Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Fred sent me this picture of him .

I was referring relatively to Naples which I believe is true.

jimmy - x post .... i wrote it before you posted the pic

Capri and Sorrento are magnificent....Vesuvius is worth a visit and what about Pompei and Heracleum ?.....and pizza, gelati/icecream and Italian food in general....Naples is underestimated !....

i remember going to pompeii about 50 years ago ...... it was unbelievably hot! ..... i still have 35mm slides somewhere :-)

it still does not alter the fact that naples is a shithole
i don't go out to eat pizza, or only very rarely, and i thought the restaurants below par

The pro eu media and the establishment are potraying the eu referendum
debate as being between the pro-eu Tory's and the rest of the pro-eu
establisment parties, against the Tory anti-eu'rs...

There'l need to be a time when Nigel Farage and the rest of
the anti-eu side WILL have to come to the front and start getting
the message out LOUD and clear what the cost and repercussions
that WILL happen if we stay in that organisation..

At the moment the pro eu media are quite happy to go along
with the stituation as it is, because they know that Nigel Farage
will make it more plainer and to the point which the pro eu media don't want...

Whats Milan like bit ponsy I hear? not been but have a chance to meet-up with people in the summer.. in fact although I like Football and Pizza I have as yet never been to Italy.

When considering Europe only, the best reasonably priced restaurants are in London in my opinion. That goes for every type of food available. You really don't have to do a lot of searching to find a nice place.

Italy is a very nice place. I wouldn't mind doing the tour that Rob Brydon and Steve Coogan did a couple of years back. The great scenery and history helps to make even the meals enjoyable most of the time. I will go back to Rome time after time, but not for the food. Just walk around, get hungry, then anything tastes almost ok.

venice out of season is well worth a visit
in particular, i would recommend a private guided walking tour of the bits of the city you want to see

I have been considering Venice for a long time. Just not go to it. Is it like Rome, too hot in the summer? I prefer to go to Italy in late September/October.

venice is just hot and smelly and too full of tourists in the summer
we last went in april/may though the spring tides can then flood st marks square which makes for some jollity ...... shoes off, roll up the trousers and start wading!

I've been to Venice many times, and the islands of Murano,
Burano and the others are idylic..Love it, in fact if Italy
wasn't in the EU i'd live there..

Another embarrassment for Osborne as he misses by £1.8Bn the borrowing target set only last month.
How can we seriously take his figures projected 15 years forward that each household will be worse off by £4300 after we leave the EU? Claptrap. Of course the objective was to scare the uninformed by giving a headline figure that many would assume was accurate and would certainly affect their households almost immediately.

No different from what most of the "Con" Party/Government have been saying over many many years on a variety of subjects.

So why would anyone be surprised at this attempt?

Unfortunately it cuts both ways. Remember that dope Byrne's letter that there is no money left? I don't remember Brown saying anything about that before the election. No boom and bust under the him, or so he said. No money left, including gold reserves sold at the bottom of the market. What a prat.

Yes while the rest of us have to live with the results of
their incompetence and bad judgement's and personnel ideologies....


"No different from what most of the 'Con' Party/Government have been saying"

Yes that's because Osborne is a Tory, so his claim of getting borrowing
under control has been a Tory policy...A failed one..

And so to spuriously claim that households will be worse off by an
certain amount of money in 14 years in the future, to justisfy staying in
a corrupt, undemocratic entity is a blatant lie...

What you fail to grasp or admit is that "Con" servative policies actioned by whatever Government over the last 36 years at least have led to deep recessions.

Easier and dishonest to try blame someone else.

so any decisions that were poor with hindsight, made by whatever flavour of gov't, you choose to lay at the door of the conservatives
that's interesting logic even for you

Not interesting at all Alf.. just a matter of evidential history.