All,

Adverts for tipsheets abound, all making their own various claims of success, some of which are somewhat dubious, to say the least.

In particular, I am thinking of the tipster that advertises his gains by using mid prices, which grossly distorts the true figure, if you were to utilise the bid-offer spreads that existed at the time.

I see adverts for Trendwatch, Red Hot Penny Shares, Growth Company Investor, Fleet Street Letter, to name but a few.

The question is, is there a GOOD tipshheet/tipster out there?

Is there a tipster/tipsheet that gives only occasional tips, rather than the "3 tips every week" type?

If so, please name them, and give your reasons for the nomination.
An idea of subscription price may be helpful as well, in case anyone was thinking of purchasing.

looking forward to some interesting replies!

TIA

I was looking at the Growth Company Investor advert

https://secure.growthcompany.co.uk/Campaign.aspx?id=54

But i have some reservations.

NINETY recommendations per month!!!!

How on earth are you supposed to work out which are the best???

This of course is an example of their ensuring they have some winners, which will be the ones you hear about in their future ads.

I too would prefer the occassional strong tip, as and when a situation may arise, as opposed to multiple tips that you couldn't possibly afford to buy each one, and when you select, you invariably select the wrong ones, and thereofre your gains are less, or even losses.

Dos anyone already subscribe to Growth Company investor, and if so, have you any comments please?

It certainly looks more than a tipping site, just put off by the multitide of tips.

Never mind the tipsheets---study Goldfingers threads. All interesting and worth considering even if you can't afford them all!

moneyplus,

You've strayed a little off topic here, as it was tipsheets I wanted to investigate, to see if, despite my sceptiscism, there's a worthwhile one, or indeed maybe one I haven't heard of, that existing sbscribers would personally recommend.

Whilst tipshets may not always tip the correct stocks, they can be a starting place for research about a company, and for putting said company on your watchlist for later in their development.

As an example, RHPS recommended OXUS around 20p, a few months back, so they certainly researched that one well!!! (78p now)


With the greatest of respect to "Goldfinger", do you always believe what you read on internet BB's?

He has only recently started his stockpicking thread here, so hardly a track record to go by!

If Goldfinger posts IDENTIFIABLE trades (ie 5005 shares instead of 5000) BEFORE they take place., for a period of time, we could monitor his track record, and be in a position to assess his ability, or lack of it, after some time.

Don't forget 2003 has been a good year for many stocks, and easier than the previous couple to pick a few winners and show a profit, even I did well!

Andy.

Andy spot on, would never wish anyone to just take my word for it on a stock pick, and always the reason I give a detailed account on a share unless it is one of the Momentum plays that I always identify before recommending them to anyone. Please note I have only picked an handful and they have been picked at the height of the Bull market( sometimes with this kind of a share it has gotten away by the time you bring it to the attention of the board if your not Quick). I always ask investors do there own research and also point out it is there responsibility for the timing and selling of shares, I can do no more than that.

As for my track record yes your spot on again not much history to go on, here on this board but on another site SC you will see that I picked the number two and number three biggest risers on the FTSE for the year and also got in at the very bottom, Amstrad and Photo-Me respectively. Both going on for near 500% rises. I have also had a very good year on AIM and the many risers I have achieved there compare with the two above.

Now as for tip sheets this site may help you as you can try them all out free and theres also free software packages again you can try out. Certainly andy worth having a trial. Personaly when I used tip sheets I always found TechInvest to be the best, but then again its the most expensive. You also find that on the first day its just not worth buying the shares as the MMs mark them up first thing and also widen the spread. I dont rule them out though as I think you should get as much info on stocks as you can from any source.

Heres the freebies site...........





Anywhttp://books.global-investor.com/pages/offers.htm?ginPtrCode=00000

cheers GF.

goldfinger,

Thanks for an honest reply, I wasn't doubting your sincerity when I replied to Moneyplus, I just wanted to put BB banter in perspective.

A friend of mine mentioned Techinvest, very favourably, strangely enough.

Many thanks for the freebie site, I'll check it out.

Best regards,

Andy.

Hello Goldfinger.....

Very interesting comments here, can I ask what the free software is you mention above?

Thanks

Brian Barwick

Has anyone ever subscribed to 'The Momentum Investor' ?

If so, any comments appreciated.

Their offering regularly falls out of Shares magazine, and they make some pretty tall claims, which I'm interested in hearing about, as they seem to dabble more in AIM shares, which is my area of interest.

I thought they were published by the same people as SCSW..

Hi Andy,

This is an interesting topic and somewhat difficult to know and trust that tipster/tipsheets have some reliability in their predictions and forecasts. IMHO unless these tipsters / tipsheeets are close to the sources of news for a company then the tips are generally no better than those in Shares or Investor Chronicle Magazines and in any event it still requires some of the DYOR.

All to often unknowledgeble investors do just this only to find that the share price drops rapidly as other investors sell and take profits. This in turn triggers savy investors stop-loss limits that result in further heavy selling which in turn drives the share price down and for the investor buying on the tip to then curse the tipster / tipsheet for the losses they are nursing for buying-in way to high above the previous trough. Sods Law! I have learnt this from experience in my days as a novice investor and before owning technical analysis and charting software - Reuters/Equis Metastock.

Critically, it is important that if any tipster/tipsheet recommendations are of interest to an investor following their own DYOR, he/she should not necessarily rush out and BUY the share immediately on the tip but to also check out its chart and the position of a few analysis indicators first. I use Metastock with a combination of analysis indicators and these help me to decide with a fair degree of accuracy of when to buy and sell investments tipped or from my own research.

One of the tools available in Metastock is called the Explorer where investors can use either Equis's built-in professional investment analysts or user defined custom trading rules to run daily searches for shares matching the required BUY or SELL signals. The Explorer rejects on average say 95%+ of tradable shares leaving a short list of shares that do fit the criteria. If the tipster / tipsheet recommendations are on the Metastock Explorer's shortlist for that day then you are far more certain that you are buying or selling with confidence. Therefore, by using this tool in conjunction with tipsters / tipsheets and DYOR into news & fundamentals etc. you are more likely to make profitable trading decisions.

Hi Brian B, please click on this link and have a good look around the site for free software. You dont get the whole package from what I remember but enough for you to make some kind of evaluation. Please click on freestuff heading aswell as the december specials.

Momentum Investor I used to get and would agree with a lot of what has been said already. Tends to take a long term view on tips and charts sometimes go back 5 years or more.

I personally like to have a gander at the Shares Mag, but still prefered it in its old style.

Brian heres the link to click on.





http://books.global-investor.com/pages/offers.htm?ginPtrCode=00000

cheers GF.

GF / legins / All,

Thanks for your replies, and at least the topic has stimulated some discussion on what has been a quiet BB this Xmas.

It is a bit disappointing that out of all the tipsheets mentioned here so far, no one tipsheet has really been recommended by anyone as being a good source of tips, or information.

Techinvest seems to be the only one that someone will recommend, and I may send away for a trial edition, just to get the feel. One of my co workers told me today he received their free trial, and was pleased with the tips, althought that was a couple of years ago, and he no longer actively trades.

With regard to Goldfinger's Share Magazine comment, I fully agree, it is indeed a good method of finding interesting companies, for further research and investigation. I too preferred the old format, but will have to accept the new one.

One example of a stock I found in Shares was Cardpoint, and my shareclub is already well in profit here. Looking at the most recent edition of Shares, Lawrence (AIM : LAC) looks interesting, and that's certainly a company I'd never heard of before.

Please keep the replies coming,

Andy.

Regarding my previous post.

For anyone who would like to find out more about Reuters Equis Metastock visit this website.

http://www.paritech.co.uk/default-uk.asp

I have no interest other than as a user of this software but very happy to recommend it and the customer/user support services and training that Paritech provides.

Andy

RHPS
i know its a well known tip sheet, but since TW left, it has improved enormously. whereas tom would hang on to his favoutites til the death ( sometimes literally ) recent editors are not afraid to admit mistakes early on and sell, saving investors a great deal of pain. i subscribe but only buy about one in 15 recs. generally doing very well with them.

supperod,

Ok thanks for that, I must admit I stopped RHPS after Bruce MCwilliams joined, simply because they weren't prepared to send out email alerts if one of their tips turned sour.

I spoke to Bruce about it, and he said it "wouldn't be fair" on those without email.

I would have thought that there are very few people without email access these days, and really what he was saying is that the many have to suffer (financially) to be "fair" to the few!

I know they picked Oxus a few months ago,and my Shareclub want to subscribe to a tipsheet, hence my starting this thread.

One person on another BB proposed a group of people all subscribing to different tipsheets, and pooling the info. Not sure if that ever got started, but it seemed a novel idea at the time.

There have been a couple of replies in The Trader's Room, which I am copying here.

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Seymour Clearly - 28 Dec'03 - 23:43 - 1 of 3


Andy, Interesting topic. I subscribe to Hemscott Analyst. It's an e-mail based sheet, all the tips are at the mid price, I have questioned them about this dubious practice and they would like to do it otherwise but the "industry standard" is mid price so they want their tips to be seen in the same light as everyone else. I tend to watch them but rarely buy them. Some small caps stocks can show huge price increases on the day but this is rarely sustained. I am very wary about buying small caps on their tips as the lack of liquidity makes huge swings inevitable. They do at least do a warts and all analysis on all their tips and hold their hands up when it goes wrong. imho it's one of the better ones around, and comes with t.a. attached to fundamental analysis.



mbbcat - 29 Dec'03 - 07:40 - 2 of 3


for uk mkt & stocks gni offer a variety of research some of it apears to be quite good
for forex see saxobank's daily report (free) also seems to get more right than wrong

imho nag dyor etc

Andy
pooling resources of different tip sheets may sound a good idea, but in my view is a non starter. most unfair on those paying a sub, plus the general idea of paying for a tip is to be ( hopefully ) a step ahead of other investors. i know bruce took a very dim view of any subscriber posting RHPS tips, and rightly so. i mailed him about "bulletin board thieves" and the next edition of RHPS carried that very phrase in the editorial. i didnt get recognition, so gracefully put it down to co-incidence. however i dont see anything wrong in anyone posting tips after a few days

For long-term investments Analyst is probably almost unbeatable - they do an enormous amount of research including visiting the companies and talking to the staff. They do not give tips, but cover about 40 companies, and each month they state whether the price is attractive (and they give the price they are talking about), or to hold, or to take profits. They cover the same companies every month, with about 10 in-depth features each month. Occasionally they bring in a new one or drop one which they consider does not reach their requirements. They are mainly run-of-the-mill companies which they say they understand well - eg Ultraframe, Next, DFS, Provident Financial, Speedy Hire, Rentokil, Wetherspoon, Hornby, Carpetright, Capita etc. No biotechs or pure tech companies.

Their website is: analystinvestor.com

They also have an investing service - I've only ever had the monthly magazine, which is 159 a year - expensive by some standards. I also understand that Techinvest is highly regarded - this focuses on tech companies.

supperrod,

I agree, but the idea (not mine BTW) was for a private email group, nothing was to be posted on the BB.

The idea was for each member to suscribe to a different tipsheet, and share the information within the group.

I agree with you about "BB thieves", but the MM's always know the tips in advance, and conveniently mark up the prices accordingly!

Click here for SCSW and Momentum Investor

Andy
i got lucky recently with the postal strike. i received a tip sheet a day early :0}}}}}}}

Dil,

Thanks for the link.


Supperrod,

So you could have beaten the MM's for the rise then!

I think their copy should be sent second class post persoonally.

Andy, heres a link for you to TechInvest. Click on the top header bar far left Performance and see new buys and current portfolio.





http://www.techinvest.co.uk/

cheers GF.

I received a flyer about "THE ZURICH CLUB" in August this year (long since disposed of)and posted on here for info from anybody about them. Did not receive any reply.

GF,

many thanks, that's just what I wanted!

I have had a look at Techinvest's performance table, and they have had an exceptional year by the looks of it.

Even allowing for the bid-offer spread, and dealing costs, they are well up.

The average number of tips per month is 3, so anyone investing 100 per tip would have made a superb return on their investment.

I will produce some figures from their table later.

Once again, thanks.

Andy.

B_askin,

Sorry you didn't receive any replies, maybe nobody has heard of the "Zurich Club"?

I have heard the name, I believe they meet in London hotels, but if I remember correctly, the subscription fee is a bit hefty for small investors.

Out of interest, did you do any research away from this list, and did you find anything that may interest this topic?

If so, please post it, the more the merrier!

Andy,
I didn't bother to look any further because I am a relative newcomer and since I have been reading this BB and shares magazine, I realise there are some very helpful and well informed people posting.
They also give an insight into the tricks that the Market Makers play which I find very useful.
I have also seen posts refering to individuals who have sent "too good to be true"flyers through the mail so I have avoided expensive mistakes.
It also keeps the cost down as I am still in the early stages of building up an investment pot.

B_askin,

To be honest, Shares Magazine is a decent source of information, at a fairly modest weekly cost.

The articles are normally clearly written, easy to understand, and form a decent starting point for looking further into a particular company.

By reading Shares magazine you get to hear about companies in areas you may not otherwise do, and in this way I heard about Cardpoint, which is well up on the price it was recommended at.

They also recently recommended a "sell" on Avocet Mining, which, in my opinon, is so far wrong I nearly emailed them! time will tell if they, or I am right, but nobody gets it right all the time.

regards,

Andy.

Andy: instead of looking for tipsheets else where -i hope u dont mind me saying that isnt it "woods for the trees" effect as the resource is right in front of you the bb/ib. there are a lot of very experienced traders here and if you start a dedicated thread than you shall have the latest and researched info collated and open to discussion the "world would be your oyster" pick and choose what u want dyor etc.Alas to say thats my two pence worth as i am a s/b person and rarely deal in shares.
i hope this helps and no offence intended
wishing u the best.

rgds
zarif

Zarif,

I agree with you completely, the BB is an axcellent source of ideas and information.

BUT - not everyone on a BB posts honestly, so you have to beware, it is a bit of a minefield. On ADVFN for example, there is a group of posters using multiple logon id's to ramp certain stocks, and yet this isn't obvious to the casual observer.

I started this thread to see if there was one tipsheet that people would recommend, and to monitor people's observations of the various sheets available.

My shareclub expressed an interest in subscribing to a good one, so I am attempting to assertain which one people like the best.

One of the members had a sample of RHPS, which peformed poorly during the time I subscribed, which to be fair, was just after the dot com boom, when everyone was losing.


Thanks for the reply,

Andy.

GF,

I have done a quich calculation using the Techinvest results for 2003 January to November.

They tipped 34 shares.

If you had picked THE WORST of the tips from each month, you would have made an average gain of 27.11%!

Of these WORST choices, there were 8 positive results, and three negatives.

The best gain was 72.72% (from January)
The worst loss was -13.04% (from November)

So, if you had made one investment of 100 each month, and managed to pick THE WORST performing of their recommendations for the whole year, your 1,000 investment would have made a profit of 298!

I have to say Techinvest's record is impressive.

If I have time later, I'll calculate the average of the mid and best choices, and in November their BEST pick gained 1065%, and yes, you read that correctly!

Andy.

andy - i understand what u mean and endorse that point the points that u make.not so long ago Gf had a lot of malaise directed to him.This is one of the best sites and if only there was a way to eliminate untrue rampings it would be no1 and untouchable on a class of its own that traders can utilise.
rgds
zarif

i regularly get mail shots from "The Zurich Club". apparently they are a close knit group that meets in posh hotels to discuss shares over a lavish meal ( as hinted at earlier by Andy ). the question that always pops up immediately in my mind is: IF they are so successful AND membership is limited ( in a REAL sense....eg say 2000 members and then its one out before another in ) WHY do they keep trying to get me to join? and WHERE did they get the idea i would be interested? not to mention my name and address?

if i get another mail shot i will post it here.
if it looks too good to be true it IS.

IS THERE A GOOD TIPSHEET?

how about the other point of view? IS THERE A BAD ONE?

imho i would stay well clear of the guy who has tipped on CH5 text. wont post his name in case hes reading this LOL
malcolm someone......

Guys this has been a fantastic debate, and I have to say its been fasinating.

We get Andy , who is a great guy and lets face it he speaks from the heart, the guy is a real truffle finder (andy nowt meant by this)and I say well done.

Now the important fact that I beleive is that ok, some T' Sheets are crap but as and as said its an excelent place to start research.

Please do not put a tip sheet down. take out the positives and chuck the negatives into touch.

A lot of people have asked me If I would start my own online tips site, and I always say no, and the reason being that I have been in this business over 20 years now, yup im only 37 but i have made my money and I come from a poor working class background, its just too much to take on at my time in life.

If anyone is interested in this business I would always provide some kind of support, but im very sorry I cannot give the kind of support I have been asked to give on SC at times.

Anyway Im now doing a trawl of the BBS, and will see you guys after the new year.


LOOK AFTER YOURSELFS, AND DO NO DRINK AND DRIVE, GET A TAXI.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE.

regards Goldfinger.

GF,

LOL!

Thanks, and have a good New Year yourself, look forward to resuming the debate after the festivities!!!

Tip Sheets. By definition any tip sheet is out of date as soon as it hits the stands, ergo the first flush has gone before YOU can deal. Not that this belittles tip sheets - but not many folk seem to know how to use them.What many provide is a reasoned argument for the future profitability of a given stock. Quite naturally the Marketmaker will IMMEDIATELY mark the tip up by a profitable amount, thus ensuring that all the idiots who read and reach for the phone in the same movement will pay for his day. Now. There is ALWAYS a first rush into a tipped stock but, often, this will produce some selling from stale bulls and can often lead to a price weakness about ten days on. This does not remove the underlying sense in such an investment, it merely means that you are in for a longer haul than a few immediate pence. How do you read all the tip sheets ? Well, you dont. You have the information distilled for you in the shape of a publication like 'MoneyWeek' where you can study a cull of the recen t tips and buy at your leisure. You wont benefit from the first flush but you will have a nice glow long after the others have flitted to another plant.

Andy, post 30 very interesting indeed. I did have subs to this about 5 years ago, buy youve now got me looking for my cheque book. Many thanks for those stats.

cheers GF.

I tend to use the FT (Saturdays) and The Business (Sundays). Being a tight old git I also pop in the local library some weekdays and read the FT for free. Their comments on companies results are usually a good guide. The old LEX on the back page used to be superb, very rarely giving an outright buy but when he did you were in the money. Seems Lex is now an amalgamation of the whole editorial team? though and not, in my opinion, as good.

Moneyweek, as mentioned by hilldee, also seems a good buy.


I used to buy Investors Chronicle a while back until I noticed that it's small company tips were possibly being leaked prior to publication and would always have extra buy volume on the Thursday before to comming out on the Friday.

I

I would recommend small company sharewatch (or scsw as also known). Picked up some terrific winners for me in 2003 - PhotoMe +400%, Imaginartion +200%, Filtonic +400%, (in less than 12 months!!!!!!))

easily pay for any errors they make esp if you follow a stoploss. Special offer of 79.50 for new subscribers- easily pays for itself if you are in any way a serious investor.
recently bought into Centurion, Kleenexe (+100% in 7 months) Armour and Vega after they tipped them (Vega now +100% in 5 months!)And the articles tend to be very thoroughtly researched.

You should call tehm on
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0208 656 4648
andget a sample issue to decide for yourself. My ISA has gone from 28k invested to 100k+ now. I cannot grumble,..!!

DP,

Thanks for that, impressive returns I have to say.

A couple of questions if you don't mind;

How many stocks do they tip/recommend per month?

Do they advise when to sell?

Do they publish result tables?

TIA,

Andy.

Best tips i got last year did not come from a tip sheet but the posters like youself Andy on mam.I started a thread on the bb's asking for tips and the feedback was brilliant and i must say helped me have a successful end to the year.Thinking about posting it again once the new year share tips are out of the way.

gardyne,

Thanks for the kind words, and I agree with you, BB's are an excellent source of information, and certainly provide fertile ground for new ideas for stocks to consider, and to further research.

I have certainly found profitable stocks after looking through the BB's, and owe thanks to those posters that first aroused my interest in those stocks that I have subsequently checked out, and gone on to make a profit on.

Hope you had a good New year, and please do start your thread again, it will no doubt throw up some news shares, and this BB is busier than last year, so well worthwhile trying IMHO.

Andy.

Andy,
Sharewatch usually recommend 2 main tips a month, and sometimes two smaller "idea" tips
so circa 35 main tips a year - not a scattergun approach used by others
It also has continues update every month on changes in forecasts and also on newsflow, sometimes they get it wrong, but from my experience not very often
they also visit every company they write on and most of the information tends to be very unique not just a rehashed announcement.
For 79.50 it more than pays for itself. cheap when compared to broker commissions - sack your advisory broker get cheap dealing and get sharewatch
like i said, my isa has more than quadrupled in 2003 from 28k to 100k+, largely on following sharewatch tips.
I also get the chronicle as general news but sharewatch is focused on small caps where you get big winners. call them on 0208 656 4648 and get a sample so decide for yourself.
you would be stupid not to try it!!

Has anyone any comments on web based tipters such as t1ps, Michael Walters, or Frequent Trader?

DP,

Ok thanks, I will call them for a recent copy, and check out their performance.

You don't need a tipsheet to pick momentum plays, just look at the charts.
They alway pick small high risk or recovery plays or stocks with possible blockbuster potential or just tech (because people always buy tech).
After the tips are releaed they become self fulfilling - until reality sets in and then they crash, but the insiders will have got out by then.

If you don't get it, its high risk for high returns with an edge due to the tipsheet effect.

yf23.1

To a degree what you say is true, but that could be said of all share comment.

I think what is being sought here is a tipsheet that consistently picks growth stocks in their infancy, rather than short term trades.

At least that's what i want from a tipsheet.

Has anyone heard of Investorease?

Is so, any comments welcome!!!

Aimtrader, heres my thoughts on the 3 online tip sites you mention.

T1ps - T Winnifrith seems to have got out of his problem of not being able to sell stocks he has picked, and especially dogs. There is some excelent web casts with star profile gurus like Evil K , N Wray, Young Slater and so on.
Updates are very punctual and he does some fine online casts with the CEOs of the companys he has tipped.

Downside a lot of people would say that TWs tips could be more adventurous. He also seems to be a chap who is rather inflexible aswell. The B/Board is very quite and censorship is often overdone.

M Walters Site- Excelent site this and Mike Walters really is adventurous especially on techs. B/Board is top class and you do get some of the best non - pro tipsters about posting. He does have guests on the site.

Downside - Tends to do a lot of tipping of small companies on Ofex. Sometimes doesnt tip for weeks on end saying that this is because it just isnt worth it and the markets arent worth going into. Doesnt get the real big names like T1ps.

Frequent Trader - Robbie Burns a pal of mine, well I say its top class and he isnt a tipster as such but gives a daily diary.

Downside Doesnt tip AIM Stocks.

cheers gf.

Any way judge FrequentTrader by clicking on the link below. Its free.

cheers GF.

http://www.frequenttrader.info/p2.html

I add my voice to recommend frequenttrader.info - excellent information with no jargon and free access, have made a lot this year from this site especially Van and Tep.

Another reply from the Trader's |Room.
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hawkeye - 04 Jan'04 - 16:51 - 4 of 5

Andy,

Since April this year, I have subscribed to RedSkyResearch Aim and Ofex newsletter, see www.redskyresearch.com

I started the subscription because I needed to build an aim portfolio which has to be held for at least two years. So far they have done me very well, but it does beg the question, could any one have failed to do well this year? This is emphasised by the amount of crowing going in the financial sections of the papers this weekend:-)

See link for sample sheet. Updated monthly. Free to Fyshe clients.
www.fyshe-group.co.uk/FysheHortonFinney/newsletter/FysheFocus.pdf

sharewatch and techinvest are the only ones worth reading

small co sharewatch
if it hasnt already been posted

http://www.scsw.co.uk

problem with techinvest is when they go wrong you get killed - techinvest tipped warthog at 20p and said sell at 5p, a 75% loss in 5 months or so.

I dont use tipsheets but do subscribe to the Mike Walters site which is worth every penny. Lots of very knowlegable people on the board.

http://www.michaelwalters.com

amr looking great at mo

First time I have had chance to look at this thread. I agree with Goldfinger on 28 Dec. I have picked up some good tips from shares mag, but I much preferred the old style magazine.

I subscribe to Momentum Investor and am impressed. They seem to give a more detailed insight into the companies they write about (compared with say shares magazine) - they focus closely on companies with rising profits and strong management - not so interested in pe ratios...hence shares with 'momentum' that will continue to rise strongly. They do of course run the risk of backing a share when it might start topping out ...but that goes with the territory. In my experience they get most things right. But MI does not do aim stocks.

For aim stocks I like the aim and ofex newsletter by redskyresearch.com... in the last few weeks they have been championing the likes of Mears, Cardpoint, Pipex, Landround and a number of good gold mining stocks. I think they are good too but.....most tipsters look good when markets are rising!

Gallick,

Do you subscribe to redskyresearch.com?

>> Andy<<

Yes I do

gallick,

Out of interest, which gold stocks are they following?

Just the names will do, I don't want you getting in trouble by pasting in their info!

This is a genuine question though, because if I'm impressed with their choices, I may well consider subscribing via my shareclub.

Andy,

They have looked at the main aim gold mining suspects eg Avocet, Oxus, Peter Hambro,Thistle etc. I get the impression that of the lot they like Peter Hambro the most, who incidentally Momentum also like.

Just found this thread but haven't time to read all 60 postings.Suggest that Red Hot seem to be improving & do a useful Thurs. update by e-mail.They certainly made an impact on Monday morning.
Wouldn't be without Techinvest.
Not sure how much we can refer to tip sheets here.

I find with Red Hot Penny shares, the shares they tip go up but, by the time you get them,the price has already gone up. On Monday they tipped three shares,when the market opened,they had already gone up by 17.5p,9.75p and 25p.This makes them history,and no use to anyone.

I note that Evil Knievil has a fortnightly webcast on t1ps.com. If anybody subscribes, would this justify the subcription, in your opinion? How about the rest of their service?

cancelled watsot following a period of poor perfoirmance but still have subscription to small company sharewatch scsw and shares mag

Re Evil Kneivel (Simon Cawkwell ) on tips.com
I subscribe mainly to listen to the webcast I find Evil very infomed he seems to have his finger on the pulse he is making a fortune and i find him hilarious he bets on anything.

Midaz

mms also subscribe to tipsheets. they just mark up on a tip to catch the mugs. RHPS recommends waiting a few days after publishing a tip in order for the share to stabilise.

as a subscriber i will naturally not be posting info that i and others have paid for, but their record since getting rid of Tom W is pretty impressive. a major plus in my book is that they are not afraid to say they were wrong and recommend selling a lemon.

supperrod,

After reviewing the tipsheets recommended here, I think Techinvest seemed to be the best, IMHO.

What I did like was you could logon to their site, and see ALL their recommendations for the last 4 years, and performance up to a sell, or to date if still held.

The last time I looked thay had changed this, maybe because the small caps are falling back now?

http://www.techinvest.co.uk/record.shtml

Well I think Techinvest will always be the best performer in a red hot bull market but in these present markets no, in fact it only gave one buy last week I am told Microgen.

Company share watch as a pretty balanced offering in any market but there is a new kid on the block which you can find on the Motley fool Site and get a months free subs and download the last three issues for nothing. I t concentrates on PYAD shares, value shares and reckons to perform in any market conditions focusing not on the market, not on the sector, but solely on the company itself if it is undervalued.

Well worth taking up the trial one month offer, also has a seperate B/Board for members, and updates are posted through the month on the tip site.

cheers GF.

Gf,

thanks, will take a look at that.

Anybody subscribing to Quantum Leap.

Just graphed in their the profiled performance companies.

Looking at the graphs, although there was profit to be made, I am glad I didn't subscribe.

Like a good many of others on this thread think Techinvest is worth the the charges. But for the last few months Techs are not the flavour of the month.

And I will endeavour more and more to implement stop losses on profits and leave the profit in my pocket before reinvesting.

Also found GF suggestion of http://www.frequenttrader.info/p2.html very interesting.

seem to remember either cnbc or bloomberg did a study on this subject,result was rubbish except for two,cant remember which tey were,e-mail them.

recently subscribed to Quantum Leap (49 for first year.) Bought Caffe Nero @ 78.75p on 11.03 (QL recommmendation 10.03)sold 8 days later @ 87.5p - bid price now about 98p. Similarly, CSR on 04.05 (QL recommendation 29.04 and 27.05) bought @ 259.65p, sold 4 days later at 298.91p - bid price now about 328p. 460 profit in 12 days in the market - no complaints other than I sold too early in both cases. Money well spent in my case. Be lucky.

the question we should ALL be asking......if ANY tip sheet is any good why dont the puplishers BUY SHARES? rhetorical question btw.



a tip sheet recommends a share.....your only real hope is that you are holding that share prior to the tip.......then sell on the rise. my opinion only

I agree with Superrod.

Do you think that there is there anybody out there who will buy Fred's Tip Sheet of the Year, I need somebody to wake up an interest in shares I have discovered.(Certain winners I thought.) The problem is that the market seems as always to be overloook my discoveries.

Quantum Leap have recommended 10 new shares since 28.01.04 (about 2 a month.)7 are up, 3 are down, 5 were recommended on or since 29.04.04 and the average gain across all 10 is +7.1%. All are medium to large caps, thus narrow spread, and should be viewed as medium to long term investments. If your tip sheet is as detailed and successful Fred, I may just buy it. What are you tipping at the moment, your cheque is in the post? Be lucky.

superrod,
I agree with you i.e.Why do the publishers not buy shares ?
I said this months ago about ALL tipsters/magazines i.e.Why are they tipping
when they should be billionaires?

rgds
aj

AJ, Good question. Probably because there is a market for their product !

There is a saying about those who can or something.

But without the tipsters the market would be a more boring place.

The saying applies to students and teachers because we all know what a lazy bunch they are..

take the other point of view....

just suppose i was a well known tipster with TV exposure on, say, a lunchtime money show. i tip a share and it rockets for obvious reasons. punters flock to subscribe to my tipsheet. previously tipped shares now plummet bacause the lemmings realise they were....LEMMINGS. i can advertise my 50% rise in XYZ and sell my tipsheet to even more peeps.

HOW can i LOSE?




easy


dont be me, be a subscriber to my tipsheet.

however i do use tipsheets as just another tool

everything has its use

Tipsters take money from - ? Why tip instead of making fortunes dealing ?
Would you ?
rgds aj

Shares Mag and Small Company Sharewatch worth my money

Andy, Is there a good tipsheet. The answer is no. The nearest I believe is Techinvest, having read it for 11 years. If you find tech shares a bit volatile, then try Small Company Share Watch, similar sort of layout but including non tech shares. the fun part is when both tipsheets tip the same company. I have only starting reading scsw the last year and their portfolio has outperformed techinvest since then.

This might prove useful. https://www.tipstracker.com/default.asp

quality thread this. thanks for all contributors, I've learnt a great deal from it.

I subscribed to t1ps.com and wats.hot this year and have done extremely well out of ASC and MPH, though both of these are wats.hot tips rather than Winnifriths. I have been unimpressed by TW and Evil generally, they seem too keen on highly speculative mining stocks which looks like a bubble sector to me. Their timing is also pretty lousy IMO, even if some of the tips are long term winners. MWM who did wats.hot had some bizarre and highly volatile tips which he seemed to have large stakes in such as Caplay, Hansard etc. He seems to have been removed from the site...

having read the above posts and links it seems t1ps also run the tipstracker site which explains where many of their ideas originate, i.e. Momentum Investor and redskyresearch. I might go direct to the source in future.

cheers all.

Mmm I wont make any comments about t1ps.com or wats.hot but if you want a very good financial site then I would recomend the Michael Walters site. Apart from Mike Walters there are some very knowlegable posters.

http://www.michaelwalters.com/

Has anyone any knowledge of Ian Elwes' The Share Weekly?

Currently offering a promotion of 47.50 first year.

Brought to top for Roro.

WT

roro?

Andy,

Roro posted on the RTD thread with a query about a tip sheet.

WT.

WT,

Ok thanks, thought it was a new acronym for a moment!

toussaint500, re Evil Knievil on t1ps.com. I cancelled my subscription (subscribed one year only) partly because this interview was so boring and repetitive. There are lists of shares that Evil Knievil either shorts or longs, same every time with the odd exception - he shorted ASOS a few weeks ago - and he said he had recently been making more money on the horses than the market, doesn't mention which ones.

The rest of their service, in my opinion, has deteriorated a lot during the year. Tom Winnifrith seemed to be more interested in his annual seminar meeting and subsequent round the country gatherings than his website, got completley bogged down with two companies he'd given bad reports on. Could say more but feel I'd better not.

Angi you mean that rubber company that thinks it makes a substitute for steel and that little company on Ofex?.

cheers GF.

Andy
As a newbie to this game I checked out the tips tracked by David Linton on tipstracker.com. Shares mag was ranking third out of everyone in the latest survey, which isn't bad considering they're putting out two or three tips a week. I've only just started buying it... has the format changed much and what did it used to be like?

mechanicman,

never used Tipstracker.com, but would welcome any comment regarding it's content etc.

Shares Mag has had some decet tips recently, and I guess we've all become accustomed to the new format. One improvement, IMHO, has been more chart analysis, which I for one find interesting.

A bit of caution may be required though, as they in fact have a few main 'tips', and several other 'recommendations' per week, so hard to judge which may or not have been included in the final figures for the survey.

One trick is for the tipster to use a mid price, (which is not a price you can buy and sell at), and subsequently distorts the amount of money you would have made by using the bid / offer spread, quite considerably.

Out of interest, who occupies the first two positions in the survey you mentioned please?

Here's the table - hope you can make sense of it. It incorporates the official tips rather than those where there's just an opinion on a share as part of a wider article... same goes for IC. The mid-price is used as the common basis, I think... this seems to be the industry standard benchmark for comparing performance.

Publication Rank Number of Tips % that Look Good % that are SELLS % Return
Unquoted Analyst 1 (5) 8 0 25 19
Mail on Sunday 2 (2) 14 21 36 10
Shares Magazine 3 (3) 38 42 10 8
Red Hot Penny Shares 4 (-) 21 38 33 7
Times 4 (7) 63 32 30 7
Members Requests 4 (-) 14 29 29 7
Investors Chronicle 4 (5) 66 14 21 7
t1ps.com 5 (4) 5 20 20 6
Daily Telegraph 6 (5) 96 24 34 5
Sunday Telegraph 7 (8) 19 26 32 4
WhatsHot 8 (1) 13 46 15 3
Sunday Express 8 (8) 4 25 75 3
UK Analyst 9 (6) 39 10 36 2
Independent 10 (8) 52 20 36 -2
Growth Company Investor 11 (9) 7 0 29 -5

extract from a piece in The Tgraf:



.... All I've done is adapt some analysis he (Mervyn King, the Governor of the Bank of England) recently employed in a speech to the British Academy, called
What Fates Impose: Facing up to Uncertainty.

His lecture is filled with cautionary tales. My favourite - largely
because it's the time of year when big `eads like myself are supposed to make
hubristic forecasts (and you should turn the page now if you're expecting one
of those) - is his scam for persuading investors that he has perfect
foresight when it comes to predicting stock market movements.

What this King of cons would do is select 6,000 names at random from the London
telephone directory. And he would then divide them into two equal groups and
send letters to one group predicting that the market will rise over the
succeeding week, while the other group would be sent letters forecasting that
it will fall.

If shares rise, he will then write again only to the 3,000 people to whom he
gave the right prediction. And again he will split them into two groups, and
despatch missives to each group, with half the letters calling an imminent fall
and the other half prognosticating a rise.

This process of binary fission is repeated for several more weeks, with letters
only being sent to recipients of accurate predictions. Anyway, after five
weeks, there would be 187.5 people who would probably be convinced that the
Governor - as King should for ever be known in the community of grifters
and hucksters - has almost magical powers to predict market movements.
And if he so chose, he would probably persuade a fair old number of them to
hand over their life savings to him...

Havent read all the way back on this thread, but how many of you subscribe to MoneyWeek - which I consider a little gem. Whilst it(since its a digest) does not give tips of its own it shows a rare ability to cull the worlds news for good companies. Working on the old basis that, unless the tipster has discovered a RARE GEM the initial post disclosure price will NOT hold through two weeks, its always possible to, then, make a sensible purchase. Of course you do have to have the ability to recognize a future star rather than a market puff...but this is not all that hard. Some are genuine stars and fail for good reasons, mainly bad luck.Some are run by crooks or incompetents and some are so good that you spend the rest of your day's thanking the Gods that you noticed them AND took action. I must confess that I prefer the reflective rather than the imperative and, thus, prefer MoneyWeek to most others.

hildee,

Thanks, I would like to have monitored Moneyweek for a few editions, but sadly the only place I know where you can buy it "off the shelf" is WHS in Kings Cross Station!


And as I am rarely there, I haven't really has the chance to form an opinion.

My initial observation is that I already receive the daily newspaper tips, aso n ot much else to add in Moneyweek, as they list them too.

Stop mucking about lads, although just 4 weeks behind so what, use your noggings.

http://www.techinvest.co.uk/NewBuys.php

The best tip site going andIm giving it you more or less free, plus you dont get taken in in the first week or so by the greedy MMs.

cheers GF.

Know what I mean? LOL. Happy new year.

cheers GF. Deal Group Media DGM for the top 2005.

Goldfinger,

Yes a timely reminder for techinvest, and looking at the table, they have dome ok again thois year, and our shareclub would have exited the large losses around the 20% mark, so would have gained more then the claimed 7% easily.

Chers, and a Happy New Year to you too!


ps

PDX will be 2005 champions IMHO!

Hi All
The Zurich Club
Part of the Fleetstreet Publishing stable, "private investor's network"
They look a very professional group and claim to tipped gains:
125% Wimpey
202% Glisten
98% House of Fraser
25% MEPC
87% IMPERIAL TOBACCO
46% Travis Perkins
96% powergen electricity
39% great universal Stores
123% Galagher Group
67%Matin International
They are a subscription only 120.00pa--selective customer---service
If anyone interested I could post further info
alan

Andy The Moneyweek subscription line is 0870 126 1720 and you can have the thing posted each week. Costs me around 1.20 and is well worth every penny. The point being that it culls from sources your newspaper doesnt even consider.As to the other ones. I found Techinvest to be rather difficult to follow and seems to produce more tips that I could ever follow. Since it then picks the best of that blanket to claim advances it follows that, unless you backed them all, you are not always a winner.The Zurich Club (I was, also, a subscriber) - I found to be pretentious and somewhat boring.Covering areas I might LIKE to indulge in -like second passports and secreted bank accounts But, since I am NOT a multi millionaire....

Techinvest's 7 year record looks pretty decent!

http://www.techinvest.ie/NewBuys.php

scottie7
no offence, but ive been invited to join the "exclusive Zurich Group" at least 4 times in the last 12 months.

In answer to your question, no, I don't think so. They only broadcast the successful ones. I think The Naked trader's site's not bad.