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Coffee Heaven - A heavenly share for penny punters ? (COH)     

overgrowth - 06 Oct 2003 22:47

underground01_2.jpgA busy day in the Warsaw Underground ! Not just another coffee shop chain - this one is a brand leader and is only trading in Eastern/Central Europe (i.e. the countries recently admitted to the EU destined for substantial business growth). The company is creating new outlets at a fair old pace and take a look at their website - these are quality stores in high-profile locations like major airports, railway stations etc. Website: http://www.coffeeheaven.eu.com

APRIL 2006 TRADING UPDATE!!! Total Gross Revenues for 12 months to 31st March up 66% to £6.3M (2005: £3.8M) Lots more info. on new markets and stores click here to read the full details. Stores: 43 (up from 32) stores currently trading (Poland: 30 (up from 23), Czech Republic: 6 (Up from 2), Latvia: 7 with a further 5 units under construction including Bulgaria and sites secured in Romania (subject contract). Bulgaria & Romania are seeking to join the EU from January 2007. Sites located in key high street, shopping malls or Airport locations. Company growth target: increase number of units by at least 20 units to some 63 units by 31 March 2007. Aim being to achieve this level of growth within present Cash resources.Cash balances at 31 March 2006 were approximately £2.9M (2005: £0.7M). Debt was nil (2005: £ 2.5M): Nil Debt! Positive EBITDA: For the year ending 31 March 2006, Group EBITDA expected to be firmly positive after charging UK and new market development costs but before exceptional costs relating to the cancellation of bonds (previous Debt). Forecasts: Based on present trading conditions and current exchange rates we anticipate indicative sales of £9.3M for the year to 31 March 2007. This includes indicative sales of £0.4M from Bulgaria, which will be reported but not consolidated. From Richard Worthington (Chairman and Chief Executive): ‘The new financial year has started well. There is no doubt that the significant economic improvement in our markets is feeding through to consumer confidence and spending. The strength of the coffeeheaven brand ensures we are ideally positioned to benefit from our customers' increasing prosperity.’

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proteus - 03 Jun 2007 18:08 - 1012 of 2037

So 10B,
You have no ability to make any estimates but you have the ability to forcast a future price. I can see therefore that you are indeed a fraud. I have given you every opportunity to produce some evidence to back up your claims.I can see that you do not have the ability to come up with a single reasoned argument.
No figures = no credablility.

David10B - 03 Jun 2007 18:33 - 1013 of 2037

No intrinsic asset backed value= no vaue full stop!


How many times do you need to hear that.

I can not, nor will not use your formula as its based in too many intagible projections and therefore flawed and so are companies that you apply it to.

Please now let us stop going around in circles.

proteus - 03 Jun 2007 18:43 - 1014 of 2037

Come up with a reasoned argument instead of waffle and we can move on.Until then all waffle= no credability.

proteus - 03 Jun 2007 19:00 - 1015 of 2037

Oh dear 10 B,

Caught out again.COH share price is 6.3* NTAV/Share.MLR is 12.5* so in relation to assets MLR would appear way overvalued by your kind of logic.

Now we can see you've been in BKE,so a quick check shows that they are only trading at 1.6* their NTAV,maybe you ought to buy back in following your own logic ?

David10B - 03 Jun 2007 20:18 - 1016 of 2037

Oh please come now, I am trying to treat you wiith civility but if you insist with the rubbish you will be SQUELSHED.

MLR became a completely new company on the Accorus takeover.

BKE? I think the recent posting on ADVFN somes that one up.

AdieH - 03 Jun 2007 20:19 - 1017 of 2037

He is a cretin, he is very dishonest, lies about attending AGM's, won't admit his agenda (he thinks he is some sort of prophet trying to warn unsuspecting PI's about RW and his evil agenda)... As I said get a bloody life and some friends... He never had any credability anyway the only thing he has got is too much time...

David10B - 03 Jun 2007 20:20 - 1018 of 2037

The reasoned debate is so simple yet you seem to ignore it.

COH HAS NO ASSET BACKED VALUE SO YOU CAN MANIPULATE THE FIGURES UNTIL THE COWS COME HOME.

OR BETTER STILL LET ME ASK YOU THIS--KINDLY GIVE ME THE COH TANGIBLE ASSETS PER SHARE AS YOU SEE THEM?

David10B - 03 Jun 2007 20:25 - 1019 of 2037

Hello Adieh

We did if fact speak at one AGM!

You were the little man from Bristol I believe, the one who thought he had bigger shoulders than he did,and kept sucking up to RW.

cynic - 03 Jun 2007 20:34 - 1020 of 2037

purely from a chart point of view, i would suggest no one should buy until sp breaks and holds through about 38 where there is a very nasty resistance with convergence of 25 and 200 dma ...... in fact, there is a further resistance at about 41 at 50 dma ...... all in all - yuk!

David10B - 03 Jun 2007 20:41 - 1021 of 2037

what about the downside pressure cynic?

cynic - 03 Jun 2007 20:50 - 1022 of 2037

don't know and don't care - sorry!
personally, i don't think there is room in the market for these tiddlers unless they can create a real quality niche for themselves as did Costa.
expanding into 3rd world markets like Bulgaria smells to me of desperation and is generally far too risky when the company does not even have a strong and profitable home base.

proteus - 03 Jun 2007 20:50 - 1023 of 2037

Now ,now keep your composure,no need to get cross when you can't construct a reasonable defence.If you were able to calculate you could get the NTAV from my figures.I know this is difficult for you to understand so I'll give you the answer,6.24p / share.
O/T, could go over to the MLR board to pull your logic apart but I have no interest in that share so if your misguided analysis confuses people on that board so be it.

David10B - 03 Jun 2007 20:53 - 1024 of 2037

very well put and if it pleases you thats fine, as I really have no interest in valuation theories that do not consider intrinsic values, sorry and good night.

David10B - 03 Jun 2007 20:55 - 1025 of 2037

PS

Please go to the MLR page and start pulling.

proteus - 03 Jun 2007 20:57 - 1026 of 2037

No interest in valuations - sums up your guessing approach then.

cynic - 03 Jun 2007 21:10 - 1027 of 2037

for goodness sake stop the handbag slinging .... it's pathetic .... just grow up the pair of you .... you are both dull dull dull dull

proteus - 03 Jun 2007 22:09 - 1028 of 2037

Cynic,

When you have something to discuss, I'm happy to debate it with you,maybe agree maybe disagree. So far you have just said you're not interested,it's going to be worthless etc.If you are not interested and think it's worthless what are you doing here.I have provided sales projections,gross margin projections with explanations of my calculations,you have contributed very little.What is your interest in being on this board ?

trigger45 - 04 Jun 2007 06:57 - 1029 of 2037

Now forgive me for adding to a thread that has become a joke, but one thing concerns me.

I don't agree with David10B views but it's good to have negative views on the shares you own to keep the balance but.....

Sir I dont know what it takes to get the very simple message over to you.

I am not, nor never have been a BKE shareholder.

I would not touch or recommened any listed company that Richard Worthington is involved in.

I trust that is now clear and we can move forward,


Hello Adieh

We did if fact speak at one AGM!

You were the little man from Bristol I believe, the one who thought he had bigger shoulders than he did,and kept sucking up to RW.

Why on earth attend the AGM?

It just doesn't add up and on that point alone you can't possibly hold any credibilty on here with your views.

cynic - 04 Jun 2007 07:55 - 1030 of 2037

proteus .... read posts 1020 and 1022 ..... as to why i post here; because i choose to ..... and post 1027 applies to you and 10B in spades!

David10B - 04 Jun 2007 07:58 - 1031 of 2037

Good morning merry men one and all.

TRIGGER 45 FEW THINGS IN LIFE ADD UP AND LOTS OF THINGS CONCERN ME TOO. I WAS ONCE A MEMBER OF A SHARE CYNDICATE, AND THAT IS WHY I ENDED UP IN SOME OBSCURE MANSION TYPE B&B FOR A AGM
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