o How Pump & Dump Works o What to do if you think you may be a victim o Current Pump & Dump Suspects [DMR] o Previous Pump & Dump Suspects o Links to key posts in this thread o External Links

This thread is work in progress, is reserved for a discussion of the Pump & Dump process, and to flag up UK stocks that people feel may be currently subject to that process. The intention is to keep the 'meat' of the content in the header, which will be frequently and regularly updated from any posts made to the thread. I'll also use the main thread as a change control to record and audit updates to the header. If you have been the victim or perpetrator of a pump & dump, I would welcome your comments and stories (anonymously if preferred) as posts to the main thread. I will include extracts from them, and links to them in this header. If you prefer, you can click on my username and email me your stories through the MoneyAM internal mail system

How Pump & Dump Works

Pump and Dump schemes are a technique used by devious and immoral traders on thinly traded stocks to con unwitting and unsophisticated traders out of their savings and to make huge profits for themselves.

Candidate stocks are typically low liquidity penny shares with a history of low volume that suddenly hit the limelight when one or more energetic, enthusiastic and ebbulient posters 'discover' them and claim them as hidden gems. The usual scenario is that despite no change in the rate or quality of newsflow there is a rapid rise in volume, a disproportionate rise in price signifying accumulation and pump with little or no selling, an exhaustion peak and then a rapid return to previous levels or thereabouts, with our ebbulient posters moving on to pastures new. Price and volume usually then return to normality.

A pump and dump scheme usually has the perpetrator buying at low levels for some weeks prior to the pump stage, after which they promote the share, typically via BBs and/or mailing lists. They may buy a few during the pump and make sure everyone knows that they're buying, but they'll also sell a few more to take profits. It's the victims of the scheme who buy the shares the fraudster is selling.

When the fraudster thinks that she's unable to inflate the price any further, or has reached her profit targets, she'll start selling a lot harder. This is the 'Dump' stage of a pump and dump. She'll claim on the BBs that holders should 'keep the faith', she'll blame the shorters, she'll try to encourage people to top up and she'll promise lashings and lashings of jam tomorrow. She may buy a few and publicise the buys just to cover her tracks. But on the whole, she'll be selling.

At this point, the price may yoyo a little but the fraudster's selling is putting an overall downward pressure on the share price.

At some stage soon we get a 'race to the exit'. Some of the mugs who have been suckered in, start to realise what's happened and they too sell. The fraudster sees the sells, realises the game is up and dumps all of her remaining holdings.

The price drops, often by as much as 75% in a matter of days or hours. Those who are lucky enough to get out do so. The first ones to get out see a small profit or a small loss. Those who aren't so lucky typically leave the share certificate in a bottom drawer somewhere, determined to wait until they can get their money back before selling. Usually they never do. Some will wait forever, and have effectively lost their whole investment, others may sell a year or two later, perhaps at 1% of their purchase price.

What to do if you think you may be a victim

If you're reading this then you've already got over the first hurdle - denial. Most traders suckered into these schemes refuse to recognise that they're being conned despite warning signs that are so obvious in retrospect. A significant number remain in denial for many years after the price has collapsed and never get around to selling - a phenomenom psychiatrists call 'cognitive dissonance'.

If you've bought into a pump and dump and have recognised it for what it is, you're probably wondering what to do. Chances are, you're thinking "I can't sell yet cos its not quite covered my buy price .... just a few more fractions of a penny and I'm out".

So What do you do?

Firstly - you need to ensure that the money you have invested into the share is within your comfort zone. Ask yourself "Will I mind if I lose it all?" If the answer is "no, I'm happy to lose the lot", then play this however you see fit. Maybe you'll make some money, maybe you'll lose your entire investment.

If it's "I daren't lose it all, I wont be able to face my bank manager /partner /kids /parents /landlord/ gasman" (delete as appropriate) then you need to take a long hard look at the way you trade, and you *must* reduce the size of your holding to the level where you don't mind losing all of what's left - even if you have to take a small loss on the tranche that you sell. Bad tasting medicine, I know, but infinitely preferable to the alternative. Get yourself onto a risk management course. I would expect www.glomtc.com to run courses along these lines.

Although pump and dump schemes are illegal worldwide, succesful prosecutions are rare and almost non-existant in the UK. The highest publicity case in the USA related to a 14 year old boy who was eventually fined more than $250,000 having made much more than this through using internet BBs and spam mail to promote and then dump his penny stocks.

The highest profile UK case was probably the Daily Mirror City Slickers scandal that eventually came to court in November 2005. The court heard that Piers morgan bought 66,000 worth of Viglen shares the day before the Mirror tipped them. James Hipwell also bought 36,500 worth which he sold at 9.00am the next day for a profit of almost 20,000. Also tried was a BB Poster whose real name is Terry Shepherd - he was accused of forming part of the conspiracy.

Trade suspect shares if you must - but keep your wits about you.

Current Pump & Dump Suspects Dimension Resources - DMR

EPIC: DMRName:Dimension ResourcesCategory: Illiquid Penny ShareNMS: 3000Current Phase: PUMPAccumulation Started: Around July 2005Pump Started: Late October 2005Dump Started: Awaiting Data

Previous Pump & Dump Suspects

EPIC: CFPName:City Financial associatesCategory: Illiquid Penny ShareNMS: TinyAccumulation Started: est Jan 2004Pump Started: 31/03/2004Dump Started: 28/04/2004Maximum Loss To Victims: 81%

Links to posts within this thread Posts 2,3 and 4 on page 1 of this thread are typical indicators of the pump stage of a pump and dump scam. The scammer cross-posts buy recommendations for their stock on multiple threads, and points to their previous pump and dump scams as successes. Naturally, they only mention the low (where they bought) and the high (where they exited). The victims bought at those highs and will probably never see those prices again. Those victims have been well and truly conned out of their money, and many will never realise how and why they were deceived. External Links SEC Article Wikipedia 14 year old fraudster Investopedia link

O my god Gausie.....are you serious...after all the deramping you've done.

I knew you are sad......but this sad....keep at it my friend....I want you to be active deramping DMR thread for a few months more yet....you've been doing it for 2 months along with 26 active derampers and you cry pump and dump. Maybe because whilst you've been deramping the price has been rising.............cry baby cry Gausie....that's all you can do.

Some laugh....just what I needed to start my day.

Gausie...get your rose tinted spectacles off and look at the below from HRR thread....now that is a pump and dump with no analysis or anything. I think you just getting jealous Gausie because you couldn't muster more than one line with your deramping of DMR.

Nothing new then.....someone put Dil out of his misery....poor soul has been flogging these for months.
dazaferguson - 21 Jan 2006 17:41 - 22 of 24
They are going to rocket soon mark my words.
SueHelen [View SueHelen's profile] - 21 Jan 2006 18:34 - 23 of 24 edit this post
One Page analysis..........not the one line ramps please.

The poor bloke Gausie is so desperate to keep his pride because the coming weeks is gonna be even worse for him as DMR is gonna do exactly the opposite of what he's been writing.

Hey Gausie....you said don't buy DMR at 0.30 pence and now the price is 0.60 pence to buy.....why does no one touch on this..........................has a compensation board been set-up here..........don't u think we need one if the price balloons to 2 pence.

Gausie
Excellent new thread.
Hopefully will be of benefit to the inexperienced investor in deciding whether to believe everything he/she reads on a BB regarding particular shares.

Well said sir, rampers out.

Gausie, good topic. Keep it up :-)

I think what Gausie is saying is buy if you believe in the share - but don't believe what others tell you on the BB - would you buy a stock if someone you don't know phoned you up and told you it was a good buy? And don't buy on margin unless you can face the consequences. Langbar is a prime and recent example. Use the old Warren Buffet adage - don't buy a stock for one minute if you wouldn't be not prepared to buy the whole company for ever.

Yes, I've been caught, but fortunately lived to tell the tale as the stock I was caught on was not on margin and only a small proportion of my portfolio.

I think that, with the proliferation of financial BB's combined with the ease with which you can open an online trading account, the result has been a huge number of inexperienced traders (punters would be a better word) buying and selling shares in the same vein as betting on the horses.

This, in turn, has enabled unscrupulous individuals to 'pump and dump' shares in very small and illiquid companies knowing that there are many people who will be sucked into the story that a particular share is about to shoot up in price.

Whilst you can take the stance that it 'serves them right' to fall for such a scam I think that it can only be a good thing if threads like this can also help to prevent any financial loss.

Hey alert Gausie...alert Gausie...alert Gausie...where art thou'

Can you set one of these up for deramping going on.....please.

Have you had the guts to bring Dil and katcenka who was ramping HHO and BSP at 2.50 pence to your court. Incidentally I was so called ramping BSP at 0.30 pence before they ballooned to 2.50 pence then katcencka took over......did u miss out on that one as well...tough.

SH - please provide further details - I'd like to illustrate some past Pump & Dumps - I need dates of accumulation, dates for when the pump stage started, evidence of the pump stage, evidence of price inflation, dates for when the dump stage started, evidence of rapid price deflation, and ideally I'd like one or two victims to comment. Please post here.

I'm just turning my attention to some other older pump and dumps that have been brought to my attention. Doubtless you'll have plenty to say on those too after they've been analysed.

Ta

Gausie

Bring him to your court Gausie or get a life and do something more useful with ur time.


SueHelen [View SueHelen's profile] - 21 Jan 2006 11:41 - 21 of 29 edit this post
Nothing new then.....someone put Dil out of his misery....poor soul has been flogging these for months.
dazaferguson - 21 Jan 2006 17:41 - 22 of 29
They are going to rocket soon mark my words.
SueHelen [View SueHelen's profile] - 21 Jan 2006 18:34 - 23 of 29 edit this post
One Page analysis..........not the one line ramps please.
dazaferguson - 22 Jan 2006 11:30 - 25 of 29
Suehelen
Your onepage effing ramps are only copied and pasted from other sources.
All my info on Harrier is from I have written myself.



There is only ONE share to be loaded up with at the moment and that is the cash shell called Harrier(HRR).

Harrier are a cash shell with a market cap of 4.5 million and they have the same amount of cash in the bank.
They have 2 employee's and the interest on this cash will more than pay for their salaries.
A reverse deal is due any day and the shares will rocket believe me.

Bob Morton ( Southwind) has recently increased his stake to the max allowed of 29.9%.

He is a very shrewd cookie.

Strong BUY.

target price 50p and I aint joking.
SueHelen [View SueHelen's profile] - 22 Jan 2006 11:33 - 26 of 29 edit this post
No thanks but Gausie might be interested in this pile of poo.
dazaferguson - 22 Jan 2006 11:36 - 27 of 29
"pile of poo".

How dare you name call this company when big corporate action is on the way.
SueHelen [View SueHelen's profile] - 22 Jan 2006 11:37 - 28 of 29 edit this post
It'll do go up by 200% at the most Dil............doesn't do it for me that's all.
mikeingam - 22 Jan 2006 20:11 - 29 of 29
There is only ONE share to be loaded up with at the moment and that is the cash shell called Harrier(HRR).

Harrier are a cash shell with a market cap of 4.5 million and they have the same amount of cash in the bank.
They have 2 employee's and the interest on this cash will more than pay for their salaries.
A reverse deal is due any day and the shares will rocket believe me.

Bob Morton ( Southwind) has recently increased his stake to the max allowed of 29.9%.

He is a very shrewd cookie.

Strong BUY.

Target price 50p and I aint joking.

There is only ONE share to be loaded up with at the moment and that is the cash shell called Harrier(HRR).

Harrier are a cash shell with a market cap of 4.5 million and they have the same amount of cash in the bank.
They have 2 employee's and the interest on this cash will more than pay for their salaries.
A reverse deal is due any day and the shares will rocket believe me.

Bob Morton ( Southwind) has recently increased his stake to the max allowed of 29.9%.

He is a very shrewd cookie.

Strong BUY.

Target price 50p and I aint joking.

SueHelen, eh? Now there's one pumper to ignore - doesn't know how to dump?

Timely thread IMO given the way some stocks are shifting this past few months. Mass pumping is always followed by mass dumping. ;-))

Others too hard to pick on again Big Al....sorry don't fancy you...think you fancy yourself too much.

There is only ONE share to be loaded up with at the moment and that is the cash shell called Harrier(HRR).

Harrier are a cash shell with a market cap of 4.5 million and they have the same amount of cash in the bank.
They have 2 employee's and the interest on this cash will more than pay for their salaries.
A reverse deal is due any day and the shares will rocket believe me.

Bob Morton ( Southwind) has recently increased his stake to the max allowed of 29.9%.

He is a very shrewd cookie.

Strong BUY.

Target price 50p and I aint joking.

This thread is a farce and sorry Gausie...a waste of time and a whitewash.

If you need to set up a thread to blame someone for your loosing money,then you really should find another job .

Change Control 01, Header Updated, Date and time as post.

Having copied and analysed threads on MAM and on ADVFN, have concluded likely manipulation of share price of CFA capital.

EPIC: CFPName:City Financial associatesCategory: Illiquid Penny ShareNMS: TinyAccumulation Started: est Jan 2004Pump Started: 31/03/2004Dump Started: 28/04/2004Maximum Loss To Victims: 81%

MAM Source: Pump & Dump of CFA Capital

If you need to set up a thread to blame someone for your loosing money,then you really should find another job .

SueHelen, I think you would do yourself some favours by trying to support the efforts of highlighting some pretty dreadfull scams that cost people lots of money rather than trying to smear the thread. You have come across as very defensive and this has done you a lot of damage. If you said, yes, pump and dump does exist and it is dreadful then that would have probably gone down well. As it is, well, you look a bit of a wally in all honestly.

Scrip....that is not the intention of Gausie that's the problem. The cry baby has been deramping DMR for weeks and whilst he's being doing it continously the price has been rising...in fact risen by 100% and much more to come. Because his deramping has not worked the cry baby has become so desperate with his deramping that he has started this thread now aimed at me.

Cry baby Gausie...I say cry baby.

People who don't have nothing better to do set up these kind of threads.....Go back to work Gausie.

Gausie - here is wallpaper for your desktop (from hubble - 'Orion Nebula') - fantastic:
http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/2006/01/images/a/formats/1280_wallpaper.jpg

What a farce of a weekend on these threads.....all the good research information under the rubble create by Gausie.

Accumulation Started: Around July 2005

O No Gausie...the above is incorrect...I bought my 2.0 million shares in DMR in October and I purchased 420,000 shares at the current displayed offer price only last week.

Ooops is the word Gausie.

SueHelen currently has a favourite turn of phrase that involves invoking her adversaries to remove their rose tinted spectacles? Now there's a thought. Seems to me she's relying on likely victims not to remove theirs.

ELH - a failed attempt on SueHelen's part, of some interest to me, as I did trade it once upon a time between 80/70p, long before she ever got on the case. I lost money, all my own fault - I thought it might have another bash at 100, purely on a TA basis - and I should have known better, being in the electronics industry myself and having observed the decline and demise of various suppliers/contractors in recent years.

http://www.moneyam.com/InvestorsRoom/posts.php?tid=6354#lastread

From the outset SueHelen berated Haystack's calm and polite expressions of his views on ELH with considerable venom. It's not a long thread, so read it - her assertions beggar belief.

So far, and despite several times of asking, SueHelen has failed to explain posts 67 and 75.

"Haystack - 04 Aug 2004 12:09 - 66 of 114
ELH is still falling fast. It is hitting new all time lows day after day. The rate of fall has even increased.

SueHelen - 04 Aug 2004 12:31 - 67 of 114
Good call Haystack but I am going onto hang onto mine as I feel the company will get back on track in the future. My indication now is that these are a long term hold.

SueHelen - 08 Nov 2004 18:10 - 75 of 114
Hi Xmortal, I don't hold these anymore after taking a loss by selling out at 4.00 pence levels back in July.

I am neutral on these for the moment, there is a very large overhang here at the moment so until that clears the price will stay like this. The overhang was created by Fidelity selling around 79 million shares at 1.00 pence about six weeks ago. Hence, the real prices are about 1.75 to sell and around 1.77 to buy.

I am keenly following the developments though."

Business Focus

The dotcom boom is back. Will it last this time?
Less bubble less squeak. The web is now in the hands of big players less likely to get caught in the mouse trap

By : Tony Glover - Technology Editor January 22, 2006

THE GROWING NUMBERS OF investors convinced the dotcom boom had returned got the fright of their lives last week. Their nightmare started when a little- known Japanese internet company, Livedoor, was raided by Japanese investigators last Monday. So overwhelming was the panic caused by the news, which added to worries about oil prices, that the selling of Japanese technology stocks forced the Tokyo Stock Exchange to close its doors for trading for the first time in a generation.

The Nikei 225 Index fell nearly 6% on Tuesday and Wednesday. Fears that the good run in technology stocks over the past year might be about to come to a painful end quickly spread to Wall Street and other markets. The Dow fell 213.32 points or 1.96% to 10667.39 on Friday erasing all gains for 2006. It was the worst session since March 2003. The S&Ps 500 shed 1.83% to 1261.49. The Nasdaq slumped 2.35% to 2247.70, its biggest decline since August 2004 as the markets succumbed to mounting fears about earnings.

By Monday, it is likely that traders will have relaxed and reverted to their previous belief that a new tech boom has just started. But for all investors, the events of last week raise a fundamental question which demands an answer: will the new dot.com era last or will it turn into a bust like the previous one, wiping out hard-earned savings and dashing the hopes of millions?

This is an especially important question in Japan where share prices in Tokyo surged by 40% last year. Livedoor had been a favourite stock among small investors in Japan. Investors panicked on hearing that the company was being investigated by Japans Securities and Exchange Surveillance Commission. Its offices in Tokyos Roppongi Hills were raided after allegations that it had mis-stated losses from its 2004 results and spread false information to boost its share price. Television pictures of the raid were flashed around the world, spooking investors.

Frightened Tokyo brokers stopped accepting Livedoor shares as collateral and demanded that investors cover their trading positions with cash. As clients were forced to sell in a falling market, other technology stocks were dragged down.

Japans dotcom flu soon started to mutate into a global pandemic. Lower-than-expected profits from Yahoo and Intel last week were seized upon as evidence that tech stocks were in deep trouble.

News of good earnings from two other technology darlings, Apple and eBay, were also viewed with suspicion by investors; even Google, the worlds favourite dotcom stock, suffered. The Wall Street Journal, although noting that Googles profits are still climbing and that analysts are generally upbeat about its prospects, added this warning to its report last week: But few investors are focusing on the growing number of restricted shares and options that Google is handing out to employees which will emerge as a sizeable expense in the next few years.

By the end of the week calm had partly returned in Japan. The panic was over and the consensus among analysts was that investors had over-reacted to the Tokyo crisis. By Thursday, the market was even able to keep its poise even after absorbing disturbing news that 38-year-old Hideaki Noguchi, a senior adviser to Livedoor, had been found dead in a Tokyo hotel. The Nikkei Index recovered around 2% with internet and technology stocks leading the way.

But there were plenty of scars left -- and in the US at least the worst was yet to come. The first signs of trouble ahead was when Yahoos share price fell by a hefty 12% on news that fourth-quarter earnings had missed analysts average estimate by 1 cent a share. Earnings had come in at 16 cents a share against the 17 cents expected, hardly a disaster.

Far from being a dotcom promise that was not delivered, Yahoo had managed to grow annual revenues by an impressive 47% from $3.6bn (2.1bn, E3bn) to $5.26bn over the year and its profits had risen by 126% from $840m to $1.9bn. Figures like these would normally be a cue for celebration and for sending the stock flying to new highs, rather than provoking a sell-off.

To some sellers Yahoos latest figures were interpreted as an indication that the stock may have reached, or be nearing, maturity, another way of saying that growth rates on this scale cannot last. Growth is certainly slowing: Yahoo doubled sales between 2002 and 2003 before tripling them in 2004. But Yahoos decline was only a taste of things to come. On Friday, Googles share fell 8%, leading a severe decline in the US markets on fears about earnings, energy prices and just about everything else. With a bit of luck, the markets will recover this week but questions will continue to be asked about the durability of the current boom.

The most bullish analysts argue that the recent resurgence of the technology sector has several features that distinguish it from the late 1990s boom and subsequent bust. At that time the internet, e-commerce and web publishing sectors were untested concepts. Young dotcom entrepreneurs convinced venture capitalists to back their business plans. Because few investors understood what they were up to, a brash culture arose that declared it was creating new economy stocks.

The Nasdaq, which lits shares of technology stocks, has doubled since October 2003, but is still only half way to the heights (5132.52) of October 2000.

US interest rates have been rising steadily but there is lots of cash in the US parked in real estate that has not yet migrated into shares. Higher employment has returned to Silicon Valley (mostly in software), though there are still a quarter million fewer tech jobs from the 2000 peak. Attitudes have changed. A survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation showed Silicon Valley residents now prefer salaried jobs with established companies, rather than huge stock options with risky start-ups.

Another indication Silicon Valley is more mature is the increase in spending by American venture capitalists, 25% of which ends up in Valley firms. A total of $4.21bn in venture capital was invested in the Valley in the third quarter of 2005, compared with $6.09bn for all of 2004.

In 2000, in a blind frenzy, investors poured $30bn into thousands of dotcom start-ups. Virtually none of them made a profit. By the end of 2001, an estimated 80% were out of business. Tens of thousand jobs were lost and $2trillion in share value wiped out. The tech sector has revived since those dark days and the current boom has a different look, the most notable being that mergers and acquisitions have become the way for start-ups to cash out, rather than initial public offerings (IPOs). VCs are looking for fundamentals not visionaries, cashflow more so than hype.

Harry Dent, an economist who predicted the last tech boom and bust in his 1992 book The Great Boom Ahead predicts a bigger boom growing over the next five years. But there is a sting in his tail. Dent sees the Nasdaq rising to 13,000 (it is now at 2,258) by 2010. We see a broader tech boom, including biotech, resuming now that were over this crash, he told an interviewer at Wired.com, another survivor from the last crash.

Businesses have cut costs and expanded their ability to grow with past investments. Now, businesses are going to have to catch up and reinvest to keep up with consumers, who never stop spending. Businesses will come back big-time, and that money largely flows into information technology.

Dent, however, predicts a crash at the end of 2010 worse even than the previous one in 2001. He says this is largely because there is no large Baby Boom generation coming up to pick up consumer demand, which he attributes to the tech revival. Youve got a smaller generation following the largest generation in history, Dent said. Rather than thousands of start-ups, the current rebound is confined to established online advertisers such as Google, Yahoo and AOL, electronics firms such as Apple, as well as biotech, telecoms and software developers.

It is more isolated than last time, says a leading analyst. [The rebound] is not insignificant, but it is in smaller pockets.

The market still sees Yahoos big rival, market leader Google, as the leading internet growth stock. Most analysts believe Google is firmly in a growth phase, while conceding that its shares are highly valued. Google trades at roughly 90 times current earnings. By contrast, Yahoos shares trade at around 60 times earnings. But analysts believe internet stocks like Google have room for faster growth than non-tech companies. According to Cyrus Mewawalla, analyst at Westhall Capital, internet companies have substantial growth potential while traditional telecoms stocks are overvalued. There will not be overall growth across the sector. Already, clear winners and losers are emerging. Telefica, for example, probably bought O2 at the top of the market.

The bottom line is that telecoms operators like Vodafone derive about 80% of their voice while internet players such as Google [and now Tesco] are starting to offer voice [telecom] services on the web that are virtually free, said Mewawalla. Internet stocks are set to benefit from customer losses that will severely impact traditional telecoms operators.

France Telecoms profit warning earlier this month was attributable to loss of business to internet-based services and evidence of a shifting power base from old communications suppliers such as the former national telecoms operators to the internet-based economy.

According to a survey, 592,000 France Telecom customers ended their fixed-line contracts with the phone operator during 2005 six times as many as the year before.

The survey also revealed that 2005 saw a spread of alternative phone operators, with a further 2.23m customers switching to other operators for the internet and other services, but retained a fixed-line contract with France Telecom.

Ian Lobley, a senior partner in 3is venture capital business, said he believes the balance between old and new communications players will shift dramatically during 2006. Investors will start to find companies roles increasingly confusing during the course of the year, predicts Lobley. We are already seeing TV companies selling phone services and phone companies becoming TV companies.

Overall, the view is that todays technology sector is different from the dotcom bubble seven years ago and that the boom has barely begun. JP Rangaswami, global chief information officer of Dresdner Kleinwort Benson, says the internet is entering the second stage of its evolution and that the medium, like the early days in Hollywood, is only just

at the Keystone Cops stage of its development.

Speaking to entrepreneurs in London recently, Julie Meyer, founder and chief executive of Ariadne Capital, an early business development adviser of internet voice specialist Skype, was bullish about prospects for 2006. She likened the recent evolution of the internet as comparable to other periods in history that brought about sweeping social change.

One venture fund manager attending the event said: The buzz is just like it was at the start of the last dotcom boom. We are only at the start of the next cycle 2006 is going to be an incredible year.

"SueHelen - 22 Jan 2006 22:06 - 21 of 25
Scrip....that is not the intention of Gausie that's the problem. The cry baby has been deramping DMR for weeks and whilst he's being doing it continously the price has been rising...in fact risen by 100% and much more to come. Because his deramping has not worked the cry baby has become so desperate with his deramping that he has started this thread now aimed at me.

Cry baby Gausie...I say cry baby.

People who don't have nothing better to do set up these kind of threads.....Go back to work Gausie."


Paranoia, poor spelling and terrible grammar all in one very short post.

Al
;-)

You don't say Big Al.

i'm afraid i've got some news regarding the true identity of suehelen. she is really mr. hanky. (cf proof below)



looks like a piece of sh*t with a santa hat to me.

Gausie, I feel your thread is having the right effect. I wonder if it can be kept at the top of the board.

Another share which I think is being ramped and deramped at the moment is SEO.

Freds post raises the question of definition. While the SEO thread does, and has, suffered ramping and deramping, it has also contained much intelligent debate and reporting from individuals who are most certainly not rampers /derampers.
I myself hold SEO and do not consider myself to be easily drawn on investments. Yes the share is risky, but I consider the downside (with a stop loss in place) to be worth the risk when the potential is considered. That does not make me a ramper, as my posts will testify. What that thread, and many others suffer from is over enthusiasm from the investors, which is naturally countered by those with the opposite position.
While I support moves to oust those who manipulate for their own gain, I think we must be very careful not to paint enthusiastic posters with the same brush. BB's are about opinion, with which we agree or disagree. To say anyone supporting a share is manipulating, or anyone posting the opposite is bashing, is a nonsense that would inevitably lead to all posts being a luke warm version of the caveat the FSA make investment companies put on their adverts.
Just an opinion, but yes, let us oust the manipulators for the sake of an excellent investment site.
Alan

Alan, I agree. This thread needs to retain its credibility by being careful not to cry wolf.

I'm looking specifically for the low liquidity penny share with a low volume history that suddenly hits the limelight when one or more energetic, enthusiastic and ebbulient posters 'discover' it and claim it as a hidden gem. The usual scenario is that despite no change in the rate or quality of newsflow there is a rapid rise in volume, a disproportionate rise in price signifying accumulation and pump with little or no selling, an exhaustion peak and then a rapid return to previous levels or thereabouts, with our ebbulient posters moving on to pastures new. Price and volume usually then return to normality.

If you spot candidates anywhere within this cycle, please post them here.

Gausie,

Efforts appreciated. Very useful reminder to consider again our reasons for buying or selling those shares which may or may not be good to buy/hold.

Would be happy to contribute only if I know how to spot a pump-and-dump with some degrees of confidence!

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Modified header to include content from post 31.

Gausie, excellent thread. This is very good and something MoneyAM should have done ages ago. I think it's about time FSA made financial bulletions accountable and have a responsibility towards it's readers. If a newspaper were to run a P & D scheme, every watchdog will be crying foul.

I hope I am wrong but I suspect VML was used for P & D. Also, I suspect CDN, IDD and IQE may have been victims of this scheme. Good luck with your research and many thanks for this thread.

Thanks Ramu - will take a look at all four later.

For the record - it's certainly not MAM who run these schemes. MAM is a terrific resource for like minded traders to swap strategies, approaches and observations. This thread is exactly the sort of thing that MAM was established for.

Sadly, there are a few posters out there with entirely different agendas. These are the agendas we're trying to weed out.

It's interesting that almost all posters to this thread have been positive and supportive. I wonder what's on the minds of the one or two who so forcefully and vociferously oppose it?

G

Sentiment is great, hope people read this thread before choosing investments.

Good work!

Excellent Gausie-the following may be of interest

Topic EPIC Started By Last Poster Updated Total Unread IR TR
Dimension Resources:Made of Stone-Current Price 0.23 pence-DMR's Stone Deposits would put a value of 5.00-6.00 Pence. DMR SueHelen Dil 23 Jan 2006 10:51 1042 Y
IQE - The World's Leading Merchant Epiwafer Supplier : Exciting Times Ahead IQE SueHelen Andy 21 Jan 2006 12:31 295 Y
Warthog Looking to the future !!! WHOG SueHelen mtwallit 19 Jan 2006 08:35 1414 Y
Cheerful Scout: Cheerful Times Ahead-Current Price-0.60 Pence-Operating in an 'explosive' market right now. CLS SueHelen SueHelen 16 Jan 2006 21:58 72 Y
Depressed PGM Prospector Primed for a Comeback? - aims to defy its dismal record of share price performance over the past few ye RDG SueHelen jameel06 16 Jan 2006 21:52 12 Y
Enition - Featuring in an interesting reverse takeover deal - opportunities in the Energy sector ENT SueHelen jameel06 16 Jan 2006 20:42 50 9 Y
Enition - Featuring in an interesting reverse takeover deal - opportunities in the Energy sector ENT SueHelen SueHelen 14 Jan 2006 14:19 4 4 Y
Has anyone bought the Daily Mail Newspaper Today ???? ENT SueHelen SueHelen 14 Jan 2006 13:04 2 Y
Caledon Resources-In the hunt of multi million ounce gold projects. Going Cheap! CDN SueHelen lanayel 09 Jan 2006 13:42 757 Y
Eurodis Electron - The Bounce Back Up is about to Happen... ELH SueHelen Scripophilist 08 Jan 2006 09:53 114 6 Y
Profile Media Looking to the Future !!! PMD SueHelen moneyman 06 Jan 2006 18:43 479 5 Y
British Energy - One in a Lifetime Gamble Opportunity. BGY SueHelen ahoj 05 Jan 2006 11:00 303 303 Y
QuikTrak - Radiolocation & Messaging System.....Price has reached the Bottom. QTR SueHelen Dil 04 Jan 2006 19:33 702 6 Y
PNC Telecom - Big Gains on the Horizon for the Brave. PTC SueHelen squidd 22 Dec 2005 05:15 54 11 Y
Documedia 10 Pence Price Target !!! DOC SueHelen SueHelen 18 Dec 2005 17:57 44 44 Y
Mano River Resources - DISCOVERY OF DIAMONDS........KIMBERLITE NEXT !!! MANA SueHelen nkirkup 13 Dec 2005 09:09 77 77 Y
Brainspark - Technology Start-Up Incubator : Boom or Bust ??? BSP SueHelen katcenka 21 Nov 2005 17:04 151 35 Y
CFA CAPITAL - EXCITING YEAR AHEAD DGT SueHelen EWRobson 09 Feb 2005 13:28 1892 Y
Net b2b2 PLC NEB SueHelen Golfclub12 03 Feb 2005 08:28 154 Y
Reflec (Time for a breakout )!!! REF SueHelen gordon geko 01 Dec 2004 13:09 51 51 Y
PC Medics Group - To move into Profit. PMG SueHelen Still Waiting 29 Oct 2004 19:23 38 38 Y
DE-RAMPERS ( ) SueHelen AdieH 16 Jun 2004 11:25 57 Y
Black Rock Oil & Gas - Next African Gold ??? BLR SueHelen xmortal 10 Mar 2004 16:37 26 26 Y
Chelford Group Well Placed!!! CHR SueHelen Tech 28 Jan 2004 14:58 55 Y
Scipher Looking to the Future !!! SIP SueHelen moneyplus 23 Dec 2003 18:48

Who is the second person G?

>>jemadi - I think I can guess where that list came from. I'd sooner this was a rational look at all candidate shares rather than a witchhunt. It may end up with the same conclusions, but let's leave any conclusions until we have a significant number of analyses, and let's try to stay objective.

>>choc - there's bound to be one sooner or later. I hear rumours that some posters have more than one alias. Ian at MoneyAM has been unable to deny these rumours.

Try a search on QTR , excellent example of pump , dump and lies.

Can't remember who started it.

Thanks Dil - will take a look.

Change Control 3 - date and time as per post.

Added Investopedia link to 'external links', as posted by Snip on DMR thread. Thanks Snip.

What sort of a person would call someone on an investment web-site a " cry-baby", probably a moron,ah yes just read SH`s post using that very word .

Gausie, I'm not accusing MAM of running these scams but by allowing it to take place on their website, they lose credibility. Most of us feel strongly that SH is a fully paid up member of P & D Inc but Ian at MoneyAM does not ban her nor is she being investigated.

It took me awhile to figure out the likes of SH and I was very fortunate not to have invested in her 'tips' but someone new to this board can be easily taken for a ride. I agree everyone should do their research but MAM do have a responsibility towards their readers and Ian, if you have SH personal details, please forward these to FSA and let them decide.

IMHO, with access to prices, volumes, news and BB postings, MAM should be able to produce a regular (weekly?) list of possible P&D candidates.

Why bother. You are supposed to be men and women of the world and able to make your own judgements.








Why the H dis I buy the following DOGS!




The beauty of getting old is that you soon forget the pain.

This could be a useful thread if you want to find stocks that are being pumped sothat you can buy quickly and sell again before the dumping takes place. Is that the purpose of the thread?

You would be better off shorting Sue's tips Haystack.

ramu

MAM do not exercise editorial control over the BBs as part of their day to day processes. This means that the BBs are whatever we, the posters, want them to be. We shape the boards according to what we want to post and what we want to read.

It is not for Ian or anyone else at MAM to make judgements on what constitutes a legal and enthusiastic post on a stock, and what constitutes a far more sinister attempt at manipulation and fraud.

Similarly, I believe it is the policy of MAM and other similar boards to properly respect the confidentiality of the personal data supplied to them by their members. Release of such information is not a trivial matter and so is typically only released when ordered by a court of law.

In my opinion this philosophy adds considerably to MAM's credibility rather than threatens it.

So far as new users and MAM's responsibility towards them are concerned, I believe that every new member is urged to read and accept the disclaimer prior to reciving their password.

All IMHO of course

>>Haystack

No. The purpose of this thread is solely to find and identify the threads you like to haunt!

;o)

LOL

Thanks for making it easier to find them!

The entertainment value is always higher on threads for ramped stocks.

If, to properly respect the confidentiality of the personal data supplied to MAM by members who use the board for manipulation and fraud adds considerably to MAM's credibility, then all of us are better off being rampers instead of investors.

C'mon Gausie, don't you think MAM is being very one sided if they use the rules to protect fraudsters. If they cannot monitor the posts, then at least disclose suspected rampers to an appropriate regulatory body for investigation - just comparing SH's actual share transactions against her posts here will immediately reveal what she's upto.

This is like letting someone do something illegal in your household, pleading ignorance then using some privacy/confidentiality act to protect the criminal and telling the world what you did adds cosiderably to your credibility.

Enough of this Brussells bullshit!

There is only ONE share to be loaded up with at the moment and that is the cash shell called Harrier(HRR).

Harrier are a cash shell with a market cap of 4.5 million and they have the same amount of cash in the bank.
They have 2 employee's and the interest on this cash will more than pay for their salaries.
A reverse deal is due any day and the shares will rocket believe me.

Bob Morton ( Southwind) has recently increased his stake to the max allowed of 29.9%.

He is a very shrewd cookie.

Strong BUY.

Target price 50p and I aint joking.

ramu - there is proper procedure to follow.

If a complaint is made to the FSA, and they consider the complaint well founded, they are able to gain a court order for a company such as MAM to provide all of the identifying information that is required - which is substantial even on the free parts of this site.

I believe that this is the right, proper and professional way to handle such confidential data, as it protects MAM from having to decide which applications are valid and which vexatious - a decision they could easily get wrong which could have unfortunate consequences. They are in the business of providing enabling technology for traders and investors - they are not a replacement for our legal service and due process.

The FSA are a bunch of jokers and not the slightest bit interested in bulletin board gossip.

I have in the past reported "Dil" for blatant ramping and they were not in the slightest bit bothered.

F*cking great read.Perked up a VERY trying day
Al Looks like your not fancied! :-))

NML , seemed to have been pumped & dumped but it looked more like misinformation from the company itself then anybody posting on a bb.

This could have been an interesting thread:((

RogerD - First decent post on this thread. SEO probally has the most examples with PM1's 1++++ buy xmas '05 spring/summer ramping.... I think 14p was the actual.... lol

gausie in my honest opinion i wish you had this thread up and running before i got involved with cfp

i read all i could find on this share and it looked a gower to me but all it did was leave a sour taste

i was into the share and lost a few quid

its been a sore one but if i had read this kind of thread before hand i might not have lost quite as much

good thread for newbies and small time investors to read before they make investments

gausie keep it up

Every BB should have a thread such as this.

It should also be required reading for those starting out on their own investing / trading road. Unfortunately greed makes people blind and non-sensical, but once you've lost one pot, you learn. The trick is to make that intial pot small.

Never enter a position focusing on what you might make. Focus instead on what you might lose if it goes the wrong way. On most BBs, the mkt cap of most companies with threads means "all of it" is often the correct answer. If you can't lost it, then leave it in the bank!!

Finally, I read several people blaming AM or others for losses. This is not being truthful with yourself!!

Al
;-))

"In the Washington lobbying hierarchy, the corporation is by far the most muscular power center, followed by workers ... and consumers. Shareholders, and especially individual investors, come last... There is no one, in fact, who represents individual investors full-time. They are the most overlooked and underrepresented interest group in America."

- Arthur Levitt (former chairman of SEC in 1990's)

How much of that statement applies to the UK?

Gausie, bravo for starting a self-help thread ! :-)

Al:-))))

P&D's probably happen all the time, on different scales ...

eg. How can the stock market consistently and significantly outgrow GDP? ...

Gausie,
Is there any such thing as the opposite of a pump and dump scheme. Say a deflate and accumulate scam? Would it work? Do we have any knowledge of such a scheme being used?
I have heard it being accused at shorters, but wondered if it really happens or if it is just an urban myth.
Would appreciate any views on this.
Alan

It is commnly said that some people 'deramp' (if such a word exists) stocks to be able to buy in at a lower price.

Hi Haystack,
i know its commonly said, but if the shorters maxim that you make twice as much on the way down as you do going up is true then the opposite of pump and dump may be more lucrative. There again it may be true that shorters tend to be more sophisticated investors and less prone to the scams, but as shorting becomes more common and accessible among the smaller PI's, it may be an even bigger problem than pump and dump.
Just a thought, and I can think of a few who will attack this post as naive, but while I am certain it happens, I just wondered what empirical evidence there is for it.
Alan

Such is human internet share trading nature that 90% of people just cannot
help but deramp a stock once they have sold, subtle little hints give it away
all the time, it's just the urge to hopefully prove to yourself that you have sold
at the right time by hoping the price will drop after you have sold.
Personally i just move on, happy if i make a profit and happy if it goes higher
for genuine long term holders but in the rogue gallery of the advfn bb it is littered
with hundreds of vultures who would sell their own mother for a fiver.

From my experience of friends who short heavily and frequently, I certainly think that they watch their positions more closely than many who are long. They usually have an exit point already in mind at the start. People who go long frequently have little idea of when to sell and often give back much or all of their paper gains.

From memory though you are one of the most filtered posters on advfn haystack,
it's not that you go short on a lot of stocks it's the way you go about it, spoiling
threads and upsetting hundreds of people in the process, i think you were the first
or second person i ever filtered when that facility came to use and what a great
tool it has been, i only hope that moneyam bb's do not turn into battlegrounds like
advfn have.

Its already going the same way , and they won't do anything about it ,,idiots coming on to good threads and spouting pure shit about other shares ,and if he says buy ,sell etc ,i only want to go on to the fun thread for a bit of light entertainment now ,, THIS IS GOING THE SAME WAY AS ADVFN !!!!

One thing is sometimes a pointer to ramping and deramping (p+D) is that the thread gets busier and the movement of the shares move from the normal trend without any News or financial updates from the companies. But a lot of "so called" news is spouted and respouted. Also the movement of the shares is not related to "overall market movment" ie. with the Dow down 200 on Friday one could expect across the board a slight drop in SPs.

I think the amount of garbage written on SEO puts it in this light. (I am a long term holder of these shares.)

What amazes me is how Ram and DeRAMpers are able to make profits on some of the smaller shares with their wider spreads and fluctuating NMS.

It seems V. High Risk for small rewards.

ravey davy gravy
I choose stocks to post on that have been subject to constant ramping and act as an antidote. I post there to give an alternative view on stocks that are often dire and heading for the bin (DLG, MMD, ELH, EVS, LGB etc) or at least are never going to go anywhere. Many investors get sucked in by the constant ramping by a small group. All they do is post absurd projections and false rumours.

It would be useful to know the number of aliases registered by posters. This can be a simple number , in parenthesis, next to the poster's name.

It is not possible to tell how many aliases people have.

A possible feature might be to add the date registered of a username to profiles.

Yes and number of posts.

ZOO is a good example of a rampers stock. It halved in price yesterday and issued a severe profits warning ("materially
behind market expectations") and they have hinted of more bad news to come. The usual rampers are already calling this a buying opportunity and talking it up.

IMO, some rampers are innocent ostriches with herd instinct looking for comfort blankets and reassurances from others.

Colin Blackbourn isn't ... he should be locked up for his antics over the past few years.

in my opinion

it would be better if mam made it clear that u could only have one id and no otheir
and if u were found out to have multiple id u would be banned from the site for life

i think that might sort the problem

also imho i think mam should have a good look at themselves and ask the question of why if your a real investor u would need more than on id

cant be hard to crossrefrence the addresses to the names

that way if ppl were ramping or de-ramping u could trace it back to the source

take the muther outside and happy slap them

just an opinion

i have shouted about a share me self but that was because i thought in my heart of hearts it was a gower as i have said in earlier post i realise now that there might have been more to it that first though

anyway onwards and upwards

ps the happy slap bit was ment a a joke u know how some pc ppl on here might take it

We could all help ourselves to some extent by filling in at least some information on our personal profiles. For example, deadfred has at least volunteered his location as "graveyard". And Dil is, apparently, in Wales, wherever that is.

ALso, the MAM messenger is anonymous, but permits an "off-bb" conversation, which can allow people to communicate civily in private

I can't think of any way in which you could track multiple aliases. You can't realistically do it by IP address (these can change dynamically at each logon, or be the same for multiple users legitimately, as through a company gateway).

I see nothing wrong with showing "member since January 2003" information, though, and that is available to MAM, obviously.

It is not possible to cross reference addresses to names. If you are talking about street addresses then you can just make up a new address each time. If you are talking about IP addesses then most people get a new IP address every time they logon to their ISP.

Some IP addresses may be generic in that there may be large numbers of people working for the same company. They will all have the same IP address. People sometimes also generate a new user name because they have lost their old password. If MaM start trying to police IP addresses and post content (where it is not abusive) then they open up a huge task. Most BBs operate on the precedent set by Demon Internet case where the company was not liable until their attention was drawn to something posted that was defamatory. They lost the case because they did not remove the item. It indicated that they would not be responsible for content per se. ADVFN operate in the same way. It is not possible to read every post and judge it for content and it would not solve the problem as the decision would be based on the opinion of the reader. The terms and conditions of the MaM BB are quite clear and set out below.

If people genuinely think the BB is being abused then they should Email MaM and report the item.

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my point

mam has no clue who is using there bb

they should

imho

On the subject of personal profiles - just had a random mooch on three posters.
I see you've scrubbed up G ;)

deadfred
How do you suggest they do it?

And would we really want them to?

I blame the Scots.

Watch it, Taff . . .

:-)

want to buy a sheep dil

Want to be known as deadfredtwice ?

roflmao
kinky hmmmmmmmmmmm
lol
sort it out welshman

lol , sod off

see post 99 on the ''Recovery Share??? IQE'' some investors were making inquiries about fellows posters integertity quite a long time ago. its time for you to quit suehelen cus your flogging a dead horse.

Edit: Not worth the hassle!

Derek

see private mail.

G

Kivver's profile gets the prize :-)

LOL

Gausie:

Thanks, got it -- and replied.

D.

Kayak - thanks, good job your not femail! ;0)

Ramu - noted your comments in post no 34 on iqe, hope you have been distictive in your thoughts of who might be attempting a pump and dump which im sure you have been. Just to let you know, i started a quite sensisble and reasonable thread on iqe to which was hijacked by the proverbial 'pain in the arse'. Not only was she/he/it not happy with dominating my thread she/he/it started her/his own iqe thread. Now the share is rising yet again she/he/it is trying to gain the glory for tipping the share. I was also quite new to the share game the time and embarrasingly actually thought SH i was being quite helpful, of course a bit more experienced now and it makes you realise how 'newbies' can be duped by immoral. Ive also joined the queue to publisise the rampers.

Bring back hanging.

Bring back Ruth.

Don`t ramp it SH it,
you know she makes scents!!!!

SHhhhhh

Hahahaha - ROTLAHJUMIFTYEDWSAQVCSXZ!!

a SH es

to

a SH es

Deadfred; As others have posted on here before me, it is very hard to be 100% accurate in blocking access to those who are banned or who have multiple usernames. Despite some sophisticated devices here at MoneyAM (which I will not detail) we also have a very good working relationship with all the main ISPs in the UK and US.

As an example, and without giving out any real information, you yourself log in from a 'random' ISP address . However we can see that 17 other MoneyAM users have also had that same IP address allocated to them in recent weeks. If we were to block the IP address we could block others who have a genuine right to access our services. We can and do speak to the ISP's direct and they sort things out for us, again I will not detail the how's and why's !

Mike
MoneyAM

Oi , there's some silly b*ggers ramping England on my rugby thread Mike.

They'll dump the Welsh pretty soon ....

Bring back maggiebunton - boy does she ever have a dump.
Lovely pumps too, according to mg ;)

IMO, the most pervasive pump&dump and pyramid schemes are
- Money (distinct from wealth)
- Stocks and shares

Bullshare/Mike,

I am told it is possible to block individuals - the downside is a slight delay. Speak to your IT dept - I'm sure they can help you.

Not sure about blocking people. There are too much gaggings in this world.
As long as there is no compulsion/abuse/threats/..., I am happy to hear new and different opinions. But would like more "search lights", educations and alerts.

id tokens (they are hardware that has to be fixed to your computer)are the way forward

might cost a cpl of quid but they can be blocked instantly if missused

just an id

bullshare ive sent u an email

ramu
There is nothing unique attached to a logged-on user to ban then with. Most broadband users these days have details that are dynamically allocated by their ISP. Dialup users are a bigger problem as you can get a pay as you go dialup account as a minute's notice and supply a false address. Try www.Virgin.net for instance. That is just one of hundreds. You could just keep applying to Virgin for ever for instance. They cannot tell if you are the same person.

One solution is topay to post. If you subscribe to a paid for BB such as the Traders one here then the account is paid for by a credit card. Paid for BBs are generally better behaved (generally).

deadfred. replied.

Ramu; Don't worry we have looked at it. In fact we have a delay on Dil; he is still in the 1970's , but don't tell him!

When planes land at Cardiff (bi-planes) they tell the passenger "please set your sundial back two hundred years".

Just see how stupid the foreigners are!!!!

lol

evenin ramper

evening Mike , staying long or banned by midnight ?

When `planes land in London, the first thing English passengers need is an interpreter- into English.

Those who've posted candidate shares - I'll review them and update the header over the weekend.

G

Ain't got nowt better to do then gausie at the weekend.....seems the most logical thing to do...enjoy as always.

Hey gausie....u worked it out yet as to all the different aliases Dildo uses.....or are u still wearing those rose tinted spectacles and just keeping your fantasy alive with me.

SH it got SEO bang to rights though, clever shorter this girl, follow her long tips- short- and you could be a winner.

Bling - Baaaaagggghhhh Baaaaaggggghhhhh, follow like a sheep, never!!

SH - I've known Dil through the boards for probably 10 years now - and I'll say this of him: although he may not have a clue when it comes to international rugby, he can spot a pump and dump merchant at 10,000 paces.

Didn't take him long to finger you.

(Dil: I'll set 'em up .....)

This thread is a waste of time.....load of coadswallop if u ask me.

Gausie has really started some aggro on MoneyAm..all the threads are a washout these days.....

seeya.

Why seeya now Gausie...I thought u had lots to say..run out of your one line deramps....or waiting for your mates to come then turn on the heat again...coward.

Morning all
Nice thread, this is a picture of my friend Dave.

This thread should be pulled down.....we think it's died Gausie...your deramping or personal vendetta has failed...loser big time.

so long as you keep posting SH, it stays at the top.

Thank you.

Ah - 'we', eh what SueHelen.

If I want a laugh after work I come over to this thread......such a laugh...see Gausie has spent all day here...I thought you were off Gausie....ain't got nowt better to do yet.

Yeah wanna keep it at the top...when news start coming from DMR....wanna show you for what you really are Gausie.

Daves wife Veronica has nicked his razor blades.

You don't know any of us for what we really are SueHelen.
But some of us have the measure of you.

lol

Complete washout in operation..

This thread should now die.

Veronica was a hairy child.
Goodnight all
dominic simpson esq (a man with hairy friends)

Should let the dogs loose on this thread....

lololol!!!!!!!!!!!!
the dogs ARE loose on this thread and they are SUCH fun

hahahahahahahahahah!!!!!

Really should...maybe let Blinger loose with all the anger he's build up because of failures.

The only people who want this thread dead are those who feel threatened by what its trying to achieve - now i wonder who that could be?

Gausie , this thread is invaluable to newcomers and although I admit to fingering Sue first and often it has given me no joy.

If she just relaxed and chilled a bit I am sure she would enjoy the experience a lot more and could become one of the leading heads on the board and instead of suckering kids could offer a new angle to many of us oldies.

Regards

lol

1 lesson i have learned in my 2 years watching mam threads.

DON'T LISTEN TO SUE HELEN !!!!!!.

This is a very boring thread ..

Returning biefly to the matter in hand (as it were), I've watched with morbid fascination for some time the goings-on at Tadpole Technology (TAD). Recent events, namely the disposal of the Streaming Division (half of which they had only recently bought!) would suggest that this has again become a prime P&D candidate.

All those who thought that their fortunes would be made by some deal with Microsoft to deliver software using Tadpole's stuff must be waking up to horrible reality -- it was never going to happen.

So, how to get out, then? Let's see . . .

TAD has been P&d for 20 years now.

Another rule for the P & D maestro. If anyone asks you a difficult question, ignore it, abuse the questioner and finally try to move them away by disrupting a thread on a share they are long on.
See todays DMR and SEO threads for a master class.

desperado hewitt...after ur antics on the DMR thread.

Simple facts SH.
Rattled, definitely rattled.
And very very easy.

No hewitt....u were rattled so u had 4 of your friends join in with you.....why the hell should I be rattled......I;ve just had the more good news in that IC have tipped DMR as a buy yesterday.

Dontcha just love it????
4 friends?
Gausie I have never communicated with other than once on this thread.
Chocolat and I disagree on many investment issues and Blinger and I have squelched each other!!
Get a grip with your conspiracy theories.
very VERY easy

Get a grip hewitt...yes I will come this time next week.....I know which corner you'll be hiding..

I refer you to the post where I wished you the best of luck if what you forecast is true. I will have no need to hide. If you are wrong, you will.
Still waiting for an answer by the way.
I will keep asking the question.

hewittt.....I'm waiting for lots of answers first....I never provide answers to those sad individuals who have already made their mind up about something before you can even say something.

idiot.

i know my speeling is bad, but your maths is worse. whog up 700% my bottom! no wonder u live in cloud cukukoo land.

Kivver has just totally lost it in the last few weeks it seems.

"I never provide answers to those sad individuals who have already made their mind up about something before you can even say something."

Classic - should go in the header, Gausie.

Please can nebody tell me where a 700% rise in whog could have come from following sh's posts 23dec 2003. she/he/it has been posting telling everybody following her tip we missed out on a 700% in the shre price.

Kivver: do you mean this WHOG??

If you look, very carefully, just at the end of December 2003, something seems to have pumped this one up a bit, albeit hardly 700%. Sadly, it seems have declined to a mere shadow of itself very shortly after. Seems that it was, well, er, sort of, umm, dumped.

My best buddy, blinger can probably explain. He shorts a share at its very bottom, it never drops lower than that and he claims massive profits from trading it.
I know hes kind of the opposite from what the thread is about, but his mathmatical slant may help explain the missing 600%.

thanks boys, i think we all know where sh is coming from.

CW. this week MFI , LLOY today

MM, It was Hoodless Brennan getting people in. Bloody rubbish, I sold soon after thank god !

How you can put LLOY and sue helen in the same breath is beyond me. LLOY has been worth it for ages just for the divi. Today's rumours will certainly bring in a few spivs though.

Can we have NWG tomorrow? It's the only utility not pushing new highs every day and I've got bundles of stock

glad found this thread... MRP is ramped

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I think this thread's great. It helps to provide some credibility for moneyam as a bb. But although I dare say I may be in denial I hope MRP is not being ramped. It does look to have good fundamentals from what I can see, pe of 7.8 and profits 5 mil against market cap of 25 mil. It's got positive write ups from many tip sheets recently, (although I grant you this could be ramping of a sort, I don't know) and the naked trader says he has bought a lot at 20p, if true, I normally think he's quite a good picker. Isn't there some ambiguity because a lot of small shares rise for a few days through momentum traders after a piece of news.

Shouldn't pump and dumping only apply to shares where there has been no newsflow, no "something new" to warrant a re-rating etc. You could argue that shares like afd this week have risen too much on such news, victoria oil, central african mining and central asian whatever it is. But there has been something concrete in each case, regardless of whether traders have valued the piece of news too highly.

I'm concerned by shares and bbs for meridean petroleum, chaco? eme etc. Meridean has people on the bb saying there's going to be great news, hold on, etc etc, but the ambiguity with shares like chaco and eme is that there seems to be no shortage of traders willing to buy them so it becomes a "fool's market" where there's always a chance of selling it at a higher price to someone more stupid than yourself. So as long as everyone knows this it's okay. And with regard to the oil boom, how do you value them? VOG at 2.70 because of some broker's note that's been doing the rounds since the initial discovery.... How much of the gas can they get out, at what price etc?

But on the other hand I have contributed to boards for ADN, and ENN and there is very little interest in these brilliant shares. Maybe it would be good to start a board for boring shares with great fundamentals that keep going up gently. The ones you don't have to worry about every morning in case they've crashed.

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Saintserf, I have bought MRP shares... but still feel they are being ramped. I hope they do well... Still i hate rampers. I think these threads should be used to genuinely help each other, you soon start to know which names to trust...

getting back to the thread .... What does the panel think about SER ? Is the a "pump and dump" excercise in progress -checking out the recent RNS I reckon I have seen more oil in a drip tray than they make in a month - mind you was quite a big drip tray

For what its worth, I think that all "hole in the ground" companies are prime candidates for pump and dump.
Its not my area of interest but it seems to me that a company with a hole that promises to yield oil, gas, gold, minerals, diamonds etc. will always be very susceptible.
Before profits arise the data from testing is open to whatever interpretation you may wish to put on it. I know for a fact that a soil analysis from my back garden would show traces of all kinds of elements, and a good pump and dumper could present them to show I was sitting on a gold mine, literally. Unworkable and unprofitable. But not to the pumper.
I am very wary of any company that is not currently producing, and I miss a lot of gushers that way, but I think i miss the real pump and dump stuff as well.
Alan

al - even more extraordinary (i find it quite incredible) is firms like xstrata who are producing massive amounts of goods, are expanding and looking for aquistitions, profits increasing at incredible rates are trading on a PE of 8.5. ser, sey, tag, mrp all have minus or no pe. i dont get it! investors seem to invest more in companies that MIGHT find something to sell as opposed to those that have.

Go back to the TECH BOOM.

Mining and oil etc. smells a little like that period IMHO.

Personnel. I think it is worthwhile finding out more about the people connected to the company - CEOs, director's accountants, senior staff, promoters, major backers, those carefully keeping them,selves out of the spotlights etc. Then compare characteristics with your own experiences of two-faced smilers, back-stabbers, bullies, cheaters, liars, smooth-talkers, fancy-dressers, double-dealers, name-droppes, spinners, asassins, cheaters, slackers, maggots, etc ... Not necessarily indictions of problems but a very helpful start.

ax or anybody else - do you anything about sutcliffe at alexander mining (axm)??

for anyone interested



Gausie is a respected poster of many years standing.......having read hundreds of threads in my 15 year skirmish with the stockmarket i am unable to give SueHelen a similar accolade.

I'm afraid I have to take issue with one of the points you make Kivver. I like what you say about xstrata. I think all the big miners are good because I think we're in a long bull run for commodities, eg. about another 10 years or so. But MRP is on a prospective pe of 7.8 I think, . It depends how you calculate PEs which is murky, historic or prospective etc.

I am concerned too about the vituperative nature of sue helen's postings. It's the same as one of the rules of debating, when you start using insults, getting personal, losing reason and objectivity and becoming passionate using words that mask debate, like "sure thing", "clearly", "obvious" "no doubt" etc. When you start to get too excited just dip your reading fingers into any books by Peter Lynch, Warren Buffet or Benjamin Graham, they will temper your excitement and help you to see clearly. MRP may be dodgy, I agree but it's also a potential turnaround I think with these results.

you could say the same about numerous companies on the search for commoditities. Look at bowleven (blvn) share price graph, the rewards can be massive but the negatives could ruin you.

As for pump and dump (suehelen is an expert, thank goodness most can see straight through it), the tactics are completly different to someone who has over-excitment for a stock. It very important to make a distiction between the two.

No, no you misunderstand me Kivver. I mean good commodities companies with strong fundaments are good buys. Like RIO, BHP, cement, aggregates, platinum like Aquarius, lonmin, gold like peter hambro golden prospect, companies where the growth % per year is higher than the PE. I wouldn't buy any of these commodites without good pes, hence bowleven etc. Turnarounds are different, eg. Amstrad, marks and spencers, jessops, wolfson since last year, 100-400. They are not hype like the crap small commodites bubble at the moment they have to have good fundamentals because they've pissed off the market and require a big fundamental change to get back into the city's good books.

Fromy my observations and readings, Gausie has my vote. But we must all do our own thinking and decision making. IMHO, much cynicism and self-reliance are essential in our time, if only from past experiences.

Fred and I seem to agree rarely, but...........
The tech boom was built on giving massive values to companies that were no more than 6 desks, 4 PC's, 1 Geek and a bit of an idea that there may be millions in that idea. The real value of the company turned out to be about 30 at the local second hand office furniture store.
There were exceptions. Google is a prime example.
The mining and oil markets have some disturbing parallels. A hole in the ground is worth zip, until it produces profitably. There are one or two Googles and Friends Reunited out there, but, like tech stocks in the boom, every one can appear to be a humdinger but on average, they are overvalued as everyone looks for a more lucrative bet.
I wish everyone luck that they find "the one", but statistically I think there are more losses to be made than gains. I think someone mentioned a fools market on another thread and that may yet be applied to the burgeoning number of mining / oil stocks claiming a fantastic new prospect. While the bulls run, the ramps will work and many, not just the rampers, will make good money. I hope your timing is good because the majority will be just a hole in the ground surrounded by a lot of disappointed investors.
Alan

al - that was the point i was making, why the interest in stocks looking for commoditities whoes PE ratio are enormous or non existant but companies like xta, who have them, massive profits improving dividends trade on on a pe of 8.5. it dont make sence. suppose everybody thinks they have found the next Cairn energy???

Indeed, well look at Victoria Oil. What's its PE, how would you value that? I went on the meridian petroleum board and tried to ask a dispassionate question "What's the exact, precise nature of the news you're expecting?" and I got pilloried, because the last thing rampers want is someone proffering a dose of cold realism. They get accused of being sceptics, derampers??, and remember the maxim "the market makers want your shares" hmmm do they really. There is a thread on the moneyam board entitled "Fill your boots" AND ONE "Buy me I'm a bargain". I think they should be banned

I agree

I wondr who "Sue Helen" (smiler26) and Capetown (Dusseldorf) really are?

I wonder if they also post by more familiar names, on ADVFN at least?

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ravey,

Any ideas?

Suehelen is a arrogant ramper who lives in York, lost his/her money
and now works full time.
I actually had/have time for Dusseldorf but now the pair of them are
trying a new tactic on advfn and a very common practice for a pump
and dumper which is to repeatedly post a totally ridiculous price target
of 6p, first it was 2p now it's 6p, what these 2 posters have combined to
do is show extreme arrogance, that's just ignore all the common sense posts
and post pure ramps because they hope to suck in people believing that if
they think it's worth 6p then surely it's worth buying at less than 10% of that
price, the pair are both desperate to get out of this stock, any significant rise
and they will start dumping, i mean if it gets to 0.5p bid or higher.

I could add so much to this debate and name hundreds of pump and
dump posters from advfn but is it worth the effort, before i changed my
nickname after giving up on advfn for a while i had 4000 nicknames
filtered on that site, it is dominated by nasty pieces of work who do not
care if they post lies all the time to try and con any reader.

How about ETQ...is it a pump and dump?

I think the Robot Stock thread is all part of a pumping tactic... on the 10 March recommended MRP and tommorow DMR!! Does any one know what i mean... very suspicious...

Also lots of buys on DMR on friday... no sells?
Date Time Price Quantity Type Bid Offer Total buy
10/03/06 16:08 0.45 50,000 0 0.35 0.5 Buy 800,000
10/03/06 14:37 0.45 150,000 O 0.35 0.45 Buy 750,000
10/03/06 14:36 0.45 150,000 O 0.35 0.45 Buy 600,000
10/03/06 12:39 0.5 200,000 O 0.35 0.45 Buy 450,000
10/03/06 10:26 0.41 250,000 O 0.35 0.45 Buy 250,000

This weeks pump and dumps so far from advfn conists of the usual
nicknames once again using the same pump and dump thread (ups)
to tip (once again) the same stocks.

There's a poster called gagner2006 who is a new name to me who is
rife at this game (already) and in particular a stock with the ticker Zrl, a stock
with 2 mm's operating almost a 30% spread when both have the same
price and is currently 15.25p mid price but "Unbelievable you can get this under 25p IMHO" according to him.

Every week the same rubbish, this poster is desperate to get out of this stock,
if it so good then why does he need to ramp it everywhere ?

Plenty of other dodgy posters ramping their stocks on that thread and actually
including a couple of stocks i hold, ever heard the expression "do the ramping for
me", i will use any strength in the shareprice to reduce my holdings because the
prices never stay up for long.

Looks like the main pump and dump is going to be IQE this week.

Master RSI has selected that stock as the UPS of the week, In daily Traders Thread- Monday 13 March...

Exactly :-))

Would you not trust him then... he seems to know a lot about charts

Here's a list of other stocks that are on the pump and dump menu
for this week from glancing over advfn tonight.

Zba, Fmj, Eic, Dmr, Epe.

Be careful, dont chase them higher, it's very easy to pick stocks that will
rise but remember those who are flogging them have already bought them
at cheaper prices and now want to sell.

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Tonker.

No doubting his charting skills but anybody can cut and paste charts
and bollinger bands and in a short space of time anybody can learn how
to read them, i'm posting for the benefit of anybody who might believe
all his posts, the stocks are pumped and dumped, look at the reaction and
abuse i get, i known this poster for almost 10 years now, he used to flog
his stocks on every website going, again if the stock is so wonderful and
will be so much higher soon then why is he promoting it on so many sites
and threads ?

Well i will be more careful of him from now on.... I got fooled into buying DMR shares last month by the SueHelen thread... I will be more careful from now on, and am starting to know names i can trust ( ie Kivver)... Will hopefully be able to sell these f***king DMR s on this ramp.... hate to say it...

Its a bit silly having to have this thread at all , if you go on the internet and buy shares because some people under assumed names are tipping them ,,then you only need half a brain to know that your going to come unstuck. For someone who doesn't know much about the market ,the best thing to do is ,buy some tip sheets , buy the Financial Times , read the mags/ newspapers ,listen to the news , and you will slowly form your own opinion and probably earn a few quid .

Finally advfn's worst ever spammer, that's the nickname bitterlemontart,
who was first banned as absolute returns and then sweet cherry pie is
pump and dumping EO.
This poster is easily the most filtered poster on advfn but continue to spam
thousands of threads on a weekly basis and if banned just starts again with
a new nickname, best for advfn not to ban him and then everybody can filter
him as i have and then you wont have to put up with his crap ever again, please
please be warned about this poster, a serial spammer

jimmyb.

But newbies will always fall for it, i used to believe everything that was wrote
on the internet when i first set eyes on it, i still do have a elite list of posters
who i trust and respect, can we not try and help others who are new to the
game ?

Its never going to be that way ,(unfortunately) ... I didnt fall for it gravy ,i was always my own man ,i just lost money out of over confidence until i learned how to be patient .Like you ,i know some good people on these threads ,but it is a minefield ,however one ive never fallen for .

Ravey,

Thanks for your reply, and I agree there has to be a thread to expose what is going on, otherwise newbies may fall for the patter, and end up poorer for it.




Jimmy B,

Whilst you have had the sense not to fall for the pumpers and dumpers, sadly a great many people do fall for their patter, and end up losing hard earned money as a result.

if this thread saves one person from losing their money needlessly, it will have been worth it IMO.

Very true ,Andy .

Quite interesting with Zrl.

I wonder when the poster gagner2006 will actually realise that A: they are
totally wasting their time and B: they do more harm than good because nobody
will touch the stock because it's getting ramped on a well known pump and dump
thread "unbelievable it's under 25p"....not one buy today and 3 small sells.

lol

I am sure Warren didn't make his fortunates in a hurry and by following tips
... unless not without doing his own diligence.

ravy and andy fully agree with you (sorry jimmy b a poster who i really like) there is an absolute need for a thread like this to help the newbies to share investment well informed or at least offer them some advice they would like to take.

Well said axdpc, slowly changing my philosphy to that of longer term investing, but will always keep a samll percentage for momentum investing and oversold shares. Apart from kmr the best stocks i have held over the last 3 years have been tesco (now sold) and national grid in terms of growth and dividends. Hoping for the same from royal bank scot and Corus over the long term.

IMO, penny share "tips" given out freely on public BBs are bit suspect. If it is such a sure thing for 20, 50, 100 fold returns, then the tipper(s) would have tried to cleaned-up, raising enough money by borrowing, remortgaging, ... Perhaps enough to buy the company. Genuinely worthy buys would appear in news and public BB's only AFTER company insiders, business partner and associates of friends, relatives, people with the appropriate race/religion/class/clubs ... have had their fill.

For some real life, closer to home analogies, ... just take a look at one's own work place and see who creams the perks and who does the works and who take the risks then listen to the fancy-wored speeches ...

The alternative is to buy, in equal amount, ALL tipped shared and hoping one of them will give a big enough return to offset all other losses ...

Back to Zrl.

Not one buy so will that poster realise that not one person
takes any notice and now the price is down on 100% selling,
i wonder which trade was their's :-))

DMR.

All sells there but that will never stop the ramping of this stock
by suehelen.

Iqe, no profit for anybody buying into that, basically the only thing that
can make punters a profit if they fall for the spin is some good news to come
out which means it's all down to luck.

also look for 'definates' and not 'maybes'. kmr are definately building a mine, will it work? will it be finished, will there be an earthquake? questions to be asked. exploring companies should hopefully find something but equally they may not. look at bowleven (blvn).

This has made me chuckle with the nerve of the guy !

gagner2006 - 14 Mar'06 - 09:38 - 1778 of 1778


"No Oz is showing flat but down a little bit when you look at the buy-sell price movement.

I have sold out my remaining interest in Carpathian. Decided to transfer in to ZRL (which is slightly down thus far) due to the Uranium news recently"

If you check out recent UPS threads from advfn Carpathian according to gagner
was the best stock in the world.

Kivver,

I hold KMR.

Some "definates"

Seimens are laying the power from the national grid to the minesite, under a strict penalty clause, completion June 2006. Work is 90% completed.

Mine is well under construction, as a visit to the photo gallery on the website will confirm.

There was a small earhquake in Mozambique a couple of weeks ago, but no effect, and it's not a known area for earthquakes.

No damage done to the mine, not even a tremor there, and they have single storey buildings anyway, a little way from the beach.

Protected by Madagascar for sunamis.

60% of production pre sold.

Minerals are in the sand on the beach, they simply dredge and process.

Looks good to me, I intend to top up and hold for the longer term.

im with you andy, got 3 batches (18, 28 and 38p) and not sold one. Thanks for putting the information down. Thats the kind of share i like, none of this 'there sould be news soon' sort of stuff. There are never any guartantees but this looks as sure-fire as it can be. good luck to us and any other holders.

For a start SUEHELEN is 100% male . l happen to know people who know him . And over the years had one followed his investment strategy would be utterly bankrupt . Dont forget brokers/ MMs employ respectable city publicists who in turn employ less scrupulous boiler room fiscal institions to spend all day on either the telephone/ unsolicited correspondence / and now the best of the lot via the lnternet ramping/ deramping a particular stock especially volatile momentum stock . Sadly now individuals have caught onto the action via the internet BIGTIME ; and the rest speaks for itself ...For all is not as it seems on the LSE ...Je vous previens !!!!!!-Mefiez vous des apparences ..{ Be warned !! No MATTER how plausible and individual may sound always be very careful of appearances ! ........One of the worst "pump and dumpers " of recent times were NML ,TMC, and ARX -and to a lesser degree SEO ! which was ramped up to 30p ..Some of the ramping on SEO was so blatent it was hard to stomach . ..................My advice ? By all means get basic hard news from the FT or periodicals like IC { LOL } or "Shares" or Money weekly " BUT !!!!ALWAYS Do ALL your own RESEARCH,,,...,., READ , READ , READ .lf you havent got time your in the wrong game ...and if you have got time all your work pays of quite handsomely AND you can sleep at nights . You would be horrified as to the number of people who dont even check simple facts from complete strangers who wax lyrical about a certain stock . Avoid the likes of Capital assets , City equities and the ilk .But knowledge empowers so do ALL your OWN work .ALL of it !!! } And switch of your computer after making your position smugly thinking "HOW MUCH will i make on this one trade rather than having blindly following the herd and wondering which direction it is it headed . You ever seen buffalo on the move for patures new .Thats kamikaze trading ..Believe me ; Nothing comes easy in this game until YOU apply yourself 100% .{Although certain quaters entertain that notion } >>En brevite ,,,Dont lose your shirt to what after all is mere smooth talking , easing with confidence, little junior snot offering you all sorts of returns on a stock his gaffer has instructed him to sell ,,,>>,,,,.MY holdings ? Junior oil and select hard / soft commodoties plays for now / ,, Bonne chance ,,,,,,,,,@+ J,,,,,,,,

TFC,

Ok, any more clues?

and a complete berk and immorally corrupt and incredibly crap at maths (700% rise in WHOG my a r se). ps have have we had that 3 day news yet????? what price dmr today???

kivver,

Agreed, it's as solid as a mining stock can be IMO, time will tell.

How you doing Kivver? Have Bought in to London ASian Chinese investment fund... it is a bit of fingers crossed but am hoping for the best....

not too bad ta tonker, and you?? no nothing of the share above, but good luck.

I am not bad... feeling good about the LCP, think as soon as the share becomes better known it will do well.... 11.4% up already ( on first day though)... This one has a China spin to it so hopefully it will see the blue sky... What do you think of Eastern Europian property companies... ther are a few new floatations coming up, will be keeping a close eye on them

Theres a hilarious version of pump and dump going on on the new YOO thread.
Of course in this instance its a bad-mouth and buy scam.
The SP may well drop, and the company may be a bankrupt shell, but the guy posting the nonsense he does is a transparent amateur.
Excellent research material for how to spot a scammer, and I commend it as study material, or if anyone just fancies a bloody good belly laugh.
Alan

Tonker,
at least one of the flotations coming up has been subject to a boiler room type operation, pre float, as i have been contacted myself.
Be careful.
Alan

yes tonker, be careful, you seem to look in areas ive hardly heard of (not to say that is a bad thing). Share dealing and investing is a masive learning curve, and the promise of quick buck is always tempting and I still fall for it. The majority of my money now goes in shares that i watch before i buy, and have solid, concrete, actual real evidence of progression (shares i have shared with you before). But still cant help putting some small amounts of money into highly promoted shares on BB's like TAG (again i think it will come good) but still cant help being nervous because it has gone alll pear-shaped before with PET and BLVN.

other shares i want to have a good look at are;- rolls royce, bae systems, hardide, hydro consulting (or summat like that), st modwen properties, mccarthy and stone, and particularly like the look of areo inventory, but more research to do first.

Kivver,
I'm in HYC and have done very well (by my poor standards).
Its a real company, with a real product / service so it doesn't attract the BB crowd as much as others do.
Have a look at ITR and PCM if you fancy a flutter.
Alan

hewittalan6,

Out of interest, which IPO coming up has been the subject of a boiler room type operation please?

Can't remember the name now, but it started with an "A", and was being hugely pumped by an American outfit.
The name sounded very like a well known plc, but wasn't.
i didn't hang around on the phone too long, but it was simply a group who already develop property floating to take advantage of vast tracts of land they own in Croatia and Bulgaria.
it will come to me and I promise I'll post it on here when i remember.
Sorry i can't be more precise.
Alan

The Boiler Room, BTW was Oxbridge International.
Alan

The new floatations i was thinking about were Bulgarian Land Developement and Pactolus Hungarian Property... both of them look kosha.... in fact Shares mag gave Pactolus Hungarian Property had a good write up 14/20... feel could be a good short...

A companion to P&D in aims, but with a different approach...

Shares soar but cheats prosper

"...
INSIDER dealing is widespread in the City and getting worse despite new rules designed to crack down on it, the Financial Services Authority admitted yesterday.
...
In figures suggesting rampant abuse, the FSA found evidence that insider dealing was taking place before 29 per cent of the takeover announcements it investigated and before 22 per cent of company trading statements.
...
Even now, the FSAs 2,000 officials have been accused of failing to catch the big fish, while enmeshing the innocent in copious red tape.
...
Last month, the FSA meted out fines of 750,000 each to one of Londons biggest hedge fund groups, GLG, and its former star trader Philippe Jabre for insider dealing. But this was regarded by some as a failure because it amounted to just a few weeks pay for Mr Jabre and a few days profit for GLG.
..."

always look out for people starting new threads, esp when people have contributed to the ones already out. suehelen was a master at this. why do it??? hide bad news perhaps???

Kivver

Give yourself a pat on the back because you are spot on, unless a new thread
is really needed when the original poster who started it has long gone and new
info or charts is needed to be added then it isthe basis of a pump and dump.

I'll give you a brilliant example on advfn, Tou, Touch group, 3 or 4 rampers on
the old thread, no need for a new one then one poster "thinkbig" starts a new
thread and it's all ramp, thing is it sent a clear message out to the readers that
its a pump and dump, they killed the trade, on Friday it was ticking along nicely,
then these rampers appeared and today nobody will touch it with a bargepole.

kivver, ravey,

Yes I agree, if the original thread starter is still around, the appearance of an alternative thread is often the first sign of a ramp.

AAIR looks to be being ramped at ADVFN today, nice 20% spread too!

cheers ravy, i agree, it puts me off instantly. Its a bit of dilemma with trafficmaster (tfc) because it has been a bit of a dog of late, but seems to be making a bit of a comeback (although a long time after kat started promoting it) and there does seem to be good evidence to suggest that. But the posters on that thread and the NEW one over do it, over hype it and it puts me off it. Do they know something we dont???

congrats on your 3 grand by the way.

Haas anyone any thoughts on the new EME thread? I don't know the poster but the style is a little worrying. I'm not throwing any accusations here but the commentary on the buys and sells is a little familiar.
Alan

Indeed EME and the other oil one that sounds similar. The problem with shares like chaco, meridian, etc is that they are fertile ground for pump and dumpers. I seem to remember sanctuary went up partly because there was apparently a tip doing the rounds from some penny tips sheet that it was worth 5p. A broker's note that Chaco's worth 2. HMM I wonder.

St. Mowden and the others you mention are good shares but maybe a little too boring. I like the FTSE 250 mid caps because they have the best of both worlds. eg. ADN, TLW, BUR AQP's doing well at the moment. Papal power's done some good work on Leadcom on the bulletin boards, it looks good.

classic pump and dump was GW Pharmaceuticals a few days ago...blatantly ramped up by the press[backhanders?] then the boys in the know dumped the afternoon before the next mornings RNS...classic pump and dump job verging on criminal

Its not always easy to tell the pumpers from the merely over-excited. There's been a lot of this on Desire Petroleum, thankfully not on this board very much. One guy over on another board has a shedload - far more than is good for him and then proceeds to get almost tearful when queries about his pie in the sky forecasts are made. I think that could be less of a pump and dump and more someone very in love with "his" company- and love can be unrequited!
Would it be reasonable to say that most people posting on a BB have got the shares and only want to hear good news so inevitably we have a vested interest in seeing a ramp?

maestro.

You have some nerve coming onto this thread and critising the press for
Gwp, everytime i looked in on the Gwp thread you were ramping the hell
out of it, in fact whenever i can i recommend readers filter you on advfn
as you are one very dodgy and misleading poster who cannot tell the truth
if your life depended on it.

You must have been banned on advfn because i have not seen your name
crop up of late but i bet you are back with a new handle, you are quite
dangerous on a financial bb to any new investor because you bullshit and
bullshit a lot...and that's not imho...that the truth

If any investor is stupid enough to buy desire petroleum I despair. It is the most (pardon the pun) undesirable share going. It cannot get an oil rig for two years. This is the problem with a lot of these speculative explorers who lay claim to some acreage. How quickly can they get pumping and then translate it to the bottom line. Why not wait until they're actually making profits. I think Benjamin Graham says that he never based his investment decisions on prospective PEs because 51% of companies do not meet their forecasts. Therefore he always bought on historic PEs. Prospective PEs are by no means a sure thing. They're just hope.
The difficulty is that with the recent boom in commodities some institutuions for example RAB capital seem happy paying lots for stakes in White Nile etc because they're so scared about future oil prices.

I found this posted on the superscape board from a poster called Dalios. I thought it was hilarious.

H
You need to get a grip of how the markets work!
Did you realise that in the morning, the market makers read through the advfn fbb to decide how the sp should be set.
They know the posters all have city contacts.
When they see something as popular as SPS they instantly become short of stock and start shaking the tree as they need your shares.
This sometimes goes on for years and you will see the sp slide but you are safe to keep buying, or averaging down in the knowlegde that the shake is a great time to top upon on the cheap.
Wise up young(ish!) lady, im learning all the time, for instance, i've just found out that when directors are dumping their holdings, its because they know the shareprice is going to fly to the moon, and are selling so as to avoid being accused of insider dealing.
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Saintserf :-)

I think it may be a wise moment to get this thread started again having seen the resurgence of interest in the DMR thread.

Ian

Someones started two new threads for SER, by a new name of The Evil one.

Just out of interest does anyone think that Leadcom's being pumped?

Generally only one person posting (with good intentions I think), i certainly wont go near it until i see the price going up.

Aldwickk - an interesting observation.

In the hilarious novel "The House of God" by Samuel Shem, the Fat Man illustrates how the junior doctors arrive at outlandish, incorrect diagnoses by saying that if one of them heard hoofbeats outside, he'd automatically assume it was a zebra.

The SER thing is also a "zebra". Brokers publish reports and recommendations every day of the week. End of story.

PUMP =- but by Whom?
Let's remember prior to 2000, when any ol' rubbish could be placed and make a profit....wasn't that "pumping?" - to sell something for ten-times its notional value?. (Of course when a Co is launched there is a risk the price is "too high" because the promoters are getting excited by their own words.).......but very soon the Market will question: What turnover, What Profits and importantly what repeat Orders?
...and what cash at bank until the business has been trading 5 years, or more...
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Until a company can change one of these four quarters (via RNS) and the Market can confirm truth, then everything else...is pumping...so by that definition, I Pump - Oh No!
Lets's have a moritorium on phrases like
"This one is set to go" -
"The market for (something losely related) is worth $xxxbillions"
"Directors bought today..."

For these words mean nothing if the Dirs are playing golf every day...or visiting potential customers (esp with an RNS), which are never followed-up. Visiting prospective customers is easy - you are taking them to lunch, so why would they refuse?.....getting someone to committ to a new Business =- sh that's tricky - just as "No-one got fired for buying IBM".....your contact might, if he buys widgets from this Novelty Widgets a Go-Go company with a tiny turnover - can they deliver quality on time?
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So we could construct a PUMP pattern - that of "kind words" and the resulting sp-rise against what the company is actually doing - via its RNS....and here I mean satisfying the above Four Quarters of Business - for without those improving the sp will slip back to the original "comfort zone" . Think of it as a beam-balance which is in balance by what outsiders say and what the company does. Ask yourselves: Are these facts in-balance? So often they are wildly out.
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I don't own shares in the Novelty Widget a Go-Go Company; but I wish I did, as Directors have been buying and the Market is several $billion, growing 5% pa with little competition as they have a strong Patent.
Ah.

Spammers manipulate stock markets
Spam messages that tout stocks and shares can have real effects on the markets, a study suggests. People who respond to the "pump and dump" scam can lose 8% of their investment in two days. Conversely, the spammers who buy low-priced stock before sending the e-mails, typically see a return of between 4.9% and 6% when they sell.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5284618.stm