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Traders Thread - Friday 7th November (EZJ)     

Crocodile - 06 Nov 2003 21:44

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US Stocks closed higher following the good results from Cisco and what is expected to be a strong labour market report tomorrow

Scottish and Newcastle said its 50 percent owned Baltic Beverages Holding in Eastern Europe, one of its key growth businesses, saw third-quarter sales in euros rise one percent.

Cookson Group electronics and ceramics engineering said that activity in its markets improved in Q3 and it made a profit. It expects to meet market expectations for the year.

EasyJet said it carried 1.92 million passengers in October, up 17.8 percent from the same month last year and its passenger loadings were 85.5 percent, up from 83.8 percent.

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BrianTrayda - 06 Nov 2003 23:28 - 2 of 33

I normally hang out on the Traders side, but it's been pointed out that the Investor side is really picking up steam, so I thought I copy this post.

As Nasdaq is leading again I thought I post this longer term chart as we approach 2000. Look along the 2000 line - resistance is there.
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ThePlayboy - 07 Nov 2003 07:06 - 3 of 33

Stockcharts
11/6: Moderate rally of indeterminant form with a corresponding technical improvement.
As mentioned yesterday, it is difficult to count the decline from 9890 as an impulse, and so far there is nothing that makes it any easier just yet.
If I had to guess, I would expect a pop and drop tomorrow with a marginal new high for the move before the rally completes.
A rapid decline without a new high makes things a bit less certain because of the 'not so impulsive' decline preceeding today's rally.
So, near term a drop at the open that takes out 9750 is an aggressive short signal, with a breach of the lower boundary (9600-9650) a sell confirm.
Once that level is breached, there needs to be a clear 4-5 before the move is done, and the 9750 level is where stops should go until that pattern is seen.
Reaction to tomorrow's economic reports will be key, as the so far 'good' reports have failed to produce much of a reaction in the markets so far.
When markets fail to rally on what is considered good news, it usually it doesn't make a convincing argument for higher prices.
Nothing to do but continue to wait for the market to tip it's hand one way or the other..





Updated 11/6 for Friday's market.
Key DOW Levels for 11/7
UP Above 9,900
DN Below 9,770

Upside Break
Dow trends within consolidation, followed by upside break.

From prior commentary, "...the downward-sloping consolidation continued to develop. Such formations hint at an upside break...the index could continue to develop the pattern, pushing down and to the right, before a break either way is seen..."
The Dow pushed lower off the upper boundary of the bullish pattern early in the session today, and continued to develop the pattern for much of the session, seen in the 15 Minute Chart. The index finally got the upside break from the range late in the session, which sparked a solid move higher to the Close, seen in both the 15 and 60 Minute Charts.

The upside break implies continued strength in the medium term. However, the index would benefit from the formation of either a higher low or a new consolidation at the high before such heights are seen. An upside break through the recent highs at 9,900 will tend to confirm another move higher.

If the index cannot rise above 9,900, look for the Dow to form a large trading range at the highs from the lows of 9,770 to 9,900, seen in the 60 Minute Chart.

Short Term Dow

Short term, the Dow rallied late in the session, forming a range from 9,840 to 9,770, seen in the 5 Minute Chart. Watch for a break from this range to indicate direction tomorrow morning.

Medium Term Dow

In the medium term, we triggered Shorts this morning at 9,775, but were stopped out (20 point loss). We later entered the market Long at 9,850 and are still in the trade. We will continue to hold 20 point stops for the position tomorrow. We will stay Long above 9,900 and will look for Shorts below 9,770.

NASDAQ & S&P

The NASDAQ and S&P each reversed off the morning lows today to trend higher to the Close. The NASDAQ is holding above resistance, while the S&P continues to push higher to its resistance level. Watch resistance closely. *

Summary

The Dow traded within the consolidation boundaries for most of the day before finally breaking to the upside, sparking a key rally to the Close. Further upside is implied, but the inde must hurdle the 9,900 level before another solid move higher is seen.



FRIDAY FTSE PP

R2 4369
R1 4347
PP 4315
S1 4293
S2 4261

Close was above Thu pp after gaining 2.1pts in the auction, Ftse still holding onto bullishness and Dow just about at 9775!

Crocodile - 07 Nov 2003 07:32 - 4 of 33

Thanks Brian, TP
Morning all

little woman - 07 Nov 2003 08:14 - 5 of 33

Morning all,

Thanks for the info -

Druid2 - 07 Nov 2003 08:14 - 6 of 33

Morning all. Stopped out of BARC shorts at 499 yesterday for a nice profit. Plenty of spare margin now to look for something else.

Melnibone - 07 Nov 2003 08:32 - 7 of 33

Morning all,

Bit earlier for me today, there's this strange orange thing
in the sky creeping over the horizon. ;-)

FTSE at R1. I would like to see it drop to at least PP before
the US payroll numbers.

Seems to not want to go above the weekly highs.(Check out the
5 day tab on the FTSE chart at top of this thread again).

I still maintain that we need good, not just inline numbers, for
the markets to start another leg up.

But that doesn't mean that I'm right. If only it was that easy.

Melnibone

little woman - 07 Nov 2003 08:50 - 8 of 33

I think the UK is picking up on the US optimism and just relieved that results aren't worse than expected (or like ENRON!)

Melnibone - 07 Nov 2003 09:03 - 9 of 33

FTSE kissing R2 at the end of the first hour.

It would have to be a brave buyer who bought here.

Melnibone

washlander - 07 Nov 2003 09:11 - 10 of 33

I feel one of the reasons we lag so far behind the US [I talk as a private investor] and the reasons we are so far in debt. Hence the interest hike, is because we are so heavily taxed in this country. This makes it very difficult to save. Consequently people resort to various forms of credit and remortgaging to raise finance. In turn this has a bigger effect on the investment market on the whole. The private investor is that much more cautious as they know how hard it was to come by that free cash so to speak. That is partly why I feel we lag so far behind the US.

little woman - 07 Nov 2003 09:23 - 11 of 33

The US are in far more debt than we are, but companies in the US pay their bills promptly, unlike in the UK - so we have major cash flow problems & they don't. Also they have chapter 11, so the consequences for companies are not as bad as they are in the UK - so they can afford to take risks but we can't in the uK!

Melnibone - 07 Nov 2003 09:39 - 12 of 33

That looks like it could be the mornings top to me.

BARC and AV. reluctant to go much above 500p
RBS didn't make R2.
FTSE still around R2

Melnibone

washlander - 07 Nov 2003 09:41 - 13 of 33

It is the psych in the US. If people go bankrupt they are appauled for getting back on their feet not treated as a pariah which seems to be the case over here.

Their economy is far far greater shape then we are and they did it by dropping taxes and not increasing it as seem to be the case over here. It appears that when ever this goverment and successive goverments make errors they just raise taxes.

Makes it very hard for the small investors to raise excess cash through savings.

little woman - 07 Nov 2003 09:50 - 14 of 33

I must agree that raising taxes is not the answer. You'd have thought that we would have learn't that from when Maggie was in power. She lowered Taxes and the Treasury raked in more money than ever and paid off loads of debt. The current Gvt, have raised indirect taxes (e.g.NIC) and not really raked in any more money than before, as we are all looking for ways of not paying the extra!

If they made personal allowances 12,000 and then taxed the rest at 15% (treat all types of income as the same), then there would be no reason not to declare every penny a person earn't, no matter who you were - the tax forms would be a lot simpler. Think of all the extra money the govt would rake in from the exta declared income!

(Taxation Accountants would go out of business, so it wouldn't be popular, but tax inspectors would have no need to investigate individuals and just spend their time on companies!) Too simple!

little woman - 07 Nov 2003 09:55 - 15 of 33

Look at BT.a go!

Melnibone - 07 Nov 2003 10:11 - 16 of 33

BT.A is a sore point with me.
Got my timing wrong there and only took a small profit.

I had my opportunity to rebuy lower but misjudged the market.

Never mind, the market and it's opportunities will always be there.

Melnibone.

little woman - 07 Nov 2003 10:46 - 17 of 33

I know what you mean, I had built up quite a large holding not so long ago, but got fed up with it not going anywhere, so sold to release the cash at a small loss to move on. (Which I must admit is coming along nicely!)

My only worry is I'm starting to use stop losses more and more to lock in profits, but have to restrict some to the actual day as the spread first thing in the morning would kick some of them in, which I wouldn't want! But this is dependant on being around to set them up after the spreads tighten up!

Melnibone - 07 Nov 2003 11:06 - 18 of 33

I tend to use manual stops. I don't trust the way these wierd spikes
tend to happen that take positions out.

Getting very reluctant to take long positions at the moment.
Markets are just too near the highs for comfort.

I know that you should follow the trend but I would prefer these
levels to become the lows of a new leg up.
I'm starting to get the feeling that this is the top of the current
leg. May start looking to short the FTSE on strength.

Definitely not buying anything prior to the payroll numbers and seeing
the markets reaction today and possibly Monday.

Melnibone

little woman - 07 Nov 2003 11:22 - 19 of 33

I'm not buying either, but using the stop losses to lock in profit in case the market does drop (or carry on up, so I don't lose out too much!)

Crocodile - 07 Nov 2003 12:26 - 20 of 33

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My new Grandson Zander with me this morning :-)


Snappy & Nappy (Thanks Vasey)

little woman - 07 Nov 2003 12:42 - 21 of 33

Excellent croc, I see you're still the doting grandfather.
LLOY is finally up, and of course so are the rest of the Banks!

FTSE well pass R2 - but can't see it hitting R3 4420! If it does??????????

zarif - 07 Nov 2003 13:04 - 22 of 33

Afternoon everybody:
Reckon the dow is going to hit 9950++ today??? and then take a nose dive.
I hope so.
good luck everybody

zarif

little woman - 07 Nov 2003 13:17 - 23 of 33

You're in early today zarif.

I think a lot of people think the same of the FTSE - A lot of shares seem to now be struggling to hold their current price! The next few hours will be interesting.

zarif - 07 Nov 2003 13:39 - 24 of 33

yep -little woman.
Just took a long out pre-open and closed with 30pt gain netting 150.

now just watching on the side lines

Melnibone - 07 Nov 2003 14:58 - 25 of 33

Looks like the US markets are doing a bit of gap filling
from where the futures left it higher than yesterdays close.
Wonder where it will go from there.

Payroll figures apparently priced into the FTSE this morning,
that's what threw me and put my timing out.

Payroll numbers were good but the make up isn't.
Manufacturing down but service industry(Wal Mart and fast food);-),
up. This what makes them look good.

Can't get a feel at the moment so I'm just watching.

Melnibone

little woman - 07 Nov 2003 15:01 - 26 of 33

I thought some of my stop losses (for profit) would have kicked in this morning (DXNS, GSK, LLOY & PSN - I thought nice cross section!) but they haven't... Oh well 90 min to go!

Melnibone - 07 Nov 2003 15:08 - 27 of 33

US gaps now filled and FTSE back below R2.

Looks like we were right not to buy yet.
I still think that all the good news is priced in
and the Indices are all approaching areas of major
resistance.
Time for care for position trades.

Melnibone

stockbunny - 07 Nov 2003 16:04 - 28 of 33

Ahhh love Croc. Junior - I know he's a grandson but I like the name croc junior!
Hope all you chaps and chapesses have a good afternoon and bag some cash somewhere! I don't 'short-term'or day trade as most know, but its interesting watching you lot and maybe at some point I'll move into short-term/day trading.
Its a good learning experience in the meantime, whlist I stick to my medium
term trading habits!!

Melnibone - 07 Nov 2003 16:22 - 29 of 33

Hi stockbunny,

Shrewd move, stick with the strategy that you feel comfortable
with and makes you money.

When you boil it down it's all the same. The only difference
is the timespan between your buy and sell. Be it minutes, hours, days,
weeks or years.

Melnibone

little woman - 07 Nov 2003 16:45 - 30 of 33

Out now - supposed have left 15 min ago. May take a look late tonight when I get back in to see if anyone has posted anything of interest.

Good US trading all those still at it!

zarif - 07 Nov 2003 17:05 - 31 of 33

Just creamed the dow again for 500 squids.
Seems to be hitting abrick wall around 9891 (say 9000).and goes down like abomber.
All the good results and no hike as expected -then again melnibone you are quite right best to let the markets action tell us what to do rather than pre-empt.
rgds
zarif

Melnibone - 07 Nov 2003 18:28 - 32 of 33

Ref BT.A,
I see this was embargoed until the Market Closed. Can't see it being
positive for the share price. Be aware of it if you are thinking of
taking a position in BT.A on Monday if it drops.
Try and correlate any drop in price with any drop in the FTSE.
An excessive drop should be greeted with caution.

OFTEL
07 November 2003

Embargoed - not for publication before 16.30 7 November 2003

53/03

7 November 2003

Oftel decision on certain BT marketing activities

Following an investigation of a complaint from Thus and BVL, and using new
powers under the Communications Act 2003, the Director General of
Telecommunications has ordered BT to stop using information about the transfer
of customers to alternative telecoms suppliers to undertake marketing activity
to dissuade these customers from switching.

Under current arrangements for some types of services, notably carrier
pre-selection, a telecoms company has to notify BT when a customer intends to
switch to its service, so that BT can make the necessary changes to its own
systems to allow the transfer to take place.

Until now, BT has passed this information to its marketing department, which has
then contacted the customer to try and persuade them to stay with BT. Oftel has
today ordered BT to stop carrying out this practice, on the grounds that it is
forbidden under the new EU Access and Interconnection Directive that came into
force in the UK in July 2003.

Melnibone

little woman - 07 Nov 2003 23:09 - 33 of 33

Interesting
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