MOTIVES ???
rgds aj

To entice other people to buy the shares, to drive the price up, to enable them to sell at a higher price - simple!!!

So here goes:

Ramp DNX going to 5, RTD to 50p, SKP to 1.50 RAMP RAMP RAMP

When thinking 'Rampers', don't just think of the small guy
ramping the small caps.

Think Brokers ramping large caps.
Think newspaper tipsters ramping mid caps.

When a Broker/Tipster waxes lyrical over an over analysed large/mid cap,
is he saying:

"OK guys. This baby's undervalued, even though the world and his
dog have been over the accounts with Sherlock's magnifying glass.
Buy now, before us and then we'll buy and push the price up for you."

Or are they saying:

"We've filled our boots with these, so if all you little guys will
start buying this wondrous stock, we'll sell our's to you and take a
fat profit and leave you holding the baby."

Melnibone.

Being an incredibly ignorant new boy, I had wondered what the expression 'ramping' referred to - though I had my suspiccions.

Thank you, Melnibone, for giving such a graphic example - I shall now be in my guard.

PS: Is there any guidance on separating rampers from the honest researcher who is sharing their valuable opinions on here?

Being an incredibly ignorant new boy, I had wondered what the expression 'ramping' referred to - though I had my suspicions.

Thank you, Melnibone, for giving such a graphic example - I shall now be on my guard.

PS: Is there any guidance on separating rampers from the honest researcher who is sharing their valuable opinions on here?

melnibone,

I think it's the latter!

Thanks but I knew what it meant.I was wondering if SueHelen,etc would post?
rgds aj

I must admit I try to avoid giving "tips". I will say what I'm up to, why I am
doing it/what I think - then its up to others to decide if they think its
crap, or perhaps my there is something behind my reasoning.

I've seen so many people start threads on this BB over the last 18 months,
initially many do well, but because the reality is they are "ramping" in time
anyone "joining the bandwagon" late will end out losing out and people start
going for the individual as the realisation that they are actually ramping the
share.

The sad thing is that the "individual" doing the ramping is often totally
unaware that is what they are doing, which is why they will deny it.

Hi littlewoman,

I NEVER saw you ramping i.e.I agree with your opening paragraph.

I disagree with your third paragraph i.e.I think he/she/it is usually well
aware of what they are doing and why they are doing it.I think ramping is
despicable as new investors can easily be influenced by the persausive
post/s to buy/sell and consequently often lose money.
rgds aj

Ultimately, ramping and deramping will go on on bulletin boards. Its far less on here than on other sites.

Personal view is that it is always up to the individual investing to do their own research and make their own decision whether to buy.

Like LW, I will post on shares I own or am looking to buy ,why I think the share price will increase based purely on my fundamental analysis of the company. If I see a tip/ramp post that catches my attention (rarely) I will still do my full research before making a decision and on that basis will always take full responsibility for my trades and will not blame another poster if the share goes down.

The posts I always ignore are those that make predictions but without backing them up with facts (see my earlier post for examples!!!)

I never saw you ramp.

I agree with your second sentence.However,many new investors consider this
board as being part of their research.
rgds aj

Ajren, perhaps I just don't like to think people are that ruthless. Although I
do agree what you say about new investors.

People often think that the "tip" is a type of "insider trader" tip, which of
course we all know never happens (:-)), but of course it is nothing of the
kind. Just someone who has invested in a share and wants everyone else to
join in. There may be additional motives, but unless someone admits to it, we
have to decide for ourselves what we should or should not believe or accept,
and some people will make the wrong decisions and learn the hard way.

littlewoman,

I would like to agree with you.However,some rampers on this board appear
to be totally ruthless.
rgds aj

If you start a thread on a particular share it is not just ramping is it! You do it to see what other investors/traders thoughts are and how it compares to your own investing skills. It is also nice to feel that you are not the only one invested in a particular share and a good way to make friends with similar ideas. Yes you want other people to became interested in the stock and buy shares but you cannot always say it is ramping.

I do this myself and it certainly is not ramping.
rgds aj

Anyone who takes a trade based on someone else's opinion gets what they deserve imho!

Rampers write very persausive posts so as to extract money from new investors.
They are ruthless.
rgds aj

Rampers are dreadful people .... scum of the earth. Hanging is too good for them. Anybody caught ramping should be forced to watch Tottenham play for a whole season as punishment.

hilary,

Gooner agree with you on that one!

New threads started on a particular stock should be seen only as a starting point for thorough individual research.

It is obvious though, from the number of posts on particular threads, that a frenzy of interest can be brought about, and unrealistic expectations placed upon a stock. I'm afraid I can't see that situation change.

Certain posters on these boards also seem to have attracted a "cult" following. My thoughts are very simple in this regard; if these "hero" investors are so successful they should be very very rich by now, and if so, wouldn't be bothered posting on this board.

I think it is more likely that those that chase every new penny share put forward for discussion, simply win on some & lose on some.

TSQ.

Rampers are dreadful, unless they own a stock I also own! :)

TSQ?

Ur question Velocity?

Sorry mate, just twigged your initials - thought it was an abbreviated sign-off or something, doh, I'll go back to sleep now!

Scrip...

LOL

I haven't found rampers much of a problem on AM so far.

It is worth reminding possible investors that people often have their own agenda and recommend stocks heavily (ramp) for their own benefit.

Believe very little of what is posted on BBs.

Apart from what you or I say?

SueHelen,
Do you ramp ?
rgds aj

To anyone new here.

Rule 1 - never listen to BB's. Always satisfy yourself the purchase/sale is based on your own idea/research, etc.

SueHelen,
Do you ramp ?
rgds aj

I would just like to ramp AZN which is currently bouncing v. nicely off 25.20 support :-))

Please give SueHelen the opportunity to answer the question i.e.Do you ramp ?
rgds aj

I'd like to ramp JKX, MRS and PLR, all of which I am long.

JKX and MRS are OK, but PLR is lagging a bit. BUY!!

You'd never catch me ramping.

Great minds! ;-))))))

Oh, and never jump onto a share Hil is ramping coz you'll make money. LOL

Does SueHelen ramp ?
rgds aj

Ring any bells, Big Al?



:o)

ROFLMAO!

I repeat :- Does SueHelen ramp ?
rgds aj

Oh Ajren...you will find my NO answer on the other thread....or was that the wrong answer...will a big FAT YES answer satisfy you...Let me know when you start policing all the BB's on the web.

Are you in charge of the Thread Police, ajren?

http://www.advfn.com/cmn/fbb/thread.php3?id=6093747

The above stock is being ramped off the monitor at the moment on ADVFN...anyone daring to visit the thread as they are extracting money from naive investors.

SueHelen does not ramp -- so she says.
rgds aj

I heard theres a deal in the pipeline Al , RNS due any day now.

Hold on in there you'll be rich beyond your dreams this time next week (if Scripo picks the bloody right 6 numbers).

:-)

:-))

Is this the one with Tricky Branson holding all the stock?

SueHelen before xmas

CMS ----- 50P
NOW------- 8P
rgds aj

Guys

Can a share really be "ramped" on a small board like this??? Most companys have millions of shares, can the small guy really make a differance??? I can understand that a write up in a national newspaper could "ramp" a price!! but a tip on here, surely not...

Feel free to correct me...

Also ajren, I like the fact that people tip on this board (ie SueHelen), she aint forcing people to buy. I dont have all day finding a new share, so its good to browse the boards, find 10 tips or so and then do some homework and choose the share "I" want....

So ajren, rather than just diggin at SueHelen can you state where and why she has "ramped" shares, so people can make up there own minds????

I just hope this sort of negative "rampers (tippers) hang" posts dont stop people posting their tips.

Simon

SueHelen Ramp.Where ? Why ?
Please see above i.e.CMS 50 P before xmas
NOW 8 P
rgds aj

I dont understand...

How is the fact that a share has gone down from 50p to 8p SueHelens fault???

Sorry, I really dont understand..

Simon

Are you seriously suggesting 50p was not a ramp ?
rgds aj

Its sad to see people blaming sue helen for different reasons,as shes been honest about her opinions,and now and then we all make mistakes, other wise we wont be human.Come on sue just ignore all this and carry on the good work that you put in ,as the time will come soon where your predictions will come good ,and than answer your critics.

No, I dont know enough to suggest that!!

But are you suggesting that SueHelen caused this share to go down to 8p??

I am guessing that SueHelen recommended this share at 50p and now its 8p, does that not happen sometimes, I purchased Pipex at over 10p, looks a good growing company now 9p ish, Matrix looked (and still looks) good, but has come down from 5p to 3.3p. Dont this just happen sometimes, how is it somebodys fault (part from the MM's)?

Simon

I repeat :-

Are you seriously suggesting 50p was not a ramp ?
rgds aj

I repeat :-

No, I dont know enough to suggest that!!

Simon

Another explanation to indicate it was not a ramp?
rgds aj

You gota love a bitch fight at the end of the day, it really makes the last hour at work pass fast :)

ajren

As I have made clear, I cant explain why it was or was not ramped... But I have asked some questions based on what you have stated, but you are a bit like a stuck record. So I will asked again, how can it be anybody fault that a share has gone down from 50p to 8p? and can a share really be ramped to any worth while extent on a piddly little board like this??

Simon

No i think you misunderstood me ,i am trying to defend Sue helen here,She has tipped a lot of stocks with a lot of information to back her tips,and has been in profit,some people must have taken sues tips,and than bought them at a higher prices and thats there own fault,but at some point we start blaming others.Which i think is wrong.

50p not a ramp ?
rgds aj

lets be scientific here. i have just placed a 50 pence piece against a high kerb and attempted to drive my car up it .i know need a new bumper . therefore, the evidence leads one to believe that 50p couldnt be a ramp.

An attempt to muddy the waters rather than deal with :-
50p not a ramp ?
rgds aj

;-)

Bosley - ROFLMAO

Gausie,
This is a business board.
rgds aj

TAD: a quid by Christmas. Oops, sorry, wrong thread . . .

CRB = 150 by Christmas
rgds aj

Indeed Gausie. This is a business board.

Btw, ajren, you didn't answer Gausie's question.

:o)

Post edited by Moderator

May i ramp Bods while i am here!

Great beer in a can and rather gorgeous. May go up in price but well worth it.

Ta.

is anybody here a child , have the mental age of a child? before you all answer with silly remarks i will assume everyone is an adult and can therefore make up their own mind. nobody is forced to buy a share . if sue is a ramper then so are ic and shares. and also anyone else who starts a thread on a share. so there.....
i would assume people look at tips , dyor , then make up their own minds as to wether its a buy or not.

ajren

I've got to say you are unfortnuately typical of a minority of people who populate BB's and can rightly be described by Gausie truthfully.

What a Richard Cranium.

Back to trading methinks. Enough of dealing with this. Only got involved today coz I was bored.

;-))

If you spent all the time researching prospects instead of idle bantering, you'd be an awful lot more successful.

BTW, what is the answer to Gausie's question?

bosley

I adnit to having childish leanings when things are trundling along nicely and I get bored.

Fortunately this is an infrequent occurrence. ;-)))

Ref Why ANTI-AJREN thread
rgds aj

ajren

i dont suppose you bought a shedload of CMS at 50p?

Read my posts at that time i.e.11p
rgds aj

THIRD EYE: RAMPING OLD TECH FROM OFEX... WHAT A CHEEK!!!

No 1's by Xmas from me as you have said SEVERAL times now on the RAB thread.

In fact I avoid saying what the price will be most of the time....too much like ramping Xmortal don't you think?

Your education in share investing is not complete until you have suffered a pump & dump routine, from at least one 'bounder'!

I am doubtful that you can really ramp a stock with any discernible effect on a bulletin board - although come to think of it that is probably why threads on bb's tend to be in smaller stocks that the writer is tipping (ramping)!!

rtegrds
gk

I suggest all rampers be named.
rgds aj

Third Eye WORST EVER OFFENDER

PROVE: KMS, an OFEX no go bust of all times I invite ALL of you to look at the KMS chart using all data. This RAMPER is try to push this to us. FILTHY RAMPER.

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Where are your posts for proof Xmortal?

I can't see any ramping posts on KMS....just commented I made 55 bags on it on OFEX not the LSE....it went up from 17p to 20.75, but sadly I am not influential enough to ramp it 100 fold :-)


As RAB is down another 1p @ 37p bid I would suggest your 1 before Xmas is a ramp statement...Xmortal.

xmas still 6 months ahead and RAB will; perform. unlike KMS. you know u were ramping those silly shares.

Wish you'd pointed those out 3 or 4 years ago.

Helluva short. Can't see much left in it though.

;-))

Meanwhile . . . back to the original topic:

Can anyone tell me . . .

If someone ramps a share (e.g. talks enthusiastically about how high it will rise) and they have done their research well and the share does, indeed rocket: Then is that person a ramper - or are they a really good egg who passed on to us the benefit of their hard work and trading acumen?

You see, it seems to me that one or two people have been branded as rampers on here and yet my perception of them is that they have given a lot of good advice and been right many times. But, of course, everyone will pick a few dogs now and then. Can they be blamed for that? After all the old adage of DYOR is axiomatic on this BB.

Stick AFD on your watchlists for tomorrow am.

A deffinite go'er, if ya don't buy it watch it.

Now that sounds soooo "rampy" doesn't it !! LOL

But as gurumaister says above, what defines a ramper tho ? do papers ramp ? do brokers ramp ? if someone does loads of research and posts that a rise is imminent and it does there still branded a ramper ? lets see AFD tomorrow maybe, am I or aren't I this be the question ??

just my opinion and as always be happy !!

Would just like to point out the only legitimate piece of ramping yes or no??? I can find on the whole site, check out the Britannia thread re- to one piece of of a post that gives 1 million and then another poster points out that this is wrong as the piece from UQ analyst .com was altererd to 700,000 with no subsequent alteration from the original poster although he continues to post on a daily basis. Look at the time lapse.

cheers GF. PS, make your own minds up about that.

Aaahh!! I see it all now. AFD were well up ay closing yesterday - then LEEWINK gives us his best and honest advice this morning and - Hey Presto! - AFD have gone down again instead of up as predicted.

I think we now have all the prrof we need that LEEWINK is a ramper.

:)

Interesting
rgds aj

My post on CYH

1.95 now
Nov 9 2003 ckmtang :-
........... hopefully it really will rise to 10p before Christmas and 30p - 50p
in 6 months.
Not ramping ?
rgds aj

I think you'll find that this board has the same amount of Rampers as any other.
The same Rampers appear on so many other boards under different names thats all.
They are not capable of trading without the help of others who are so gullible. .
Hopping.

There are only two types or reasons to invest, Fundamental or Technical. Any idiot that takes a position because of hear say deserves what they get. I have also seen some people imply that suehelen ramps, well the shares do go up ( from the ones I have seen ) so perhaps that is more reliable than a tip, get in early and get out quick.
PS suehelen I like your posts and have no view on the point of ramping.

Stockpicker are you suggesting that everything printed as fundamentals or seen as chart reflections are correct and honest reflections of a the true state of a company's position.

If only it was so!!

CYH = 150P before Christmas
rgds aj

Fred1new - You could start a whole new thread on this. Bit early for this so I will try to clarify what I meant, Nothing in life is a given but the market as we know is driven by greed or fear, which for the most is acted on by news,jumping on the band wagon or bailing out. Long and short term invest in different ways so this has an effect on the way each of us buy or sell. A lot of the companies on the board are smaller with people investing on longer term. As we know these stocks and can be volatile on any news flow which can be minimal and some may not move for months. I have now closed all but two of my long term investments and generally trade shorter term 1-4 by spreads, so for me there has to be momentum which I think will drive the price long or short. Market news can do this, but as most of the news is already known by the big boys and for the most already acted on in the opening price (assume that the majority are working not day trading)that is of little value, most of the gain will already have been taken and you are left with little margin or get caught on the reversal. Fundamentals (if thats your bag) do allow a view on the company for the statement due which may drive the price, I obviously use technical as for me that is the picture of what the investors feel. I dont see any true connection between the charts or the companies true position, just the way the price and trend is going. To me it makes no difference what they do or make, just what the sentement of the market or market sector is. Yes I get caught as we all do, thats the fun.

rg. SP

100 agree with :-

Market news... but most of the news is already known by the big boys.

I said this 6 months ago but - as nearly always happens - I suffered terrible
personal abuse.
rgds aj

I agree with the majority of what you write. It is difficult to swim aqgainst the tide. But having always been a coward I don't often go out of my depth if I can help it.

I am getting a little more sympathetic to the use of charts and think, or hope, using them may improve on my returns. (Long or short term) But I think if I can combine them with fundamentals I may be led astray a little less often. I can see the horses galloping but it is the bloody fences which frighten me. Especially in the dark.
Have Fun.

rampers ,,i thought that`s what skateboarders where called!!!!well you learn something new every day.

fredi new, are you eric cantona in disguise?
"I can see the horses galloping but it is the bloody fences which frighten me. Especially in the dark. "
very similar to the seagulls quote of erics a few years ago . very deep , very mysterious.

Ajren, do you still standby your prediction cybit (cyh) will be 30-50p in within 6 months? You then start a thread about ramping. Your a wind up mercahnt arn't you??

ok, let me re-write this ref - AFD.

AFD did have an old broker note for around 91p share price give or take a few p, this share hit 88p and resettled, now it awaits another broker notification and as quoted by the writers "substantially higher than previous".

AFD has since the last broker issue JV'd with Debeers, and this alone has brought forward minetimes for this area alone by 4 years thus speeding operations and incomes extensively, AFD has other areas that have been geo - phys'd / possibly mined too.

Estimates for this new note have been varied, from a conservative 1.20 - 1.40 to 3.00 plus, as Debeers are going all out to keep up with there quoted amounts needed and to which they need all diamonds fast, which is why they JV'd with AFD to get them.

I quoted AFD and Debeers to joint venture a while before it come to light and everyone laughed at me on a bb, why would Debeers be in the slightest interested in AFD ?? they asked, because Debeers are way under quota's now, sure enough ......

Now when I posted above about AFD it did go up as per stated through buying power as the share price hit its low this year, I dont class myself as a ramper, I quoted DDD at 9p sold out myself a little later and it went through the roof.

The broker note is due around the end of this month, and again I believe backed with strong news this will swiftly move again.

IMHO if the note is anywhere near whats expected, and is released on time I feel shareprice will quickly rise to suggested price, i've held through the rise the other day and will hold through any more news and broker note onwards.

Lets see what happens from here to around the end of the month.

Just my observation and opinion, dyoh+r

EDIT :- look at a year chart, and see the rise, at some stages at the start 4 folding without stop, this shows how it can gain, again, if this broker note comes good, and news backs it, you'll probably see similar style rises, as although AFD have seen a 50% drop since the initial rise, the previous broker note still stands, still at 90 odd pence.

Although unseen, the interest for news and note now must be growing - as all those who were fortunate enough to be in for the first rise and take profit, are edging there seats now for the second. I wasn't in for the first rise, but there now.