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Lloyds Bank (LLOY)     

mitzy - 10 Oct 2008 06:29

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Master RSI - 08 Oct 2009 18:30 - 1010 of 5370

        JOKE OF THE DAY

"marni" has gone barmy

no site of husband
since she is banned

from entering the bed side
without the cow's gown


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marni
If have you keept personal things personal, ( instead of advertising them around every thread, posters would not take the piss of it now )

Fred1new - 08 Oct 2009 18:33 - 1011 of 5370

NRSA,

I think you would be a little wiser to read postings a little more carefully than jumping to conclusions.

At the moment I prefer to observe the comments on this thread.

But the remarks you make are representative of how you view the world.

It seems to ne your view is a little bleak and miserable, not like your short term views on LLoy.

Ah Well.

Not squelching you yet, but it will be satisfying if I do so.

If you can, have a nice evening,

Master RSI - 08 Oct 2009 19:03 - 1012 of 5370

Fred the new poster

re - It seems to ne your view is a little bleak and miserable,

For being new it seems you want to enter the fray and change and twist but not for me, I am not BOTHER about your explanation, it was pretty clear.

Well here it is cos I am able to take the piss of almost everybody here, there is for a good reason, I am happy with my own research and trading, yes almost every day I am trading several times, and I can tell you I do not like to sell at a loss.

So below is the ranking for the week so far at "UPS" thread, I already took profits on some of the the 6 shares that I selected and bought during the weekRanking at close of play Thusday 8 SOU 1.60 2.825 76.56 robbi123 1 BPC 3.875 4.875 25.80 Master RSI 2 MWA 13.50 16.00 18.51 panamabob3 3 VGM 1.35 1.56 15.55 OneEyedJack01 4 CHL 98.50 113.75 15.48 gushing 5 TNZ 16.75 19.25 14.92 OneEyedJack01 6 TLDH 11.75 13.50 14.89 Elland_Road 7 TMC 40.50 46.25 14.19 rutty74 8 INCH 27.96 31.60 13.01 Master RSI 9 CAL 32.875 37.00 12.54 Master RSI 10 NASA 9.125 10.00 9.58 Still Waiting 11 ANR 4.00 4.30 7.50 Master RSI 12 ANGM 3.50 3.725 6.42 figure6 13 VOG 5.875 6.20 5.53 Master RSI 14 OBT 18.50 19.50 5.40 robbi123 15 PRL 4.70 4.95 5.31 robbi123 16 IFL 48.125 50.50 4.93 Master RSI 17 VGM 1.35 1.375 1.85 OneEyedJack01 18 FUM 37.00 37.25 0.67 codhead1 19

marni - 08 Oct 2009 19:22 - 1013 of 5370

i see vog and anr on the list............maybe dil can give you a proper analysis of recent share price

well it seems you are annoying most people on various threads master.........i quite like dils nickname for you but i am too polite to resort to that.

Dil - 08 Oct 2009 19:49 - 1014 of 5370

Some of the percentage rises on those penny shares wouldn't even cover the spread that's why he has only posted the mid price.

Measuring mid price to mid price is a joke and you also have to believe they sold at the top ... another joke.

Now post the bottom half of the table.

chakli - 08 Oct 2009 19:49 - 1015 of 5370

each share has its story ,i bought a few on ups from master and marni to my gain.
this one has its own starting since master picking this and a few trying to desuade him .
WHY???
i guess people keep checking this thread to see what he picks next .

Dil - 08 Oct 2009 20:13 - 1016 of 5370

Got no problem with what he picks chalki , it's the bullsh*t afterwards .... losers that come back into profit your expected to believe he still hold but those that don't he never mentions again.

All I've asked is what stop loss he uses and he can't answer ... says it all imo.

tabasco - 08 Oct 2009 20:23 - 1017 of 5370

ChalkiI am sure I have eaten you in an Indian restaurantvery tastybit of a chilli twizzler

dealerdear - 08 Oct 2009 21:39 - 1018 of 5370

Master.

Why do you concern yourself with defending yourself by attacking others whose only motive is to wind you up? Many on this thread are ignorant, they couldn't make money from the markets no matter how hard they tried and their only reason for being here is to annoy you. You should get back to basics, squelch them if necessary or just simply ignore their ramblings. Concentrate on what you do best which is technical analysis and disreard their spite. You're being drawn into their games when there really is no need.

At the end of the day this the LLoyds thread and all the posts should be about that. If the board jokers want to insult then let them do so. They only embarrass themselves.

Master RSI - 08 Oct 2009 22:19 - 1019 of 5370

Lloyds Banking Group's plans for a multi-billion-pound rights issue and asset sales are unlikely to get off the ground, warned investors and analysts.
The bank's scheme to avoid the government's toxic debt insurance plan by tapping investors for 15billion and selling off divisions is 'highly risky', insisted one leading shareholder.
He believes the attempt to negotiate a private sector solution to Lloyd's capital shortage is being driven in part by Labour's desire to claim the state-controlled lender is on the road to recovery.

Ambitious plans: The bank hopes to tap investors for 15bn to avoid Labour's toxic debt insurance scheme
'It is a toxic cocktail of politics and investment bankers chasing commissions,' the investor said. 'This would destroy shareholder value.'
Analysts agreed the plan looks far-fetched.
'It is difficult to make the maths stack up,' said one analyst. 'I am sceptical that there is a near-term solution on asset disposals that could generate a material gain.'
Lloyds is in talks with the Financial Services Authority over a proposal to raise around 25billion from a combination of issuing shares, buying back debt and selling assets.
It has to strengthen its capital base if it wants to circumvent the Treasury's costly and humiliating Asset Protection Scheme. But many investors are deeply reluctant to plough yet more money into the bank, because a rights issue would have to be at a painful discount to the firm's share price (down 1.35p to 94.31p yesterday).

Meanwhile a mooted sale of the bank's Scottish Widows division to raise cash is believed to be a non-starter, because it would not generate enough money to improve Lloyds' capital ratios.
Recent deals have priced life and pensions firms at less than their book value.
Analyst Jonathan Pierce of Credit Suisse said: 'It would be highly unfortunate, not to mention disruptive, if Lloyds launched its (presumably several-pronged) plan only to find it failed.'
Lloyds chief executive Eric Daniels currently has three options on his plate: Sticking with the existing plan of taking out Treasury insurance on 260billion of assets; substantially reducing his use of the APS; or dodging it entirely by raising around 25billion of capital.
Most experts say the second of these is the most likely outcome.
Talks are still under way between Lloyds, the FSA and the Treasury, which controls 43 per cent of the bank. A deal could take weeks to conclude.
A spokesman for Lloyds said: 'As we have said before, there are a number of options available and we continue to review them.'

Master RSI - 08 Oct 2009 22:35 - 1020 of 5370

dealerdear

re - Many on this thread are ignorant, they couldn't make money from the markets no matter how hard they tried

How right you are, but do not worry about the wind up they are trying, because at the end, I enjoy giving them a lesson of how to trade, how to do HTML and on top jokes, I made by accident and I thought good enough for some posters to comment about, very dry and in a put down way.

Be aware that most of my share selection are short term, but on most cases are cheap enough for them to be at bottom looking for UPTREND or already on this uptrend.

As you said it is easy to critisace, though I know they have no reason, specialy about my selection, but no change of them saying one share to go UP... cos theuy are affraid to embarrass themselves.

thanks for enjoying my " technical analysis " and saying so

chakli - 08 Oct 2009 22:39 - 1021 of 5370

tabasco
like yourself typed wrong hence chakli instead of chalk one .
ended up with this poster name ,is there a way to change the posting thread name .
no comments on your diet .eat who you may but shit you will !!!
have you eaten in balti triangle in birmingham alot of curry places

Master RSI - 08 Oct 2009 22:54 - 1022 of 5370

chakli

re - i guess people keep checking this thread to see what he picks next .

Maybe some do, but too affraid to admit it, nevermind, I have penty places that they ask for those selection, and I feel ambarras myself to post them because is not the right thread.

I know that I make money from them, so I would like other investors to be able to do well also.

like in many places there are detractors, most likely they have no money to invest and plenty of time to spare ( unemployed ) to talk nonesence, and being disruptive is their way to do so.

you will soon find out who is one or the other, specially cos they will talk negative all the time or not at all about LLOY.

I do not tolerate a talk down of my work that I spend time on reaching that conclusion and on most cases put money down as an investment, and on doing so I will use any dirty tactic to denegrate their integraty if they have any.

Glad you are on my side and reading my posting

Dil - 08 Oct 2009 23:17 - 1023 of 5370

deardealer , if you knew sod all about TA then at present LLOY certainly aint a buy that's why he is posting news stories (FA) as the TA says sell.

As for too scared to post my thoughts mr tosser try IDH , WCC , SWG , ISG , AVN , HLO , JDG ... I hold and have done for a while in most except WCC which I bought back into earlier this week.

Dil - 08 Oct 2009 23:23 - 1024 of 5370

As a general rule I use a 20% stop loss but may lower this to 10-15% when the investment hits my original target price of at least a 25% gain.


Now how about you coming clean mr tosser ?

marni - 09 Oct 2009 00:28 - 1025 of 5370

yes, and i've posted on many threads this year showing that i've been picking huge winners.....long term winners!

do you think dealer and master are siamese twins?

tabasco - 09 Oct 2009 07:56 - 1026 of 5370

Good morning all>

Chakliyour post 1021 is not very niceI simply noticed Dil had Mis-spelled your name to a tasty Indian dish and I had a GiraffeBTWI have eaten at the BelfryI would imagine that to be fairly close to the balti triangle in Birminghamother than that I cant help you
I will ask you to post your opinion on the merits of lloy being a strong buythe Master has declared this all the way up to 1-11...I will leave you to work out the hit taken on todays priceI value your opinion equal to his and others on these threadsbut take note of only a fewhis timings are questionable to say the leastand as said by another poster the percentage rises on many tips wouldn't even cover the spreadand with no game plan publishedhe can manipulate to suit
Unfortunately he believes himself to be Mr. B from Omahawhen in fact he is nearer Mr. Beanthose that are following blindly are helping him not themselves imo

Master RSI - 09 Oct 2009 08:52 - 1027 of 5370

        MORNING TEA


It applies on many of YOU, today's Friday morning humour

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Master RSI - 09 Oct 2009 08:58 - 1028 of 5370

re- marni
re - do you think dealer and master are siamese twins?

Maybe the fathers know each other from the twilight zone

But I know a COW when I see one

Master RSI - 09 Oct 2009 09:08 - 1029 of 5370

The Goverment has said many times, they have no interest on taking over full control of the banks, and yet those financial journalist that have nothing to do but spread rumours and innuendos like there is no tomorrow, I suspect nothing to do like some on this thread...........

Lloyds and RBS still face nationalisation risk says Neil Woodford
By Daniel Grote | 07:32:30 | 09 October 2009

The threat of full nationalisation for RBS and Lloyds is not yet over, according to Neil Woodford, who has warned that the UK banking sector is still broken.

Woodford believes there is a 25 to 30 per cent chance the two banks could be brought under full state control in a bid to speed up their repair.

The difference between full nationalisation and where we are now is not that great. Its actually a decision about politics rather than economics, he said.

Nationalisation could provide a quicker recovery in certain circumstances. It may well be that ultimately politicians decide the political cost of not nationalising the banks is too high.

At what stage does the economy say, well hang on a minute, weve put all this money in and yet were still not getting any lending. Wheres the upside for the taxpayer?

Maybe a quicker resolution is full nationalisation, explicit good bank and bad bank, and then you at least have the possibility of being able to sell back to the market a cleaned up bank which is then able to lend to an economy that clearly is in need of credit. What is then retained on the nations balance sheet is the bad bank that is pretty much there anyway.

Woodford's, whose avoidance of banks helped insulate his investors from the worst of the credit crunch last year but has seen them miss much of the rally in 2009, argued that the UK was still in the midst of one hell of a banking crisis.

He pointed to the banking sector's need for gigantic amounts of further capital in order to resume lending.

Its only when you understand the scale of their balance sheets and the nature therefore of what losses might be embedded on those balance sheets that you can then quantify what I believe is their requirement for further capital, he said.

The reason that banks arent lending is of course because they are capital constrained. They know that they have large embedded losses actual losses and potential losses the majority of which they cannot afford to recognise.

This means that banks are failing to foreclose on businesses because they do not have the capital to sustain the losses they would be forced to recognize, and there is not a secondary market for the assets they would have to take on.

There is a widespread attempt to sustain businesses that in any other environment would be allowed to close, he said.

Its like what happened in Japan for so many years the culture of zombieism.

Speaking before reports that Lloyds was considering a 15 billion rights issue, which would be the largest ever seen in the UK, he said that banks would not be able to rely on the markets to raise the amounts needed to repair their balance sheets.

They may raise some money from the market but they wont be able to raise enough to make good their balance sheets, he said.

He said the UK was half way through the process of bank recapitalisation. After repairing balance sheets and building up capital to deal with the losses already embedded on balance sheets, banks would need further capital to deal with the tighter regulation that will emerge.

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