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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

cynic - 21 Nov 2018 15:18 - 10196 of 12628

NO DEAL
for those like me who may not have grasped what "no deal" actually means, may i commend to you
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/no-deal-brexit-what-meaning-uk-leave-uk-consequences/

Cerise Noire Girl - 21 Nov 2018 15:20 - 10197 of 12628

"But then MPs would then stare into the “abyss”, recognising that a "No-Deal Brexit" would be a disaster and another Referendum too risky, and would then approve the deal – perhaps slightly modified – when brought back to them a second time."

Alternatively, MP's put their egos aside for once and vote down the deal, there's a successful vote of no-confidence in the government, followed by a general election. During that time, an extension of Article 50 is obtained. Corbyn makes it the central part of Labour's election manifesto to hold a second referendum, he sweeps to power, the second referendum overwhelming votes to remain, the UK never leave the EU, Nigel Farage goes back to selling dodgy used cars, and Moggy sells his hedge fund to open a chain of funeral parlours.

cynic - 21 Nov 2018 15:30 - 10198 of 12628

Corbyn makes it the central part of Labour's election manifesto to hold a second referendum

hahaha!
corbyn can't even decide which of his hotpotch of statements about brexit he even half believes in ...... mummy mccluskey has yet to spoon-feed him

Fred1new - 21 Nov 2018 16:03 - 10199 of 12628

"This is all very dangerous and there might then be riots and even blood on the streets."


I would settle for a little Tarmac to fill in some of the holes in the roads around here.
-=-=

Chérie, Parfait.

It is known as the slow game or letting her drown in the mess she has made.

Cerise Noire Girl - 21 Nov 2018 16:14 - 10200 of 12628

Remind me again, Cyners, why Corbyn has found it necessary to show his hand thus far.

cynic - 21 Nov 2018 16:21 - 10201 of 12628

to show leadership
whoops! i forgot that was a skill he patently lacks

Fred1new - 21 Nov 2018 17:00 - 10202 of 12628

That was said about Attlee.

His government in the same sort of confusion and economic mess created by Osborne, Cameron and May mismanagement was very effective.

Some even thought it saved Britain from a form "revolution".

(Like all governments it made some mistakes.)

cynic - 21 Nov 2018 17:23 - 10203 of 12628

is that the last time labour had a decent leader?
he was of course a product of the public school system :-)

anyway, attlee is well before my memory as he was last pm in 1951!

iturama - 21 Nov 2018 18:21 - 10204 of 12628

Fred was in his heyday then. It's been downhill for him ever since.
Jim Callaghan was decent. Not particularly good, but decent. The unions and their winter of discontent did for him. Another case of biting off the hand that couldn't feed you enough.

Clocktower - 21 Nov 2018 18:24 - 10205 of 12628

Lets just hope the EU members tear up the agreement before TM brings it back having given the Spanish what they want and the French and all, the fishing rights in UK waters plus anything else they may think TM will fall for.

Stan - 21 Nov 2018 18:45 - 10206 of 12628

Only 128 days to go now to the Country's first "Informed" referendum.

MaxK - 21 Nov 2018 19:22 - 10207 of 12628

Im not sure how many days to go before we have to have an election.

But when we do, the tories are toast. All Jezza has to do is let May get on with the betrayal, and he's home and dry.

Dil - 21 Nov 2018 20:53 - 10208 of 12628

Nice plan Hils but slightly flawed.

Corbyn wants to leave the EU.

Owain Smith stood for leader with that plan and got stuffed.

We are leaving before the next election.



128 days til Stan's nightmare comes true.

ExecLine - 21 Nov 2018 21:17 - 10209 of 12628

Brexit talks between Theresa May and Jean-Claude Juncker will resume on Saturday, after they failed to reach a deal.

Cerise Noire Girl - 22 Nov 2018 07:07 - 10210 of 12628

The only thing Corbyn wants, Dilbert, is to be PM. He'll say whatever the public want hear when the time's right.

Kinda like BoJo, doncha think?

Dil - 22 Nov 2018 10:50 - 10211 of 12628

Bojo will never be PM and hopefully nor will Corby.

cynic - 22 Nov 2018 11:02 - 10212 of 12628

bojo will not even or ever lead the tory party ..... what a waste of a fine brain he is

Clocktower - 22 Nov 2018 11:07 - 10213 of 12628

So they have agreed a draft trade policy - that is nothing more than waffle.

As you say MaxK - the tories will be toast at the next election if they vote this through - even left wing tories will vote UKIP I expect.

ExecLine - 22 Nov 2018 11:08 - 10214 of 12628

Agreed about Bojo. Pity, really.

His brother, Jo, is a different kettle of fish with better discipline and he's even better educated.

ExecLine - 22 Nov 2018 11:11 - 10215 of 12628

The Brexit deal is DONE: PM seals trade terms including vows that the UK WILL be able to strike trade deals around world and exit Irish border backstop - but must accept rules on environment and workers.

More at: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6417299/EU-turns-Spain-Gibraltar-threats-faces-48-hour-dash-finalise-deal.html
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