vindictive abuse

BB - i think the GF incident was the last straw for shortie; he was also pretty fed up with the abuse he got from certain other posters who did not like the fact that he primarily shorts stocks and indices

I told them that but was ignored .

Get back over to the Talk To Yourself Thread you lot , this thread is reserved purely for arguments not sensible chat about the economy ...

Who did shortie get abuse from cynic ? i never saw it and i used to follow the ftse250 thread

smacked wrist yet again for cynic :-(

Jim,

Are you sure you are on the right thread?

This one seems to specific

"Bring Back Goldfinger and Doodlebug Petition (GDB) "

Mind the contents often doesn't seem relevant!

Whatever the motivation is for keeping DB4 and GF off the boards.

I think it's time the powers that be rethink the fatwa.

Ok, so they had a spat that got out of hand...is that really a valid reason for a life sentence?


Also, have a look at the state of the board, it's very quiet.... :-(


btw, have you also banned Haystack?

rumour has it that he's sulking as no one will any longer beat him about the face with a fillet of old cod

Well, that's a valid reason for Haystack c, what about db4 and gf?

I thought he was an old .od!

re - rumour has it that he's sulking as no one will any longer beat him about the face with a fillet of old cod

Who?

and I thought it was with an old Kipper

When H/S gets back I think he should start a thread titled, Where I went on my Winter Holidays, for you lot -):

I beginning to think that H and GF were the same person.
2517

mentor - haystack of the Number 10 Club :-)

Just had this premonition somebody is due back from exile!

Probably best to go and sit in a darkened room for a while and the feeling will pass!

I am in a darkened room already!

8-)

put the light on then

maybe then you will see the -exile- business in a different way

If GF promises to try to be a good boy, can we ask him back.

Surely with good behaviour he has served his time and I feel I have been punished enough.

Ps and Shortie.

Could swap Manuel and Haze.

"Surely with good behaviour........" Not from what I hear on other BB's.

He is a reformed character.

Honest!

Red Fred LOL!! Roy Orbison blasting out 24/7


ONLY THE LONELY!! :0)

fred - just because i won't accept your version of what should be :-)

harry - certainly the 2/3 threads which GF inhabits on ADVFN are very civilised, though i note that DB4 has been sin-binned on one - i didn't read the specific post that caused

GF is a very, very active poster - and a bit OTT with what he has to say at times too.

When you get a poster like him, then you do need much better moderation than the site management seems prepared to give or can give. This is because, sometimes, GF creates situations which need jumping on immediately.

I guess Mike Boydell just doesn't need the other crap which GF brings along as baggage.

But GF is an adult. He should have learnt a lesson or two, but apparently, he didn't even want to attend any classes.

cynic

re - harry - certainly the 2/3 threads which GF inhabits on ADVFN are very civilised, though i note that DB4 has been sin-binned on one

not more lies please, your post some time back was >>>> I stop going there many years ago.
it seems you are one sided as usual
and I suspect you are in email contact witht the guilty party despite calling you dirty names earlier ( back stabber )

mike740 16 Mar'15 - 20:43 - 6 of 521 MODERATED

mike740 18 Mar'15 - 21:01 - 35 of 521
MAM boys were here.

mike740 19 Mar'15 - 16:59 - 55 of 521
A bit quiet on here, Goldie have you sounded the boys on MAM out?

We are all capable of making changes

I am almost perfect now!

mentor - as well as being a total arsehole, you also seem unable to check facts - eg when i first posted on advfn ..... now try doing some PROPER research for a change

re - eg when i first posted on advfn

Lying again BARSTERWARD
you also said you could not handle ADVFN cos was too hot after a few days posting there

so now tell me you are not this and that cos you are all the names everyone tell you, but not Manuel that is too nice for you,

now could you tell us you >>>>>>. nickname and when started posting there
and then we could find out your lies and verified

Does it really matter that much.
2517

it''s ok george, for i can just filter him again ..... he's just a very stupid lout whose patent inadequacies are apparent by his aggression

btw, the date he's so desperate for is 15/16th march, but even with that, he'll be just as abusive, though i doubt mike boydell and his joke (not that good!) moderators would never ever notice

2517

it does to some the double standard and lies that "cynic" plays all the time.

do not forget - Goldfinger _ said he was a - back stabber - a couple days before being barred

and has Stalked me around, just cos wants to copy my buys, so it can not handle me being filtered cos he can not see what i buy as simple as that

haven't you anything better to do you nasty, little (in all senses), egotistic and jumped-up fascist creep?

you've been slung out of this site 2/3 times b4 for persistent personal abuse, and goodness knows why the (inadequate) management ever allowed you back

Girls, Girls,

I only made a simple request and look how you behaved when I went out for an hour or so.


Fitting behaviour for life-long members of the Bullingdon club!

Manuel,

Have you been lucky or know the moderator?

mentor, I wouldn't have thought that cynic bought or sold shares/indices on the say so of anybody without some research himself, quite rightly like many here (me included) I suspect he gathers the views of other respected/knowledgable posters, but eventually he decides for himself.
2517

fred - they wouldn't let me through the portals of any uni, let alone oxford and its rather exclusive club :-)

2517
YA,
but If i am filtered he can not research the stock OK
....... cos he does not know it

and after the research he does not buy..... comes out with >>>>not enough MMs, not enough volume allways something negative, cos he has been negative since born, something to do with short of parental care

cynic - 09 Feb 2015 14:54 - 29 of 55
mentor
heaven forfend that i should be accused of rubbishing this stock, but i really cannot see its attraction ..... even as a penny stock, the trading volume is tragic, always assuming that today is typical

cynic - 08 Apr 2015 10:46 - 3579 of 3591
though i take it you don't actually disagree with my summation :-)

jimmy b - 08 Apr 2015 10:50 - 3580 of 3591
If we didn't ,we do now as you have been here 4 million times to tell us .

shows how little our precious "little fascist" knows ..... even when filtered, then thread still shows if said person has posted ..... he should do some research for a change

If cynic were ever wrong:

1. He is too fecking arrogant to ever want to admit it to the poster who brought the topic up.

2. He would never fecking apologise to anyone for anything either. Once again, the reason being because he is too arrogant.

3. And again, because he is so fecking arrogant he always takes the view, that he does not have to explain himself to anyone.

That's about it with him, really.

Oh, just one more thing!

4. He doesn't ever use capital letters and other punctuation tools.

Once again, this is to do with his arrogance. Obviously, if he doesn't want to, why the feck should he bother? Who are we to question it? The use of capital letters and punctuation is for other people. It's not for cynic. Like all arrogant people, he regards himself as being a 'cut above the rest'.

Exec,

Do you mean the hoi polloi, or just the plebs?

Yes, glad someone else see the faults, but not him noooooooo

Will the rope do the job?

Maybe he will use it as a belt! pitty



edit - 16th April
As far as I can remember I have never exchanged post with >>>" doodlebug4 " neither "mike740 " but yes with " Goldfinger "
It looks like both are reading this thread, but maybe not posting here
from ADVFN
doodlebug4 15 Apr'15 - 13:00 - 202 of 225 0 0
Thank you mentor! Cynic spouting his biased lies against me on MAM again.

mike740 15 Apr'15 - 13:37 - 239 of 292 0 0
More downs than ups here Mentor.
Keep wanking, that right hand of yours will get stronger.

Why are you all ganging up on c?

Because he's a twat :0).


Only joking cynic LOL!!!