Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

See Musical Chairs has started again.

Musical Chairs - I doubt it, as she will have trouble getting anyone to sit down for longer than it takes to get to Belfast, let alone someone trying to sit on someones lap.

Those taking jobs may find they have the shortest tenure ever.

markets are closing remarkably sanguine after dropping quite sharply at one stage

perception is that TM will win any vote of no confidence, and also that the deal she got, while perhaps being something of a dog's dinner, is at least as good for the country as anyone else could have achieved ..... corbyn just blathers, blows around with the breeze and has had nothing constructive to propose that would remotely have been accepted by eu

From 10127
'is at least as good for the country as anyone else could have achieved'.

What keeping us in the customs union indefinitely.

it depends how much of a zealot of either side you are

hard brexit would be awful for business, that's for sure, so what would be your magic formula that would be potentially acceptable to eu and also carry the country?

The 1st Informed referendum...how many more times?

The so called red lines in TM's Mansion House speech with the possibility of a slight softening in certain areas, but absolutely not the customs union.

I'll just add that I regard myself as a moderate Leaver, if you look back at my posts I have never said it would be easy for those who had to negotiate on our behalf or indeed without problems for the people.

The whole point of Brexit for me was to take control of our own trade with the rest of the world including the EU. I also believe that we cannot trade with the EU on the same terms as those countries within the EU.

Also to be able to control our borders and be subject to the Laws of the Land, our land.

"The whole point of Brexit for me was to take control of our own trade with the rest of the world including the EU. I also believe that we cannot trade with the EU on the same terms as those countries within the EU."

Which means that the UK will have to pay a tax on the deals to support the organisation and administration necessary for the running of the remaining Union.

Nothing is for nothing.

A good deal? You must be joking, and now they want more.



EU to seek more Brexit concessions on fishing and tax to stop UK gaining any competitive advantage


By James Crisp, Brussels Correspondent
16 November 2018 • 4:27pm



European Union governments will try to railroad Britain into a permanent customs union and extract more UK concessions in fishing, heaping yet more pressure on an embattled Theresa May.

The EU-27 is looking to hard-wire British commitments on fishing, tax, the environment, social standards, security, transport and foreign policy into the negotiating boundaries of the future UK-EU trade agreement.

EU-27 governments are seeking “dynamic alignment” on those standards to ensure they keep up with Brussels over time, ensuring the UK is shackled to its red tape and preventing it from being more competitive than the bloc.


More: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/11/16/eu-seek-brexit-concessions-fishing-tax-stop-uk-gaining-competitive/

Just spoke to a couple of guys in my local , Fred laughed before the referendum when I said the same and couldn't understand why remain was nailed on to win and all those I spoke to were voting leave including the youngsters except one. Better than any poll Fred , get dressed and get out and speak to real people.

First guy confirmed what I already knew which is Mazzarati are now placing big orders in the UK due to exchange rates , long term , and big money is being spent on new machinery to meet these orders.

Second guy , came in half hour late due to the company he works for just sealing a big deal with a just in time manufacturer and having to agree new staffing levels for when the orders kick in.

They are doing this regardless of us getting a deal or no deal so my best guess is that no one outside the UK really gives a shite about Brexit so let's just leave and get on with things.

The just in time argument is just as imaginary as the Irish border problem unless your a remoaner.

JIT is nothing like they portray on the news anyway.

Amber Rudd ... geez getting desperate , needs friends.

My gut feel is TM will get this deal to parliament. How it goes from there hmmm

Dil,

Have a look at the projected turnovers and profits of companies in the Ftse 350.

Seems to me that they don't have the same confidence about Brexit as you do.

Also, look at the number of large companies "bolstering" their share price by buybacks rather than employing the "Cash" for R and D.

Seems the lack confidence in the glorious future you advocate.

I think we should merely give 'No Deal' a re-name and then we could all be much more enthusiastic about it

How about SUICIDE.

The term, "No Deal" has disaster written all over it. Blatantly, it even conjures up the feelings of "Suicide" for Fred.

I'm thinking maybe we go out with a "Complete Break".

This name conjures up the potential for a new start with new opportunities and with a complete break from all the negatives of the EU - which negatives are why lots of us wanted to leave the EU in the first place.

We could all of us start getting really enthusiastic about a "Complete Break", don't you think?

A bit like ploughing up an Orchard or Vineyard at the end of December as the trees have no fruit or berries on them and attempting to replace with a profitable cropping business with weeds and hoping to find a profitable stock which can graze on it for free.


Based on short-term hopes dreamt about in comics.

Mind there will be some barrow boys making a "kill" out of flogging the "dreams" before they move on to other pastures.

Has Farage moved to Donald Trump land yet?

cynic , why is no deal bad for business exactly ?