Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Just joking ,

But out of Naples came Sophia Loren. Una gran bella ragazza.
While Naples has always been a slum, much of Europe is looking sad and neglected. I used to secretly admire how the Parisians were prepared to pay the high taxes to maintain a great city. But that looks worn out these days. Rome is magnificent provided you don't live there. Much of Poland and Hungary look very nice but few want to live there also. Etc.

i went to naples (italy) a couple of year back and was sorely disappointed

i have been to budapest on biz since
great for a long w/e but prob no more, but it's an interesting place and ridiculously cheap too
not exactly pretty in the way that london and paris are, but certainly worth a visit

Not been to Naples (Italy) but hear it's quite crime ridden.

so are lots of places but it just wasn't a nice city either architecturally or anything else

That's a good enough reason to go to Naples .

she's weathered well too
note that the face is very symmetrical, and apparently that is one of the keys to perceived beauty

I think this is her a long time ago cynic :)

Fred sent me this picture of him .

I was referring relatively to Naples which I believe is true.

jimmy - x post .... i wrote it before you posted the pic

Capri and Sorrento are magnificent....Vesuvius is worth a visit and what about Pompei and Heracleum ?.....and pizza, gelati/icecream and Italian food in general....Naples is underestimated !....

i remember going to pompeii about 50 years ago ...... it was unbelievably hot! ..... i still have 35mm slides somewhere :-)

it still does not alter the fact that naples is a shithole
i don't go out to eat pizza, or only very rarely, and i thought the restaurants below par

The pro eu media and the establishment are potraying the eu referendum
debate as being between the pro-eu Tory's and the rest of the pro-eu
establisment parties, against the Tory anti-eu'rs...

There'l need to be a time when Nigel Farage and the rest of
the anti-eu side WILL have to come to the front and start getting
the message out LOUD and clear what the cost and repercussions
that WILL happen if we stay in that organisation..

At the moment the pro eu media are quite happy to go along
with the stituation as it is, because they know that Nigel Farage
will make it more plainer and to the point which the pro eu media don't want...

Whats Milan like bit ponsy I hear? not been but have a chance to meet-up with people in the summer.. in fact although I like Football and Pizza I have as yet never been to Italy.

When considering Europe only, the best reasonably priced restaurants are in London in my opinion. That goes for every type of food available. You really don't have to do a lot of searching to find a nice place.

Italy is a very nice place. I wouldn't mind doing the tour that Rob Brydon and Steve Coogan did a couple of years back. The great scenery and history helps to make even the meals enjoyable most of the time. I will go back to Rome time after time, but not for the food. Just walk around, get hungry, then anything tastes almost ok.

venice out of season is well worth a visit
in particular, i would recommend a private guided walking tour of the bits of the city you want to see

I have been considering Venice for a long time. Just not go to it. Is it like Rome, too hot in the summer? I prefer to go to Italy in late September/October.

venice is just hot and smelly and too full of tourists in the summer
we last went in april/may though the spring tides can then flood st marks square which makes for some jollity ...... shoes off, roll up the trousers and start wading!