Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

That was said about Attlee.

His government in the same sort of confusion and economic mess created by Osborne, Cameron and May mismanagement was very effective.

Some even thought it saved Britain from a form "revolution".

(Like all governments it made some mistakes.)

is that the last time labour had a decent leader?
he was of course a product of the public school system :-)

anyway, attlee is well before my memory as he was last pm in 1951!

Fred was in his heyday then. It's been downhill for him ever since.
Jim Callaghan was decent. Not particularly good, but decent. The unions and their winter of discontent did for him. Another case of biting off the hand that couldn't feed you enough.

Lets just hope the EU members tear up the agreement before TM brings it back having given the Spanish what they want and the French and all, the fishing rights in UK waters plus anything else they may think TM will fall for.

Only 128 days to go now to the Country's first "Informed" referendum.

Im not sure how many days to go before we have to have an election.

But when we do, the tories are toast. All Jezza has to do is let May get on with the betrayal, and he's home and dry.

Nice plan Hils but slightly flawed.

Corbyn wants to leave the EU.

Owain Smith stood for leader with that plan and got stuffed.

We are leaving before the next election.



128 days til Stan's nightmare comes true.

Brexit talks between Theresa May and Jean-Claude Juncker will resume on Saturday, after they failed to reach a deal.

The only thing Corbyn wants, Dilbert, is to be PM. He'll say whatever the public want hear when the time's right.

Kinda like BoJo, doncha think?

Bojo will never be PM and hopefully nor will Corby.

bojo will not even or ever lead the tory party ..... what a waste of a fine brain he is

So they have agreed a draft trade policy - that is nothing more than waffle.

As you say MaxK - the tories will be toast at the next election if they vote this through - even left wing tories will vote UKIP I expect.

Agreed about Bojo. Pity, really.

His brother, Jo, is a different kettle of fish with better discipline and he's even better educated.

The Brexit deal is DONE: PM seals trade terms including vows that the UK WILL be able to strike trade deals around world and exit Irish border backstop - but must accept rules on environment and workers.

More at: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6417299/EU-turns-Spain-Gibraltar-threats-faces-48-hour-dash-finalise-deal.html

Theresa May is set to make a statement to the House of Commons on Brexit after the UK's future relationship with the EU was agreed "in principle".

The Prime Minister is reaching a crucial stage in attempting to persuade MPs to push her draft deal through Parliament amid fierce opposition from both Brexiteers and Remainers.

Her Commons statement comes after European Council council president Donald Tusk said the future relationship between the UK and the EU has been "agreed in principle" following Mrs May's visit to Brussels on Wednesday.

The Prime Minister is set to address the Commons at 2.30pm, today, Thursday, 22nd November, 2018.

And with a single bound she was .....

Be interesting to see what the trots and “bastards” in the Tory party make of that.

W/S

i am sure that 85%+ of the population is now bored rigid with this brexit fandango and would just like the deal done

Do you call being taken prisoner by the EU a deal cynic? It maybe one your happy with but one that any right thinking cynic would question would be in the best interest of all Uk residents.

personally i am perfectly happy to accept what has been tabled, and would equally have accepted had the referendum been to remain

is it in the best interests of the country at large?
given the result of the referendum, it looks to me that a pretty good compromise has been reached .... whatever the rabids may think, a compromise was always inevitable

if you don't like it that much, then feel free to emigrate - to venezuela perhaps