peteark
- 24 May 2005 13:03
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hlyeo98
- 28 Jul 2005 09:35
- 1009 of 1643
This is very poor news considering its potential. It has been over-hyped.
insiderinside
- 28 Jul 2005 09:54
- 1010 of 1643
I did mention in earlier posts about the cost of setting up CCR - they needed to spend on the VOIP - it was all there in the armshare write up about not believing they could muddle their way through the murky waters of VOIP.
Advans and Pete did well did they not as did the big seller.
Never mind - my last post on EVS - all the best for the future - the coming dilution may see the price well low now for the forseable future.
I am not gloating - I tried to warn you - and I feel sorry for those holding today.
Chin Up - it happens to us all sometime.
Nice to get some appreciation for being a bear and not just abuse - I only post on over ramped - over hyped - over spun stocks with a bear view - well - when you buy and sell its your own choice - and you can blame nobody else if you do not research enough into the share - DYOR !
TheYaKuZa - 28 Jul'05 - 09:45 - 14221 of 14223
IInside..... hope people will realise why forum needs both BEARS as well as bulls.
Rampers (they know who they are) on here who were mocking the likes of you can hang their heads in shame.
Haystack
- 28 Jul 2005 10:09
- 1011 of 1643
What about this bit? It makes no sense at all unless their margins are shrinking. The comment "volatile sector" is what is significant.
"Our current commissioned research shows that the market for International telecoms via a pre-paid calling card remains significant at #495 million per annum(1).
While this is an important part of the UK market it has always been and continues to be a volatile sector. Envesta competes in this market by continually seeking new niche opportunities.
Our strategy is not to grow this business further, but use it as a foundation from which to move deeper into retail products thus removing our reliance on this single market."
gordon geko
- 28 Jul 2005 12:30
- 1012 of 1643
mkt reacted to this like profits warning this looks like its recoverable and results will be good so cheap at this price IMHO
capetown
- 28 Jul 2005 12:42
- 1013 of 1643
GORDON,would you hold?
gordon geko
- 28 Jul 2005 13:08
- 1014 of 1643
got no choice as paid wrong side of 6p
short term could pick up from this level mk cap only 9m downside fairly limited worry is may be rights issue are the corner which might be deeply discounted results due end of september so might pick up towards them.
hlyeo98
- 28 Jul 2005 13:55
- 1015 of 1643
below 2.7p ...maybe a BUY
capetown
- 28 Jul 2005 14:09
- 1016 of 1643
Sane here gordon so i am going to stick with it.
Thx.
No more trading for me for a year or two.
REDHILL
- 28 Jul 2005 14:41
- 1017 of 1643
Company only valued at 8.6 million at the moment.Profits this year of 4.4million!
Downside is the cash call for expansion.Got to be a takeover certainty if it drops any further.Turnover this year was over 21 million.I think Kevin was getting the bad news out of the way.
RED
capetown
- 28 Jul 2005 15:09
- 1018 of 1643
Redhill that is good news,and encourageing for the likes of me who are sitting on a HUGe loss at the mo,bottom draw for now together with the rest of my stocks with the exeption of rtd.
cheers.
Ling
- 28 Jul 2005 15:14
- 1019 of 1643
A rights issue might be viable.
ptholden
- 28 Jul 2005 15:29
- 1020 of 1643
What's a Rights Issue Ling? And why might it be viable?
many thanks for your advice.
pth
gordon geko
- 28 Jul 2005 16:06
- 1021 of 1643
REDHILL
NOT SURE ABOUT THE 4.4M PROFITS THIS YEAR ?
Haystack
- 28 Jul 2005 16:54
- 1022 of 1643
Over-ramped, over-hyped and over-valued.
Ling
- 28 Jul 2005 17:05
- 1023 of 1643
Sarcasm, PTHolden! I am sure the Web will explain a Rights Issue for you. If you really don't know then you should stay out of the stock market.
ptholden
- 28 Jul 2005 17:11
- 1024 of 1643
Not sarcasm at all Mr Ling. Always willing to tug my forelock and bow down before superior knowledge. Please enlighten me, or don't you know yourself?
pth
Haystack
- 28 Jul 2005 17:20
- 1025 of 1643
ptholden
A rights issue is where an existing shareholder has the right to buy more shares at usually an advantageous price. It is to rase more money. It does look as though there will be one. It will more likely that it will be an open offer though - subtle difference.
Ling
- 28 Jul 2005 17:36
- 1026 of 1643
PTH - if you wish to be serious I will make some comments. A Rights Issue is where the company give a shareholder the right to buy their shares at a discount to the existing price. Maybe 1 for 5 or some such figure. This means that for every 5 shares you hold you can buy one more share at a lower price. Rights Issues don't always work if the SP is going down fast I should add. You don't have to take up the Rights and they can be sold because they have a value - all dependent on the SP not collapsing. There isn't much point in taking up a Rights offer at, say, 3p on EVS if the SP on the open market is 2p. Management will usually try very hard to make sure their Rights offers don't suffer this fate but it can be tricky for them.
Ling
- 28 Jul 2005 20:04
- 1027 of 1643
An open offer, also known as an entitlement issue, is an offer made by a quoted company to its shareholders inviting them to buy new shares in the company at a set price which is normally lower than the current market price.
The purpose, as with a rights issue, is to raise new capital for the company. Unlike a rights issue an open offer cannot be traded or sold on by the shareholder - usually, if you do not take up your entitlement, it lapses. Because of this, when an open offer is announced, you will be allocated sub shares, not nil paid shares.
The other way that open offers differ from rights issues is that sometimes you will be allowed to apply for more than your strict entitlement under what is known as 'excess application'. Shareholders tell the company (or its registrar) how many shares they want to buy, including any excess shares, and pay money to cover their application. The company, before announcing the offer, will have determined how much capital it wants to raise, and the number of shares it needs to sell in order to raise the amount. When it has received all applications, it will either scale them back (if more shares have been applied for than it wants to sell) or it will issue all the shares requested (including any excess applications). If a shareholder's application is scaled back, he or she will be repaid funds for the shares not actually issued.
Haystack
- 28 Jul 2005 21:46
- 1028 of 1643
Of course it could be a placing of new shares with an institution.
Does anyone know what authorities EVS has at present for issuing new shares and for how many?