Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Just look at some of the detail of May's deal .. it's a lock-in forever..



https://brexitcentral.com/nasty-surprises-smallprint-theresa-mays-brexit-deal/

10100. I don't. Her head is still above water.

Gove sticks by her but that is to be expected of the back stabbing worm that he is - I expect he sees it as his best chance of being the next leader of the party but if he was and called an election - the British would I expect boot him into oblivion.

Yep I agree Maxk , there is no reason whatsoever for the EU to agree any kind of trade deal with us during the transition period as it would be better for them to just keep talking indefinitely.

Not only have the EU talked TM out of £39 billion of tax payers money but talked her out of keeping her promises to the Britsh Public intact. In the same way as she cost the party seat in the last election, she seems to think she knows best - no matter how far from reality that is.

you guys remind me of a golf club with 500 members, where 750 of them voice "expert" opinions on complex agronomical issues, when actually they don't have a clue

Manuel,

I agree with you, they should all listen to their Mammy or Nanny and "think" as she "thinks".


(I suppose she thinks rather than believes.)

i happen to think that deal obtained was probably about the best that could have been wrung out of eu
whether or not the referendum went "the wrong way" is irrelevant .... the result was as it was

Manuel,

Is that why when a general election is held and throws the occupying party out grabbing power it then can change or modify political policies which doesn't suit the moment.

UMH.
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When you take your medicine in the morning don't make a mistake.

You are not allowed to change your mind and cough it back up, even if somebody else notices and bothers to tell you.

A world without the chance to review decisions. UMMMM.

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By the way, how much has all the "toing and froing" by economically austerity conscious T. May and cohorts cost the UK public, by flying back and fro from Brussels and other places of tourist interest on the pretence of negotiating the Future of the UK.

She seems to have used a lot of fuel and contributed enough to climate warming and pollution and achieved little.

I wonder if she is looking for a "bolt hole" to spend her future in.

But she has the party behind her looking at their pay packets and perhaps in the case of Gove his goal of party leader.

cynic - you can think what you like but if your strong and confident you tell them not ask them. This is the deal or we do xyz - then back your words with deeds.
TM said No Deal is Better than a Bad Deal - so she now shows she is weak by not backing her words and accepting a Very Bad Deal and trying to sell it as though that is the best deal.

No Deal is the Best Deal.

Manuel,

PS. She could have stayed in the EU and modified the contracts we had rather than having to renegotiate everything again.

Bloooody daft.

No she couldn't Fred , staying in is not an option anyone has a mandate for.

Best option now is to leave with no deal , keep our money and get on with life.

The said "deal" with the "27" is little different to what the UK has with the EU at the moment, other than a seat at the table in any reviews of Rules, Regulations or Laws.

If this "policy" goes through then the general public of the UK as a whole will lose more than it gains.

The ones who will gain are already shorting the market.

But some of those little nationalists driving "Brexit" are probably doing that already.

The brexit bad news is out in the open Fred, unlike the staying in, in any other name bad news is not.

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When you take your medicine in the morning don't make a mistake.

You are not allowed to change your mind and cough it back up, even if somebody else notices and bothers to tell you.

A world without the chance to review decisions. UMMMM.
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At least we were given a choice, Major, Blair and Brown gave our sovereignty away without the people having a choice.

You don't lose your identity by joining a club.

Even as a superior member of the UK when you pass through its borders you are subjected to International Law.

If you don't like the rules negotiate and argue your case.

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I think you have forgotten Heath and Maggie and Churchill who were in favour forms of European "Councils".

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PS., I think Wilson was responsible for introducing the first referendum on Europe in Britain.

I can remember thinking that doing so was a good idea when I considered how they were used in Switzerland.

Thought they were possibly more representative of the opinions and wishes of a larger group of the people than those who turned out for normal elections.

Not so certain about them now.

I think the proposals and goals have to be defined clearly and may or may not be declared as advisory.


I think with a major decision like Brexit the "deal" should be put again to the people, especially when the last one was so ill-defined.

If it were put to the public and you got the same result or even a higher number of leavers - would remainers like you Fred be happy and accept the result?

UK's divorce from the EU is beginning to resemble a married couple divorcing..
1. Man (UK) wants a divorce
2. Wife (EU) says fine but only under following terms:
a. I want half the house
b. I want half of assets
c. I want half of money accumulated in pension fund
d. I want a generous annual maintenance settlement
e. You can have the cat but I am undecided as yet on the gold "fish"
f. You can forget about sleeping on the down stairs sofa let alone in "the old marital
bed"
Other than that it seems all pretty straight forward...