Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Even Mark Carney is back at it warning about all the risks as he sees them, as he did when he was trying to do Britian down and support the Remainers with all his doom and gloom, along with the former President of the USA - look how quickly the Pound recovered and business boomed, making him look as daft as brush.

He needs to go as well as TM.

the following is worth reading, if only to get confirmation of labour's strong stance and what it would do about the brexit negotiations were it in power .....

Labour's Shami Chakrabarti Left Stunned After Bruising Interview With Andrew Marr

Labour’s Shadow Attorney General was left almost dumbstruck after a heated interview Andrew Marr on Sunday morning.

Shami Chakrabarti was being grilled by the BBC presenter over Labour’s stance on Brexit after a tumultuous week for Theresa May and the Conservatives.

Marr pushed on the point that Labour’s manifesto states it respects the result of the Brexit referendum rather than primarily pushing for a second vote.

Chakrabarti held her ground, insisting as a democrat her stance was a reflection of the original referendum.


MARR: “I don’t understand why you want to leave the EU.”

Chakrabarti: “I don’t want to leave the EU, I campaigned to Remain. I’m a democrat.”

MARR: “But you’re going to go through a General Election campaign as a member of a party whose manifesto says ‘we are leaving the EU’.”

Chakrabarti: “I’m a democrat, I don’t know about you Andrew, but I’m a democrat.”

MARR: “Don’t try and patronise me, I’m as much a democrat as you are.”

Chakrabarti: “I certainly wouldn’t try to patronise you and I’m sure you would never try to patronise me.”

Chakrabarti insisted the draft Brexit deal presented to the Commons this week by the PM could be renegotiated but struggled to say what Labour would do differently.

Shadow said it was “the worst kind of bureaucratic fudge that doesn’t deliver for anyone” and had been “designed to look as if it can please everybody and it can’t” .

She said if Labour was in charge, a “completely different atmosphere” would allow for progress to be made, particularly on workers’ rights and environmental protections.

Earlier on Sunday morning, Jeremy Corbyn poured cold water over calls for Labour to back a second referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU, saying it is “an option for the future” but “not an option for today”.

He also revealed that if there was another referendum he does not know how he would vote.

Labour has said it will vote down May’s deal and then push for a general election. If they fail to secure one “all options remain on the table”, including a second referendum.

Does anybody think the market is trying to send to Theresa and her Brexiteers, or Bandits a message?

Yes Fred - The market is saying - please have a clean break from the EU so we can slash prices, cause panic, then in a few days - ramp up the stock prices having made a bundle in between, as we all know Britian will come up smelling of Roses in time for Christmas. :-)

try as you might fred, the real answer is that by and large, FTSE and DAX follow Wall Street

it is also worth noting that eurozone growth (or lack of) is faring no better than uk
why would that be fred?

i also find it quite amusing that you have made no comment on the content of the transcript above
surely it's nothing to do with the clear disclosure that corbyn and his motley crew (equally) have no idea what to do about brexit, and certainly are incapable of holding a single clear line on it?

I would think Corbyn is waiting for TM. RM and cohorts to completely sink your boat.

Might be the last tory neo-con government for 20years.

hence his indecision?
i think not

when he first acquired the leadership, i though him to be strong and principled
it has not taken long to find out that he is nothing but a limp lettuce across the board


his total disrespect shown on remembrance sunday was disgraceful, but that is another matter, though despicable for all that

I suggest you read your earlier postings about Corbyn, as your memory seems to be failing you.

Also, it often seems to me that packaging for you is more valuable than content.

it seems to me that corbyn has no content

And Fred's following his leader..

..Unlike the "Con"artists ho ho.

Stan,

Their boat is sinking.

All the hoped for is lost.

And the Nanny has failed them.

What a crying shame Fred..how will we get over it 😢😂

Fred & Stan - Congratulations may you forever be happy together.

Morning sarky.

CT reminds me of the guy who used to be on here and ultimately got banned .... i think he emigrated to majorca or at least spent much time there

Are you thinking of Tanker?

quite so .... thank you

No, Tanker was much more eloquent. Ever thought of Majorca Stan? Must be better than Burnley, particularly at this time of the year.
Apropos nada, what has CT done to ruffle your feathers C?

nothing actually .... it's just that imvho, he's a total arsehole, and thus the similarity