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Traders Thread Monday 26th July 2004 (CROC)     

Martini - 25 Jul 2004 14:01

Martini - 25 Jul 2004 14:02 - 2 of 158

Martini - 25 Jul 2004 14:02 - 3 of 158

Trading Thoughts For The Week Ahead  - Sunday 25th July

This week's guest is chocolat who gives her own thoughts on the issues facing us in today's economic climate. If anyone else would like to be the guest "Thoughter" please let us know by emailing mike@moneyam.com

Monday 26 JulyInterims Pearson At the international publishers AGM in April, chairman Dennis Stevenson warned that the seasonal nature of Pearsons core book-publishing business, would see most profits in the second half. Analysts forecast full year profits of 423 million, rising to 505 million in 2005.Interims Reckitt Benckiser The consumer products group is rumoured to have qualified for the final round of bidding for the over the-counter medicines business of Swiss drugs group Roche. On top of that, Reckitt is also thought to be again mulling over a bid for Durex condoms-to-Scholl sandals group SSL.Tuesday 27 JulyInterims Alliance & Leicester Trading in the first quarter showed solid progress in business volumes and the group remains on target to achieve its primary objective of double-digit percentage growth in its EPS. The wholesale banking side saw volume growth in cash sales and commercial lending balances.Finals Eurodis Electron Eurodis released a cautious trading statement in May, saying that its 39 million raising in March helped the business get back on a normal footing. However, the electronic component distributor has enjoyed a lower market share than anticipated and profitability will take a few months longer than expected.Wednesday 28 JulyEx-dividend Cranswick Despite the untimely acquisition of a sandwich business last year, the food group was still able to increase the dividend by 10% to 13.2p. The sandwiches lost a major contract just after being bought, but the pet, animal and food businesses should continue to stand Cranswick in good stead. Ex-dividend Countryside Properties Mays interims saw a sharp decline in profits, although this was well signposted by an earlier profits warning, and figures could have actually been worse. However, the house builder retains a very strong landbank and the interim dividend was increased from 2.62p to 2.88p.Thursday 29 JulyInterims National Express The groups June pre-close trading statement reported that trading was in line with market expectations. Passenger volumes across the trains division are seeing average growth of 5%, while the coach division had a strong start to the year with an increase in passenger numbers of 6%.Interims Trinity Mirror A fairly confident trading update in June reported healthy increases in advertising and circulation, with the exception of the Daily Mirror. Although volumes have dropped even further since the sacking of Piers Morgan, the offsetting increase in cover prices should boost group circulation revenues.Friday 30 JulyInterims Lloyds TSB These interims are expected to be solid but uninspiring. Retail lending has seen the bank increase its market share in core lending such as mortgages and credit cards, although this is likely to see some erosion in margin levels. Net new mortgage lending in the first quarter was 2.6 billion against 2.2 billion in Q1 2003.Interims Rolls Royce 2004 has seen the aero-engine manufacturer bounce back with a vengeance. It recently secured its first order for the in-development Trent 1000 engine with Air New Zealand, which follows a contract believed to be worth over $120 million with Cathay Pacific that will see the airline take five Trent engines.

Thoughts Ok who the eck is chocolat? You might be able to detect the odd clue, here and there.. And before anyone says anything, nobody can be more surprised than I to find myself attempting to make a sensible contribution to start this thread for the week.Kyoto mentioned that it took him 20 minutes to accept the invitation.It took me 3 weeks, and then I only agreed under threat of extreme punishment and finally, blackmail (that maggiebunton has more dodgy videos stashed in her garage). And then, decisions, decisions. It was suggested that I might enlighten the unenlightened with my Forex methodology, but after only four fun years, I still consider myself a novice. So, instead, I have penned a few thoughts on the subject of money, which constitute the tenet that drives me to believe I stand more chance of making my money work harder for me in this game.Making our money work harder, to all intents and purposes, means making it work twice running two sets of risks in the hope of obtaining two sets of rewards. Lest we forget, this was the sales pitch used to bring new members into Lloyds. It could have been achieved more simply by doubling up on the horses. It is always a temptation and, suitably repackaged, it will find its moment.poundnotes.gif Once again, the returns on our savings have been looking dismal.Life assurance? Dont even mention those Equitable gentlemen.Shares? Now theres a thing, theyre back to where they were in May 1997.Government stocks and bonds? Here and on Wall Street, yields have fallen to levels scarcely seen for half a century.Pensions? If I start on that, Ill never stop suffice to say, Malcolm Wicks, pensions minister said last week that he was interested in a much more serious and balanced debate, in response to a report into the pensions deficits of the largest 100 listed companies (oh dear, he didnt like the gloomy tone) despite a 13.6% rise in the FTSE 100 index in 2003, the combined deficit in these companies schemes barely improved. A deficit of 60bn is a wake-up call indeed to anyone who still thinks that rising share prices will fill funding holes.So what have we now? The hedge funds claim to be able to make money for us in all seasons, and charge accordingly. We can see the returns from these alternative investments, what we may not yet see is the risk. So what happens when all these alternatives have to be turned into the oldest alternative cash? The BoEs Financial Stability Review concludes that the search for yield poses risks the test will come when the weather changes. And after a long, sunny spell, when money has been cheap and plentiful, and governments everywhere have slipped back into their old ways of borrowing and spending, interest rates are on their way up. Cold winds and cold weather bring on financial fatigue. Our houses seem to have been working hard to make us richer while we were asleep. There is little question that the average household feels enriched by the Labour years, and enriched for one reason: the value of property has gone up, and gone up far faster than general prices._40270083_agency203bbc.jpg Averaged across the country, houses are now worth 2.4 times what they were when New Labour came to power in May 1997. For most households, the apparent rise in housing wealth has outstripped any losses on the stock market. It has encouraged homeowners to treat their homes as their pensions or to withdraw capital from their homes in order to spend it on other goodies. Many have been tempted to go further and make speculative investments in the property market: ordinary people who would never dare borrow money to invest in the stock market have been persuaded to gear themselves many times over in order to build themselves a portfolio of investment properties. The fact that this massive creation of wealth is illusory is still not commonly recognised. We are mostly still living in the same crummy old houses as we were in 1997. Its not so much that they have risen in value as that money has fallen in value. To put the rise in house prices into another context, the pound in the homebuyers pocket in 1997 is now worth just 41 pence. Rising house prices are as much a kind of inflation as rises in the price of a packet of cornflakes. They do not amount to the creation of wealth, but to the redistribution of wealth to homeowners from non-homeowners. House price inflation distorts the economy, lowers the standard of living for those who failed to buy a home several years ago and, by trapping people with large mortgages, greatly harms the mobility of labour which is essential to a dynamic economy. Worse, there is always the danger that the speculative bubble could burst, leading to misery and ruin on a scale which contributed to the collapse in support for the Major government in the early 1990s. Over the past couple of years the Chancellor has begun positively to encourage house price inflation, where he might previously have been perceived to tolerate it. Most blatantly he has done this by dropping the Retail Prices Index as the official measure of inflation and replacing it with the Index of Consumer Prices.Brown excused the change on the grounds that he needed to bring Britains inflation figures in line with those of the rest of chancellor_203.jpgthe EU. Yet clearly this is far from the whole story.While the former contained a minimal element of house price inflation, the latter includes no housing costs whatsoever: thus the official cost of living index now excludes the cost of putting a roof over our heads. The effect of this statistical manoeuvre is to compel the Bank of Englands Monetary Policy Committee to ignore house price inflation when it comes to setting interest rates. Whilst the base rate has risen from 3.5 to 4.5 per cent over the past nine months, it would have risen far faster had the MPC been charged with moderating house price inflation, now rising at close to 20 per cent.Manipulation of the inflation figures is far from the only way in which Brown has sought to stoke the housing boom. Over the next three years he has committed himself to pumping 690 million of taxpayers money directly into the housing market, through the so-called Keyworker Living scheme, which is designed to help public sector employees to buy homes in areas where they would otherwise be unable to do so. Teachers, nurses and firemen, for example, can apply to the government for an interest-free loan of up to 50,000 (100,000 in the case of some teachers) to assist them in buying property on the open market. Disgracefully, officials at the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister have added themselves - planners - to the list of essential workers who qualify for the loans. And we have a pay rise on a significant scale which will not show up in the figures for wage inflation. Just when it seemed that the housing market might finally have peaked last year, Brown hit on a further way to encourage it: he announced that as from next year investors will be allowed to shelter residential property investments from tax by holding them within a pension fund. On the same day that the Chancellor made this announcement, he also removed many of the tax advantages of holding shares within an ISA. He thus sought to encourage the flow of money from the stock market into the housing market, at a time when any encouragement ought to be in the other direction. The great party for property investors may finally be at an end - prices are already falling in some areas. That isnt to say that Brown, yet again, wont dream up some wheeze of stimulating the market and pumping up prices for a few months yet.Finally I cant finish without a few bonmots (thanks a bunch, mg!) on matters across the ponddowbreak10000.jpgThis is a link to what is perceivably an extreme view, (Click here) but it shows what is going round There is a groundswell of feeling in the country that is well expressed by this speech.. (Click here) I was really looking forward to saying today that the US market is approaching 10000 but heyho, it pre-empted me on Friday But it is heading further south the stronger Kerry gets. I feel that tax fears are the underlying issue. If he keeps Greenspan, that would help, but Greenspan doesnt have enough room to lower rates to offset a sizeable tax increase. So Kerry may be good for the US, but not so hot for the economy if he takes liquidity out of the system

Time to run for cover? -----Isnt it great, isnt it grand!! cherries.jpgchocolatcherries.jpg

All the above comments are purely a personal opinion and no investment advice is intended. Please do your own research

Martini - 25 Jul 2004 14:02 - 4 of 158

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What the Sunday Newpapers say
SUNDAY TIMES - Banco Santander Central Hispano is hoping to announce the 8.6 billion takeover of Abbey National tomorrow - Jarvis poised to stave off collapse by engineering a standstill agreement with its banks and outlining a sell-off plan to raise cash - Kevin Stanford, co-founder of the Karen Millen clothing chain, to acquire Shami Ahmed's 22.6% stake in Moss Brothers at 80p-a-share - Whitbread urged to sell restaurants after Premier Lodge deal - Asquith Court and Kids Unlimited, two of Britain's leading day nursery groups, are combining to form Nursery Years Group with 100 million float - Lawyers for Premier Foods have called on the Financial Services Authority to launch an immediate investigation of two fund managers who criticised the price at which the company attempted to float its shares - Sir Richard Branson has secured financial backing for his American airline from a venture capital company led by former boss of United Airlines - Polygon, a hedge fund with a 5.6% stake in British Energy, to attack the group's controversial turnround plan - Paypoint, the bill payments system, to float within months with an expected value of over 120 millionInside the City: - ITV Group: Charles Allen is making decent progress with the merger savings programme - Ryanair: buy now, sell after the results, then wait and see what happens. Citywire Market Mole: - Top hedge fund Lansdowne Partners and AAA-rated Old Mutual have been adding to their stakes in Cambridge Silicon RadioJudgment Day: - Should I buy shares in VT Group? - YesAgenda: - An offer from Spain that could heal Abbey's pain - Sir Richard Branson on form - Vodafone loses outOther comment: - Debenhams pins hopes on mini stores - Airline deregulation flies British Airways into the world of takeovers - Britain fights for larger stake in Joint Strike Fighter project - Harvey Nichols plans eight stores abroad
SUNDAY TELEGRAPH- Abbey National meets today on 8.2 billion Banco Santander bid - Dawnay Day in talks with Greenwoods, the privately-owned menswear group, about making a takeover bid of about 50 million for Austin Reed - WH Smith lines up Somerfield's John Von Spreckelsen to become chairman - A commercial battle between ICAP and Collins Stewart Tullett for supremacy in the money broking market has spilled over into a personal spat between Michael Spencer and Terry Smith - Sir Richard Branson confesses to 'dithering' over Virgin Mobile float - Carlyle Group of US joins race for BAE Systems' shipbuilding arm - Tesco signs a licensing deal with eDiets.com, the US online diet serviceEquity View: - BAE Systems a risky buy - Buy Vantis at 130.5p - Keep buying Paladin Resources at 121.25p - Buy Polaron at 182.5p - Anglo Irish Bank should have further to go (Look Who's Trading) - Sell Cable & Wireless - Keep selling MFI FurnitureTaking Stock with Edmond Jackson - Will CSR's shares be worth an arm and a leg? - I would not hold bank shares. Cuts in service quality are liable to undermine profits and hence bank shares as a long-term investmentBusiness Comment: - Deutsche Borse should pay up for the London Stock Exchange or shut upOther comment: - Figures calculated by Citywire show that only 11 of the 175 fund managers with a track record of at least five years have beaten the average performance in their sector over the period - Article examines the ethos of Brandes, the US fund manager whose decisions influence many FTSE 100 companies - Abbey National: too little, too late? - Profile Charles Gurassa, chairman of Virgin Mobile
The Deddington News Letter - Saturday morning Farmers Market boosts GDP (Great Deddington Produce). - Bus Wars erupts as two seen in village square at same time. - Wheat futures weaken as fields turn golden brown for a bumper harvest.
OBSERVER  - British and American banking giants are ready to wreck a 9 billion agreed bid for Abbey National from Banco Santander - Virtue Broadcasting to acquire WorldTV in a reverse takeoverThrog Street: - The trouble with HBOS - Trinity Mirror on the block - Still little sign of consolidation among telecoms companies despite feverish speculation - A marriage unmade in Hull (Thus, Kingston Communications)
MAIL ON SUNDAY - A day of decision for Abbey National in 8.5 billion Banco Santander bid - ITV Group will have to wipe more than 360 million off its assets because the value of Carlton TV has been slashed - Venture capital groups are preparing a bid for the BBC's commercial operations - Philip Green plans a property development in north west London - Top Ten Holdings has held talks with Gala about acquiring up to half a dozen of its operations - Invesco Perpetual, which owns 6% of British Energy, is considering putting in the money to buy out senior creditors - Citywire secret dealings: ATH Resources has attracted a couple of secret shrewd investorsMidas Column: - Buy Virgin Mobile at 190pUpdates: - Stick with Inter Link Foods - Continue to back CadburyOther comment: - Alfred McAlpine's hospital disaster in Dudley
THE BUSINESS - Lehman Bros has pulled out of negotiations to acquire Cazenove - Boeing challenges Airbus with an advanced Jumbo - Some of Europe's leading banks are scrambling to put together rival takeover bids for Abbey NationalBenchmark: - US car giants face rocky road as sales decline - Tentative talks about a merger between Vivendi and Lagardere quickly fell apartInside the Market: - Small Cap Investor: Buy Flying Brands - Aim Investor: Erinaceous has a number of attractive investment characteristicsOther comment: - GlaxoSmithKline profit to surpass expectations - Lloyds TSB likely to disappoints - Vodafone rings up two million new customers - Profile Lord Browne of BP.
SUNDAY EXPRESS - Global bidding war looms over Abbey National - Pearson considering a 200 million bid for WH Smith 's Hodder Headline - Chief executive of Sainsbury, Justin King has called in management consultant McKinsey to conduct a review that could lead to a radical overhang of the supermarket - Citigroup appointed to advise Channel 4 on whether a merger with Five is the best route for the broadcaster - Marks & Spencer sets its sights on China and Russia - Kesa Electricals believed to be taking a closer look at Maplin Electronics, put up for sale by Graphite Capital - Tesco poised to agree a sale of the Dillons newsagents chain to TM Retail - Interview chief executive of Virgin Mobile, Tom Alexander
INDEPENDENT - Citigroup is preparing to challenge Banco Santander with an 8.5 billion dip for Abbey National - HSBC under fire for its role in 870 million bond sale to finance China's mega-dams - Jarvis wins a breather after Tube sale stalls - Law Society probes Freshfields over Marks & Spencer bid work for Philip Green - Lagardere thought to have decided to pull out of buying Hodder Headline from WH Smith. - Ryanair launches blistering attack on National Air Traffic Services alleging management failures - Interview John Pluthero, chief executive of Energis - Is the banks' high street boom over?
INVESTORS CHRONICLETips: *Buy Emap (EMA.L) at 717p - Chorion (COR.L) at 193p - Civica (CIV.L) at 183p and Pipex (PXC.L) at 8.38p.*Sell Mitchells & Butlers (MAB.L) at 268p and Topps Tiles (TPT.L) at 174p. Tip Updates:*Buy Tesco (TSCO.L), Protherics (PTI.L) and Hat Pin (HTP.L).*Sell Universal Salvage (UVS.L). *Merrydown (MYW.L) is good value.
SHARES MAGAZINEPlays of the Week: *Buy Xstrata (XTA.L) at 778p and Mothercare (MTC.L) at 327.5p.Tip Updates: *Buy Business Serve (BRV.L) - iTrain (IRN.L) - ASOS (ASC.L). *Tadpole Technology (TAD.L) is a brave hold.

Martini - 25 Jul 2004 14:02 - 5 of 158

Many thanks to chocolat for being this weeks Thoughter as she takes a tour de force through the various economic issues that affect her approach to the markets.
You may be wondering who chocolat is. Well it is dotels pen name or more properly the new name she wishes to use when posting to the BBs.
Womans prerogative to change her mind I guess.

I am off to think of a new name for myself.
Good hunting.
Suggestions to sad old git of Oxon.

theDickster - 25 Jul 2004 15:17 - 6 of 158

Great stuff as ever, especially the Cherries ;-) very erm , i'd better stop there, Ta Dotty

VOD KPIs out on Mon and AGM Tuesday acc to their website and BATS Q2 on Tuesday

beardy - 25 Jul 2004 15:39 - 7 of 158

Afternoon all

Not trading at present but a couple of positions on.

Realy gutted to miss the nw traders night out as anyone who has been will know there are some realy treats up north. Now Chocolate ?? theres a lot of people do wicked things with chocolate was that the reason for the name change.LOL

Steph did I win 3 horse 3 race or am I on a looser again.

Well back to the grindstone see you all soon. HGV driving test tomorrow that takes some thinking about after driving for 25 years.

Keep smiling

Beardy

Kyoto - 25 Jul 2004 16:14 - 8 of 158

Thanks for the interesting thoughts Chocolat. Shocking that those civil servants in the Deputy PMs office have made themselves eligible for the same loans as teachers and nurses - hadn't realised. Have they no shame?

It's going to be a very active week on the banking front with results, an ANL bid battle between Santander and Citigroup allegedly looming, and AL., BB., and NRK all now being mentioned as bid targets. My main positions are BB., LLOY (seemed like a good idea - now I'm not so sure!), and MRW - all long (still don't believe in Dow crash theory - but it's not going my way at the moment). Not expecting to be doing much trading this week, want to sit things out a bit and see how things go, and it's back to work after my holiday :-(

HCEG's AGM tomorrow by the way, not in the header.

theDickster - 25 Jul 2004 16:56 - 9 of 158

app Brandes are munching at MRW , smart cookies those peeps ;-)

mg - 25 Jul 2004 18:03 - 10 of 158

Quelle surprise trouver la dotel a couverte en chocolat. A tr pensle poteau de provocation. Elle fait par bien Chuck !!

That Babelfish is great aint it - you can pretend you know foreign stuff.

mg

chocolat - 25 Jul 2004 19:24 - 11 of 158

Monsieur Grenouille - quelles choses adorables que tu dis, mon vieux crouton ;)

..and cheers guys - beardy, you might have cracked it..

axdpc - 25 Jul 2004 19:32 - 12 of 158

Martini, much hard work appreciated.
Chocolat, good piece of writing and much to think about.

Big Al - 25 Jul 2004 20:22 - 13 of 158

Evening all.

So, dotel is now chocolat. If it wasn't confusing enough having all the pen-names, now the wimmin start changing them - ain't that just typical? ;-)))

Nice set of thoughts "persons". I love the take on Brown and housing. I guess it is indeed all he can say about his successful economic management. It's going to be a great giggle when it all falls apart after he gets the big job!

Have done no research whatsoever, but may play catch-up in the morning.

Currently got longs on AQP (nice!), MRS (nice!), PLR (erm), VTI (nice!) and WBY (yuk!) countering shorts in BFP (nice!) and FTC (bored).

................and we shall see how we fare tomorrow!

chocolat - 25 Jul 2004 20:35 - 14 of 158

BigA - you think you're confused? dotel is actually two of us (although my partner in crime has never posted) It was time for a change..

Big Al - 25 Jul 2004 20:49 - 15 of 158

chocolat

So, in addition to changing your name, now there are two?

Dunno if I can cope. ;-))))

About time your partner in crime posted. We can't have secretive lurking going on you know! lol

chocolat - 25 Jul 2004 20:54 - 16 of 158

You certainly wouldn't, BigA - not when we're together - but worry not, 'tis only little me now...and el will carry on as before ;)

Ruth - 25 Jul 2004 21:43 - 17 of 158

Big thanks to Martini and Chocolat, first port of call ever morning, much appreciated,

MightyMicro - 25 Jul 2004 22:45 - 18 of 158

Sad old git of Oxon and Chocolat:

Great stuff, I really enjoyed Chocolat's perspective on the general economic outlook. As for mortgages for the boys . . . have they no shame? No, they don't.

A bottle of Mumm Napa Demi-sec to accompany the Chocolat, methinks ;-)

MM

foale - 25 Jul 2004 23:28 - 19 of 158

Nice work Martini
Like Ruth says ..an essential read

tyketto - 26 Jul 2004 00:23 - 20 of 158

Nothing unusual.
God was a woman until she changed her mind.
mac

StonyB - 26 Jul 2004 00:37 - 21 of 158

It's all right for you lot with your fancy French - I went to one of those French markets yesterday and came back with a whole load of brown paper bags full of greasy unknowns. Have spent most of today stuffing myself with them trying to figure out what they are, whether they're supposed to be eaten hot or cold, and whether the unusual mushroom fillings are going to make me ill. Have just finished something that looks like a Scotch egg, but isn't. Any ideas? Excuse me while I return to lurking. I may be gone some time...

Piptrader - 26 Jul 2004 00:52 - 22 of 158

Martini - Monday's company and economic data for UK, and economic data for USA, shown in the header, doesn't agree with Monday's info in post #2 - I suspect the latter is correct.

fulhamken - 26 Jul 2004 01:24 - 23 of 158

Martini and Chocolat many thanks for an excellant read ...........

david 2000 - 26 Jul 2004 06:25 - 24 of 158

Thanks Martini and chocolat, for great start to week...

SINGAPORE (AFX-ASIA) - Oil prices were firmer in Asian trade, dealers said.
At 12:30 pm (0430 GMT), the benchmark New York light, sweet crude contract
for September delivery was at 41.73 usd a barrel, up from 41.67 usd in New York
on Friday.

*EGG DOWNGRADED TO 'NEUTRAL' FROM 'BUY' BY MERRILL LYNCH

Mega Bucks - 26 Jul 2004 06:54 - 25 of 158

A very good morning to you all.

prodman - 26 Jul 2004 06:57 - 26 of 158

Morning all.

Thanks to Martini and Chocolat, great stuff.

david 2000 - 26 Jul 2004 07:06 - 27 of 158

10 day chart, 4300 to 4330 levels to watch...
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Boyse - 26 Jul 2004 07:10 - 28 of 158

VODAFONE CONTINUES STRONG PERFORMANCE IN CUSTOMER AND REVENUE GROWTH

Vodafone Group Plc ("Vodafone") announces today key performance indicators for
the quarter ended 30 June 2004. The main highlights are:

* 3.1 million organic net additions, and 2.7 million additions from
stake changes, increasing the proportionate customer base to 139.2 million;

* Blended annual ARPU up Euro1 to Euro362 in Italy, down Euro1 at Euro309 in Germany
and Y2,330 to Y78,365 in Japan, compared to March 2004. ARPU in the UK was up
#5 to #314, including a further #4 uplift from the acquisition of
Singlepoint;

* Total data revenues increased to 16.3% of controlled service revenues
for the year to June 2004 from 15.0% for the year to June 2003; controlled
data revenues for the quarter up 13% on an organic basis on the same quarter
last year;

* 9 million controlled Vodafone live!TM customers at the end of June
2004, with a further 1.3 million customers in non-controlled operations;

* Mobile Connect Card sales in controlled operations increased to over
300,000, including over 50,000 with 3G capability.

david 2000 - 26 Jul 2004 07:12 - 29 of 158

Talk of Santander bid being around 5.53p.. ANL closed on Friday at 5.80???

Boyse - 26 Jul 2004 07:13 - 30 of 158

;-) d2k

david 2000 - 26 Jul 2004 07:16 - 31 of 158

LOL :-)) Beat ya!Also talk of counter bids from Citigroup/Lloy over weekend Boyse. Might be worth looking at lloy short based on that rumour. Santander price was down heavily on Friday??
Think were both just sad and get up too early.. :-))

david 2000 - 26 Jul 2004 07:17 - 32 of 158

LONDON (AFX) - Vodafone PLC reported strong Key Performance indicators for
the first quarter to June, and reiterated its full year guidance despite what it
called a "tougher competitive environment".
Vodafone reported 3.1 mln net new subscribers for the quarter from organic
growth, plus 2.7 mln additions from stake changes in associate companies. The
market had been expecting organic net new additions of 2.45 mln.
That boosted the proportionate customer base to 139.2 mln.
Average revenue per user (ARPU) rose 5 stg in the UK to 314 stg, including a
4 stg uplift from the acquisition of Singlepoint. The market had expected no
change.
ARPU rose 1 eur in Italy to 362; fell 1 eur in Germany to 309 and fell 2,330
yen to Y78,365 in Japan, compared to March.
Total data revenues increased to 16.3 pct of controlled service revenues for
the year to June from 15.0 pct a year earlier. Controlled data revenues for the
quarter were up 13 pct on an organic basis on the same quarter last year.
There were 9 mln controlled Vodafone live! customers at the end of June,
with a further 1.3 mlnn customers in non-controlled operations. Mobile Connect
Card sales in controlled operations increased to over 300,000, including over
50,000 with 3G capability.
Chief executive Arun Sarin said Vodafone had made a strong start to the
year.
"Our business is progressing well, despite a tougher competitive environment
in some markets," he said.
"These KPIs are in line with our expectations and we are therefore
reiterating our guidance for the year to March 2005."
email: newsdesk@afxnews.com
jm/

Boyse - 26 Jul 2004 07:22 - 33 of 158

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foale - 26 Jul 2004 07:24 - 34 of 158

morning all

david 2000 - 26 Jul 2004 07:38 - 35 of 158

Santander releasing results 2 days early right now. ANL announcement should follow it , surely??? Its a paper bid by all accounts. Could be and interesting morning.
EDIT sorry its BBVA the "other" Spanish banks results coming out. Getting a little over excited!

ALSO
*PRUDENTIAL UPGRADED TO 'BUY' FROM 'NEUTRAL' BY UBS

*ROYAL & SUN ALLIANCE UPGRADED TO 'NEUTRAL' FROM 'REDUCE' BY UBS

*HHG DOWNGRADED TO 'NEUTRAL' FROM 'BUY' BY UBS




Limbowagon - 26 Jul 2004 07:44 - 36 of 158

Morning All
These women will be moving the furniture around next
Well Done All
L

fulhamken - 26 Jul 2004 07:48 - 37 of 158

morning all - short barc short nxt

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 07:48 - 38 of 158

Good morning boys and girls.

Loads of news today and there will be for the rest of the week. Just a few small snippets:

WLF - looking forward to strong growth.
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/200407260700161958B.html

POG - share price stalled after a good run. Maybe this can give them a lift.
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/200407260700101945B.html

GLI - nice trading update. "Sales for the start of the current year significantly ahead"
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/200407260700091943B.html

ASM - has gained exclusive rights to cancer drug.
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/200407260700091942B.html

EXP - new partnership.
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/200407260700091939B.html

BBY - new contracts.
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/200407260700071928B.html

TLW - busy little outfit, handy little update.
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/200407260700071927B.html

ACE - interesting market this lot are operating in.
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/200407260700071921B.html

PYM - gained orphan drug status from FDA.
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/200407260700071919B.html

CWK - AGM seems to confirm what everyone already knew. There was a fire in the sausage factory at Cottingham just in time for the B-B-Q season - handy! ;-))
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/200407260700071930B.html

PLR - secured new credit facility.
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/200407260700051910B.html

VPC - going from strength to strength IMO.
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/200407260700041902B.html

HCEG - should be more good news.
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/200407260700021800B.html

EAS - more traders!
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/20040726070000PD6DF.html

RB. - doing well (double-digits) and share buyback will be increased. Might kickstart the recent pullback.
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/20040726070000PC6D8.html

AGG - still showing increases despite adverse dollar and oil effects.
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/20040726070000PB429.html

RYB - looking OK for a tech mob.
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/200407260700051908B.html

MSN - seemed to be doing well, but the divi being chopped might get punished.
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/200407260700111946B.html

LCI - FY not likely to re-ignite the run?
http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/200407260700131954B.html

Have a good day.

david 2000 - 26 Jul 2004 07:52 - 39 of 158

It was thier results!
*SCH GIVES NO DETAIL OF ABBEY OFFER IN RESULTS STATEMENT

Kyoto - 26 Jul 2004 07:54 - 40 of 158

According to the BBC1 Business News this morning ANL will not be making an announcement until 09:00, to quote, "nothing sinister, just the lawyers need more time to draft the details". Sounds like it could be a complicated offer.

david 2000 - 26 Jul 2004 07:58 - 41 of 158

ANL crossing at 5.52 ATM with 2 mins to go.

foale - 26 Jul 2004 08:03 - 42 of 158

ARM level II yellow strip out of line with detailed prices?
Or is it me?

Maggot - 26 Jul 2004 08:05 - 43 of 158

Morning all. Expect to spend much of today setting up new terminal views. Long NFDS for the div, and long LGEN and (still) DCG (unfortunately).

Boyse - 26 Jul 2004 08:17 - 44 of 158

sold Jrvs long very nice :-)

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 08:35 - 45 of 158

Regretting jumping out of JKX.

A few small oils looking strong today.

IanT(MoneyAM) - 26 Jul 2004 08:38 - 46 of 158

Foale,

Sorry I missed your posting earlier - ARM looks fine this end are you still having problems?

Ian

Martini - 26 Jul 2004 08:44 - 47 of 158

oops sorry about header changed

fulhamken - 26 Jul 2004 08:52 - 48 of 158

this is all a very narrow range on FTSE - closed Barc short +3.5

Maggot - 26 Jul 2004 08:54 - 49 of 158

Quick, but small, 10.5 from RB. long.

david 2000 - 26 Jul 2004 08:56 - 50 of 158

It will break one way or another this AM. 4330 battleground for 9am-10am time frame

foale - 26 Jul 2004 09:01 - 51 of 158

Ian its fine now thanks

What thread should I post those sort of Level II comments to?

axdpc - 26 Jul 2004 09:03 - 52 of 158

Morning all.
JRVS had a good morning so far.

IanT(MoneyAM) - 26 Jul 2004 09:04 - 53 of 158

Foale,

There is a Level 2 thread, but this was just me being slow on a Monday morning :-) if you post here I will normally pick it up pretty quickly.

Ian

Spaceman - 26 Jul 2004 09:07 - 54 of 158

Morning All.

IanT(MoneyAM) - 26 Jul 2004 09:12 - 55 of 158

Foale,

Thanks for the message - I will monitor ARM to see if I can see and differences in the data.

Ian

Boyse - 26 Jul 2004 09:15 - 56 of 158

AQP in the City this week shaking the Tin ;-)

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 09:21 - 57 of 158

Long DVO - new high for quite some time.

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 09:22 - 58 of 158

Boyse - better grab a few then! ;-))

Boyse - 26 Jul 2004 09:24 - 59 of 158

what a Nice sell in ANL ;>}

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 09:30 - 60 of 158

TFC not looking too clever - bit of a double top retested?

fulhamken - 26 Jul 2004 09:34 - 61 of 158

if i knew how to play ANL today i would - !!

Kyoto - 26 Jul 2004 09:38 - 62 of 158

Well, I've taken a small punt a few moments ago on ANL at 549. If the bid is 550 then probably breakeven, if it's less I'll be surprised - and there's still the possibility of another bid coming in I suppose - but I can take the loss - if it's more than 550, I'll be happy.

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 09:41 - 63 of 158

20k sell bot BFP. Still short.

fulhamken - 26 Jul 2004 09:46 - 64 of 158

LONG anl -SHORT RBS

Maggot - 26 Jul 2004 09:53 - 65 of 158

Al. I've got some AQP and there's a strange upward-pointing arrow in green beside the price. Don't get many of those! Similar arrow against HCEG.

Have spent over an hour making up terminal views so will take an hour or two off as at my age there's a real danger of RSI (don't laugh, it will come to you all eventually).

fulhamken - 26 Jul 2004 09:54 - 66 of 158

0850 GMT (Dow Jones) MADRID--Societe Generale cuts Santander (STD) to sell from buy. Report was released prior to formal announcement of bid for Abbey National (ANBB). Brokerage expects bid at 583p, which "would destroy EUR2.7B in value." SG judges the deal "as positive for Santander from a strategic perspective (but) we expect the market to overreact on news given Santander's track record to overpay." Cuts Santander's FV to EUR9 from EUR9.7. Stock suspended at EUR8. (DRB)

Kyoto - 26 Jul 2004 09:56 - 67 of 158

A few more thoughts on ANL now I have another moment - part of the bid is likely to be in shares so Santander's share price becomes crucial, and it's likely to decline. I'm hoping that this doesn't mean a circa 550 bid based on Santander's price on announcement day Friday, because then the bid will most likely work out as being sub-550. Although, if it's 550 rather than the 650 Santander's shareholders probably fear, it's possible that the price will start to rise.

If the bid does end up being sub-550 by virtue of Santander's falling price, will it be too tempting for other banks to pass over?

fulhamken - 26 Jul 2004 10:04 - 68 of 158

ROCkET UNDER anl ????L

Kyoto - 26 Jul 2004 10:05 - 69 of 158

Yeah - what was that all about? I'm cut off from most of my news sources here so I'm probably going to get caught out here...

edit: ah... news out

Boyse - 26 Jul 2004 10:07 - 70 of 158

*ABBEY NATIONAL SHAREHOLDERS TO GET 1 SCH SHARE PLUS 31P/SHARE CASH



Martini - 26 Jul 2004 10:08 - 71 of 158

offer of shares and cash not gone down well

Boyse - 26 Jul 2004 10:09 - 72 of 158

*ABBEY NATIONAL SAYS BID FROM SCH VALUES GROUP AT 609P/SHARE, 8.9 BLN STG


skinny - 26 Jul 2004 10:09 - 73 of 158

*ABBEY NATIONAL SAYS BID FROM SCH VALUES GROUP AT 609P/SHARE, 8.9 BLN STG

Kyoto - 26 Jul 2004 10:10 - 74 of 158

Don't know - I think I can live with it. Long a few more at 547... not overcommitting myself though.

Boyse - 26 Jul 2004 10:10 - 75 of 158

No Martini happy with my sell on friday , BPRG AL ;-)

fulhamken - 26 Jul 2004 10:13 - 76 of 158

i missed the effin spike can u believe it !!

Kyoto - 26 Jul 2004 10:22 - 77 of 158

fulhamken - yes, so did I, but to be fair, I'm not sure if I'd have caught it even if I wasn't doing some job stuff at the time.

I'm very comfortable with my average 548 position (famous last words!), and I intend to hold until I get a good exit price. Unless the overall market (edit: or Santander obviously) tanks... then I'll have to re-evaluate.

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 10:24 - 78 of 158

BPRG in that critical area, Boyse, where it went ballistic.

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 10:27 - 79 of 158

Added a few AQP.

http://moneyam.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/20040726100000PA7B2.html

sandeepbharadwaj - 26 Jul 2004 10:30 - 80 of 158

have been thinking about yukos. putin is no doubt a very shrewd guy. to show his authority, we know what he has done to yukos. imo he will take charge of yukos's assets thru other companies and........
if i were him i would be heavily long oil futs. when the news does come out re yukos closure, god knows what price oil will be at.
considering this scenario is plausible - avoid long posn in airline, shipping and chem.

Boyse - 26 Jul 2004 10:41 - 81 of 158

pushing it on Al

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 10:46 - 82 of 158

Nudging above my 85EMA, Boyse. Very nice! ;-)

Spaceman - 26 Jul 2004 10:47 - 83 of 158

sandeep, I dont know the percentage of world oil thats from Russia but I dont think its huge, you might be right but I doubt if the russion production is enough to badly affect the world price. Saudi is still the biggest by far and still has the largest stocks as well.

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 10:51 - 84 of 158

Spaceman - as far as I'm aware Russia has potentially the biggest oil reserves in the world. Problem is they simply cannot get their act together.

Oil traders have been blaming the Yukos thing for the current high prices.

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 10:58 - 85 of 158

Tra-la-la!

sandeepbharadwaj - 26 Jul 2004 11:01 - 86 of 158

spaceman - according to nloomy yukos is the largest oil producer after saudi

Spaceman - 26 Jul 2004 11:02 - 87 of 158

Al, exactly, as far as i know its real stocks are unknown at the moment, production is not that good. Saudi still the one to watch ;-)

Maggot - 26 Jul 2004 11:02 - 88 of 158

Also added some AQP.

sandeepbharadwaj - 26 Jul 2004 11:02 - 89 of 158

sorry nloomy is bloomy (bloomberg)

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 11:03 - 90 of 158

Wonder if BFP will reach 80p today. Still short. ;-)

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 11:07 - 91 of 158

FTC results Monday. Very short!

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 11:10 - 92 of 158

Covered BFP +6. 'Tis enough for me! ;-))))

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 11:24 - 93 of 158

Hope no-one's long PTL.

Missed the break of a quid for a short. ;-(

fulhamken - 26 Jul 2004 11:29 - 94 of 158

closed ANL -5

maddoctor - 26 Jul 2004 11:36 - 95 of 158

whats causing this then? Englands failure to take a wicket?

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 11:40 - 96 of 158

Lobbed WBY -16ish

tonyjackson - 26 Jul 2004 11:40 - 97 of 158

Nice header Chocolat,thanks for the effort.
Well,no trading for a few days,last trade was SHORT ANL last Tuesday which was happily stopped out for what I thought at the time was a nasty loss of -12.Very nervous about holding shorts overnight now.Even more nervous about longing anything at all.Might just take a summer break.
Good luck all.Hope a few of you got a few quid out of ANL.

Kyoto - 26 Jul 2004 11:43 - 98 of 158

Bad luck on ANL fulhamken - I can't really agree with this level of weakness. 10% below the bid price (may well be less if BSCH fall but I'd still see a premium), no counter-bid premium at all which seems very premature at this stage. The way the market is at the moment it seems like a safer option than most...

fulhamken - 26 Jul 2004 11:51 - 99 of 158

fulhamken - 26 Jul 2004 11:52 - 100 of 158

WICKET - LARA OUT

maddoctor - 26 Jul 2004 11:55 - 101 of 158

ken , missed it :-(( have to wait for replay

edit : beautiful spin

fulhamken - 26 Jul 2004 11:59 - 102 of 158

kY -can't understand ANL either - where is the floor here 545 ? what will the 12.30 meeting do for it ? cash/share worth 600 depending on santanders share price really - but will someone else bid ?? any views ?

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 12:00 - 103 of 158

Blair bowling? ;-))))

chocolat - 26 Jul 2004 12:00 - 104 of 158

Morning all (just). Spacie will be pleased to know that I fully utilised the Concorde method for this morning's FX foray. Wicked!
:)

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 12:02 - 105 of 158

Short PLM

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 12:04 - 106 of 158

FTC might actually go this time. Bloody hope so coz I'm very, very, very short and bored waiting.

Kyoto - 26 Jul 2004 12:11 - 107 of 158

fulhamken - as per the ANL counter-bid, got to weigh up what evidence we have. The UK banks want to go down the domestic merger route because of substantial cost savings and we know they've been lobbying the government about this. Citigroup made an informal approach to Abbey a couple of months ago and I think we know what LLOY and RBS publicly stated positions are on this. There are lots of other 'ifs' and 'buts', but on the balance of probabilities I remain long.

edit: and somewhere lost in this, I believe ANL's results this morning came in above expectations...

another edit: but I'd have been happier if I could have bought it lower :-) Well, will look at buying more below 540 if we get there and if I'm around. Then it turns from a punt into a more serious position! Still, it would help if the Spanish Stock Exchange would resume trading in BSCH. What kind of market are they running over there?

more edit: ...and long again at 540. Now it gets interesting.

Maggot - 26 Jul 2004 12:54 - 108 of 158

Interesting that a spike of 15 up and straight down again just appeared on cmc's /$ forex chart but it never registered on IG's price! I know that their various prices reflect the betting on their site alone, but it's a wee bit suspicious - it would have shaken out some shorters with tight stops. Luckily I had not got a position.

BrianTrayda - 26 Jul 2004 12:54 - 109 of 158

Anybody calculated the ANL points impact on the FTSE? Just wondered where it would be with a flat ANL....

Kyoto - 26 Jul 2004 13:08 - 110 of 158

Santander BSCH is back on and trading at 7.73/74 - a drop from 8 on Friday. Now the arbitrage game begins.

sandeepbharadwaj - 26 Jul 2004 13:10 - 111 of 158

anl perky again, counterbid?

Treblewide - 26 Jul 2004 13:15 - 112 of 158

afternoon folks...just back from Barca.....top weekend however went to cafe Bagdad which is a rather dodgy club. Tried to humiliate the stag by getting him up on stage but guess who had swapped seats with him and was dragged up on stage by a close relative of Nadia from Big Brother...i feel used :-)

ThePlayboy - 26 Jul 2004 13:17 - 113 of 158

LOL dragged up by RAMBOY whatever next treble!

Kyoto - 26 Jul 2004 13:21 - 114 of 158

Rough ANL arbitrage as I'm busy but... 603-31 special dividend gives 572/800 pre-close = 603 bid therefore shareprice element is at .715 - BSCH 774 gives: (BSCH*0.715)+31=584.41

fulhamken - 26 Jul 2004 13:29 - 115 of 158

tkx kyoto

Treblewide - 26 Jul 2004 13:31 - 116 of 158

TP....i was man handled...not a pleasant experience however the rest of the boys seemed to think it was hiliarious!

Kyoto - 26 Jul 2004 13:33 - 117 of 158

Fulhamken - doesn't take into account exchange rates, possible dodgy sums on my part, not reading the bid document properly for longer than 1 minute, possibility that some regulator somewhere will block or due diligence will turn up something.

ThePlayboy - 26 Jul 2004 13:34 - 118 of 158

at least your maintaining a life outside trading treb, beats posting on the lonely hearts thread at midnight, heres one for all you truckers out there:)

fulhamken - 26 Jul 2004 13:51 - 119 of 158

closed short anl - 1
closed long anl + 10.5
closed long anl + 12.0

currently long anl 561

Boyse - 26 Jul 2004 13:58 - 120 of 158

26p bounce from Low all over the show

Spaceman - 26 Jul 2004 14:07 - 121 of 158

ruth, you have hotmail.

sandeepbharadwaj - 26 Jul 2004 14:10 - 122 of 158

anl +12. takeover price works at 5.45
present price of santa ia 7.80 at .66 exchange rate it values anl at 5.14
+ 31p div = 5.45

sandeepbharadwaj - 26 Jul 2004 14:12 - 123 of 158

price spike suggests that a counter bid is in the offing

Kyoto - 26 Jul 2004 14:13 - 124 of 158

What I don't understand about the ANL bid is why Reuters and Bloomberg are running stories saying that the bid is valued at 550-560 per - when the ANL release states 603. Any thoughts? Am I missing something here?

The terms of the Acquisition are based on the equity market
capitalisations of the two companies over the last three months and (taking into
account the special dividend) represent a premium for Abbey Shareholders of
approximately 28.6 per cent.2, valuing each Abbey Share at 603 pence (609 pence
taking into account 6 pence for dividend differential) and the entire issued
ordinary share capital of Abbey at approximately 8.9bn (13.4bn)(1),(2).
http://www.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/200407261002422015B.html

Abbey investors will receive one Santander share and 31 pence in cash for each Abbey share, Santander Chairman Emilio Botin told analysts in London. That values the offer at 560 pence a share based on the Spanish bank's closing price Friday.http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000006&sid=a9eY1aEP6iAk&refer=home

The terms value Abbey at 559 pence a share including the dividend payout, based on Santander's share price when it was suspended on Friday after the companies said they were in talks.
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=554053&section=news

MightyMicro - 26 Jul 2004 14:22 - 125 of 158

Santander double-bottied at 7.74 and bounced back to 7.83 Volume just 34m.

Kyoto - 26 Jul 2004 14:24 - 126 of 158

Yes, I am missing something. That wasn't 603 BSCH market cap Friday, but based on an average. So my sums are off. See what happens when you have a job and don't have time to read things?! Bad marks to ANL though.

Still holding, but very much thinking about my exit price now.

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 14:46 - 127 of 158

Plate-painting rent boy got back in one piece, I see.

Bummer!

ROFLMAO!

HelenW - 26 Jul 2004 14:48 - 128 of 158

Hi everyone and David, I have been off the board for a while as I have had computer problems. New computer - with TWO screens! now up and running, thanks to the computer prowess of Foale. Hoping the trading will now take off - to pay for the new computer, if nothing else! H

foale - 26 Jul 2004 14:50 - 129 of 158

Calling HelenW ru there?

HelenW - 26 Jul 2004 14:51 - 130 of 158

Yes, I'm here. God, this 17in screen is scary!!

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 14:53 - 131 of 158

Welcome back Helen. ;-))

foale - 26 Jul 2004 14:56 - 132 of 158

HelenW

you should not use the word prowess and 17" so
close together :-)


you have mail

HelenW - 26 Jul 2004 14:57 - 133 of 158

Thanks Al, I think I've had more comebacks on this board than Liza Minelli had in her singing career!

HelenW - 26 Jul 2004 14:58 - 134 of 158

Foale, don't flatter yourself! Thanks again for all the help.

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 15:05 - 135 of 158

Helen - haven't we all? ;-))

(Comebacks, that is!) LOL

Treblewide - 26 Jul 2004 15:17 - 136 of 158

thanks Al......

emailpat - 26 Jul 2004 15:30 - 137 of 158

Kyoto-almost kicked out anl 554-safe for the moment

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 15:33 - 138 of 158

T - good buddy! ;-) No worries. LOL

Your file gets thicker every day, m8. ;-)

Ruth - 26 Jul 2004 15:48 - 139 of 158

Helen, welcome back,:-)
Treble, whats time is you appointment at the std clinic? hope it doesnt clash with the dow hours:-)

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 15:57 - 140 of 158

AQP getting twitchy after its traditional intraday lull.

Kyoto - 26 Jul 2004 15:59 - 141 of 158

Out of ANL 557 for +13 overall. Have to sell now as I'm off for the day, otherwise I might have waited into the close. Nice profit, can't complain. Risk/reward on Santander doesn't seem worth it and although I wouldn't be surprised if another bidder came in I think I'll take what I've made today off the table.

Good luck to anyone holding into tomorrow.

Maggot - 26 Jul 2004 16:01 - 142 of 158

Al. Have not watched AQP duriung the day before; I was about to get in at 264 when it started motoring and eventually bought at 267 - too high, really. But I note the top MM is still selling at 268 so am fairly confident of a rise perhaps tomorrow, when punters who are at work see the news. Or am I being naive?

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 16:07 - 143 of 158

Maggot - AQP is very tricky. MM's never put up in size. My only rule is that once she goes it's more often than not good to jump aboard. My exits are usually not the best - leave it too long and she drifts off leaving little volume to shoot at. The alternative is to leave an order on the book and catch the tail of the rise, but it can so easily carry on at times. Very difficult to call.

I'd like to see a close above 266p to be absolutely happy.

fulhamken - 26 Jul 2004 16:07 - 144 of 158

WELL DONE kYOTO

i am still long - will wait for tom and a new bidder (i hope!!!! maybe splat!!)

Maggot - 26 Jul 2004 16:09 - 145 of 158

Al ):

Big Al - 26 Jul 2004 16:17 - 146 of 158

Oh dear. UKX falling into close.

Ruth - 26 Jul 2004 16:22 - 147 of 158

hold on, ftse in freefall, dow sick as a pig

Ruth - 26 Jul 2004 16:23 - 148 of 158

wheres that parachute:-)

Spaceman - 26 Jul 2004 16:24 - 149 of 158

anyone trying toi use MSN messenger this afternoon? it seems to be down.

Treblewide - 26 Jul 2004 16:26 - 150 of 158

space..so is hotmail...microsoft being as reliable as ever

Spaceman - 26 Jul 2004 16:29 - 151 of 158

Treble, I just ran their troubleshooter, it went away for about 3 minutes and then said I was having trouble with internet connectivity !!! strange how it doesnt affect anywhere other than Microsoft!! MS love to lie about where problems are, outlook will happily tell you you are having connectivity problems when it hits problems.

Ruth - 26 Jul 2004 16:29 - 152 of 158

Tim, ok here

Spaceman - 26 Jul 2004 16:38 - 153 of 158

thanks ruth, they use a number of different servers, the one i keep hitting is still down. did you get my hotmail earlier?

Jules - 26 Jul 2004 16:42 - 154 of 158

Hi all
been in and out for the last 10 days ....running sports camps for kids...
see the ftse is cr*p. Have been trading intermittently the smaller stock and have been doing quite well on mph, asc,pci and believe it or not vtb(sold this morning for nice profit) Have 2 shorts running with stops FTC and IOT, just going to keep trailing these till stopped out.
Nice to see Helen W back and hope the rest of you are doing well.
Going to have a nice glass of wine in the garden as head is spinning with endless questions from and instructions to 6 - 11 year olds:-)

Ruth - 26 Jul 2004 16:44 - 155 of 158

Tim, been on me brothers hotmail account, not mine, will chaeck if your arrived after me tea:-)
ftse still sick as a pig, futs down 53, and dow down 52,not pretty

Jules:-)

Treblewide - 26 Jul 2004 16:59 - 156 of 158

ruth...can i give you a call...have a wee IB emergency....

Ruth - 26 Jul 2004 17:22 - 157 of 158

Treble, you and your heavy breathing phone calls:-)

Dailos - 26 Jul 2004 18:44 - 158 of 158

Short MT. FTC IOT LOG
Long FWY DNX SPS HCEG VTI OXB
d.
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