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Traders Thread - Friday 20th February (AL.)     

Crocodile - 19 Feb 2004 23:02

UK PreMarket Futures FTSE -25 DAX -30 DOW +2 S&P -0.3 Nasdaq +1.5

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U.S. stocks closed lower with most of the declines made in the last half hour of trading with the Nasdaq being hardest hit

Alliance & Leicester reported profit up 12 percent to 525 million pounds from 468.3 million a year earlier slightly above market expectations mainly due to mortgage lending. It also announced that it would buy back shares this year.

De Vere Group hotelier said it saw its overall trading environment as variable, with resilience in the leisure break market but a less consistent recovery in business conference demand. Like for like revenues rose 1.8 percent in the first 19 weeks of its financial year.

Go-Ahead transport group posted a 43-percent jump in half-year profits to 47 million up from 33 million and at the top end of estimates, boosted by its rail and bus units.

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Melnibone - 20 Feb 2004 09:27 - 10 of 58

Morning all,

Will probably just be an observer today.

We're too near a triple top in the FTSE with too much
profit left for folk to take for me to be tempted into
buying anything.

US bounced back off a double top yesterday and closed the
gap open it left on Tuesday. So US could possibly rise again
today which would make the FTSE, if it followed it, even
more overbought IMHO.

Some of the stocks I'm bearish on are bouncing which may mean
that Bears are taking profit prior to going flat for the weekend,
so I don't fancy any shorts there just yet either.

So, all in all, staying flat with maybe the odd scalp if the
opportunity presents itself.

Mrs. Melnibone is off work today, so no doubt a delightful day
of shopping beckons. :-(

Melnibone.

little woman - 20 Feb 2004 09:52 - 11 of 58

I've just filled an application to open an account with finspreads. After the problems I had with D4F, I'm wondering if I'm making a mistake? Anyone got any opinions?

Melnibone - 20 Feb 2004 10:00 - 12 of 58

Have never used finspreads, little woman, but I believe
snoball has some experience with them.

As well as my D4F account I've opened a Capital Spreads
account as a back up/alternative. I'll be using them to
play the US in 's in the evening and keep using D4F CFD's for
my FTSE share plays and UKX index trades.

Haven't used them for real yet, I'm waiting for the S@P to top
out and then play the short side for a retracement.
But the simulator seems very user friendly.

Melnibone.

little woman - 20 Feb 2004 10:47 - 13 of 58

Thanks Melnibone.

FTSE100 doing well again. Next week is going to interesting - is it going to continue up, or is there going to lots of profit taking and drop!

seawatcher - 20 Feb 2004 12:15 - 14 of 58

little woman,Melnibone

I'm new on the block. Been reading your posts for a week or so. Am experienced with share and traded option trading but want to trade shorts more easily. At present I am having a 21 day trial of the ETRADE CFD platform which seems good. Watched relationships between CFD and actual prices for a few days and today have made several hundred imaginary pounds with no more than 5000 margin trading Aviva Longs. Next I will try a spread bet platform ( did try to set up with D4F but web site went down and that put me off).Do you have any problems Melnibone?

Can either of you experienced CFD and Spread Bet experts advise which is best of these to go short with.
Really appreciate any suggestions and will post again regarding ETRADE platform
sw

little woman - 20 Feb 2004 12:42 - 15 of 58

sw - I had problems with D4F, - the biggest problem was they closed all my positions without telling me.

I'm off now until Sunday afternoon - so will take a look at this thread then, if anyone wants to post any comments

Melnibone - 20 Feb 2004 14:52 - 16 of 58

Hi seawatcher,

I'm not a spreadbet specialist, I'm just venturing into
that particular field as we speak.

I've been trading CFD's for over a year year now with CMC(D4F).
I trade them just as I would shares, but with the ability to
go short or hedge using the FTSE100(UKX).

A lot of people seem to have had problems with CMC, but I never
really have. I don't margin up excessively and it would have to
be a really vicious false spike to take me out of a position
with a margin call. Maybe that's why, I don't really know.

You do get requotes, but I've had them in my favour as well as
against me. FTSE 100 share spreads are similar to what you see
on the Mam stockwatch, but they can and do widen when things
get volatile. As I mainly swing trade stocks this isn't really
a problem to me. I just wait until things settle down and usually
get what I want during the day's trading range.

The platform does freeze sometimes, but from what I read on other
sites this seems to be pretty much endemic to other providers as well.
Especially when a big move happens and more and more people try
to trade at the same time in a fast moving market.
Some people say it's to stop people making money on a big move, but
I'm not so sure myself, the computer would have to be programmed
to selectively freeze out traders who would cost the company money
and keep live those who would make the company money. There will always
be some folk short and some folk long.
Possible I suppose, Croc could answer that better than me.
I would tend to think that it was an overloaded system that couldn't
cope with the demand.

Try a few more demo platforms and see what you think for yourself.
Compare spreads and up front margin, initial account deposit etc..

Melnibone.

Melnibone - 20 Feb 2004 15:17 - 17 of 58

Having posted all that, I've got 3% profit to take on a share
and I can't log in on MarketMaker or the web-lite version to take it.

Sod's law. Lol.

Melnibone.

stockbunny - 20 Feb 2004 15:23 - 18 of 58

Afternoon people - see BP are on a share buy back, good
for the price for now anyway!
So no shopping after all Melnibone??
((Wouldn't blame you it is absolutely freezing out there
when the wind blows!!!))

Melnibone - 20 Feb 2004 15:52 - 19 of 58

Done the shopping this morning, stockbunny.
M@S and House of Fraser now have more of my money
than I would like them to have. :-(

Finally logged in on CMC and got my shares sold.
Logged in to Capital Spreads and it looks like they
are having problems as well.
FTSE Daily Cash is showing 4535 and they are accepting
Telephone orders only on the FTSE. Little odd that.

I bet there's a lot of frustrated Bears about.

Melnibone.

seawatcher - 20 Feb 2004 15:53 - 20 of 58

Melnibone,
Thankyou very much for sparing me so much of your time on this interesting day and for the helpful answer.
sw

Melnibone - 20 Feb 2004 16:24 - 21 of 58

Capital Spreads seem to have got their FTSE feed sorted out.
Quote is back in synch with the cash market and internet
orders are back on the menu.

Melnibone.

stockbunny - 20 Feb 2004 16:51 - 22 of 58

I hope you have shares in M&S !!! :o)
If you don't I for one am very grateful for your choice
in store!!!

driver - 05 May 2006 11:30 - 23 of 58

I'm on these, ALLIANCE & LEIC .

Santander Central Hispano is reported to be in exclusive talks to acquire Alliance & Leicester PLC in a deal worth more than 6.5 bln stg.
That is over 1400p a share

cynic - 17 Sep 2007 16:22 - 24 of 58

what a strange biz this is ....... volume = 19 million, split almost equally between buys and sells, yet sp has dumped 200p = 22.5% today alone

cynic - 17 Sep 2007 16:26 - 25 of 58

and now down 250 ..... hope no one knows something we don't

cynic - 17 Sep 2007 18:55 - 26 of 58

i found the following of interest ....

"Royal Bank of Scotland (LSE: RBS.L - news) said in a note that neither Alliance & Leicester nor Bradford & Bingley (LSE: BB.L - news) was as exposed as Northern Rock to wholesale funding, but added that Alliance & Leicester had a similar-sized balance sheet with a large block of treasury assets."

am i even more stupid that already well-broadcast, but can "a large block of treasury assets" be anything but good?

meanwhile, i note lots of soothing noises, particularly from BoE re guaranteeing of NRK deposits - as if they were ever truly at risk anyway

seawallwalker - 17 Sep 2007 19:11 - 27 of 58

Wel, I know something.

The pendulum swings the other way tomorrow.

So, I buy here.

cynic - 17 Sep 2007 19:16 - 28 of 58

sure hope you're right, though shan't be buying more as have more than enough

cynic - 18 Sep 2007 09:58 - 29 of 58

what a difference a night makes!
having read the Telegraph at breakfast and seen its SELL recommendation even at <600, i fully expected a further fall, not least because of 2/3 broker downgrades yesterday.
suddenly, sp rockets (thank you God!) and Cazenove upgrades the stock!
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