Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

No, Tanker was much more eloquent. Ever thought of Majorca Stan? Must be better than Burnley, particularly at this time of the year.
Apropos nada, what has CT done to ruffle your feathers C?

nothing actually .... it's just that imvho, he's a total arsehole, and thus the similarity

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In case you hadn't yet seen it......

Satisfaction for some of the neo-cons.

This is how the Prime Minister and the cabinet expect to get the government’s divisive Brexit plan through parliament:

There is a self-evident truth, that MPs will reject the deal when given their “meaningful vote” on it.

But then MPs would then stare into the “abyss”, recognising that a "No-Deal Brexit" would be a disaster and another Referendum too risky, and would then approve the deal – perhaps slightly modified – when brought back to them a second time.

The situation would undoubtedly then go into "TARP" model mode.

(TARP was the US scheme to bail out bust banks after the Crash in 2008. It was initially rejected by Congress, which caused the stock market to collapse. At that point Senators and members of the House of Representatives panicked and voted through a modified version of the scheme)

So what May is pretty sure about, is that if MPs were to reject her Brexit plan, the Stock Market and Sterling (most definitely) would tank. Such a thing as this would so scare Tory rebel MPs (May and the Cabinet are pretty sure about) that they would at that juncture be persuaded to recant and back May’s deal.

If a Brexit deal that a majority of MPs currently reject as being an affront to the UK’s right to democratic self-determination were then passed because of fear that otherwise the country would be punished by international investors, by big capital, this would be rich and fertile territory for extremists and populists to exploit.

The House of Commons would lose all credibility, as importantly, would the 'Government of the Day' for letting the situation happen.

This is all very dangerous and there might then be riots and even blood on the streets.

There again, it surely is a very unhealthy situation for the confidence in our democracy, when people realise after the event, that what many see as a degraded Brexit was adopted merely because our MPs panicked in the face of a market rout.

If that is the case E/L the public will never forgive the Government and will vote accordingly. Hence a new Government in due course.

NO DEAL
for those like me who may not have grasped what "no deal" actually means, may i commend to you
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/no-deal-brexit-what-meaning-uk-leave-uk-consequences/

"But then MPs would then stare into the “abyss”, recognising that a "No-Deal Brexit" would be a disaster and another Referendum too risky, and would then approve the deal – perhaps slightly modified – when brought back to them a second time."

Alternatively, MP's put their egos aside for once and vote down the deal, there's a successful vote of no-confidence in the government, followed by a general election. During that time, an extension of Article 50 is obtained. Corbyn makes it the central part of Labour's election manifesto to hold a second referendum, he sweeps to power, the second referendum overwhelming votes to remain, the UK never leave the EU, Nigel Farage goes back to selling dodgy used cars, and Moggy sells his hedge fund to open a chain of funeral parlours.

Corbyn makes it the central part of Labour's election manifesto to hold a second referendum

hahaha!
corbyn can't even decide which of his hotpotch of statements about brexit he even half believes in ...... mummy mccluskey has yet to spoon-feed him

"This is all very dangerous and there might then be riots and even blood on the streets."


I would settle for a little Tarmac to fill in some of the holes in the roads around here.
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Chérie, Parfait.

It is known as the slow game or letting her drown in the mess she has made.

Remind me again, Cyners, why Corbyn has found it necessary to show his hand thus far.

to show leadership
whoops! i forgot that was a skill he patently lacks

That was said about Attlee.

His government in the same sort of confusion and economic mess created by Osborne, Cameron and May mismanagement was very effective.

Some even thought it saved Britain from a form "revolution".

(Like all governments it made some mistakes.)

is that the last time labour had a decent leader?
he was of course a product of the public school system :-)

anyway, attlee is well before my memory as he was last pm in 1951!

Fred was in his heyday then. It's been downhill for him ever since.
Jim Callaghan was decent. Not particularly good, but decent. The unions and their winter of discontent did for him. Another case of biting off the hand that couldn't feed you enough.

Lets just hope the EU members tear up the agreement before TM brings it back having given the Spanish what they want and the French and all, the fishing rights in UK waters plus anything else they may think TM will fall for.

Only 128 days to go now to the Country's first "Informed" referendum.

Im not sure how many days to go before we have to have an election.

But when we do, the tories are toast. All Jezza has to do is let May get on with the betrayal, and he's home and dry.

Nice plan Hils but slightly flawed.

Corbyn wants to leave the EU.

Owain Smith stood for leader with that plan and got stuffed.

We are leaving before the next election.



128 days til Stan's nightmare comes true.