Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

IT - as i trust you now speak fluent portuguese, perhaps you could apply for a dual passport :-)

Oh well M I live in hope.

I see the Spanish are sounding off about Gibraltar again. Doesn't bode well for future trade deal which any of the 27 can veto.

Just out of interest does anyone know if there's a breakdown anywhere of what exactly we are paying 39 billion for ?

I'm sure most people thought that when it was agreed that it was tied to a satisfactory trade deal and not just for the privilege of leaving the EU.

We could have left with no deal 6 months after the vote and would have been in a better position today than we currently find ourselves in.

DIL - you may be right, but i recommend you read up what "no deal" actually implies and involves ...... i think it may surprise you
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/no-deal-brexit-what-meaning-uk-leave-uk-consequences/

Cynic , what no deal means or implies will be as different as chalk and cheese depending on who you listen too.

A bit like Cammy and Osbourne's view of what a no vote would mean compared to say JRM and Boris.

It really won't mean no food , no medicine no flights etc although I'm not saying there won't be some short term problems but imo they will mostly be administrative.

Plus if we give 3 months notice of our intention then I'm sure plenty of compromise mini deals could be done if both parties wanted.

It mentions that foreign business would move to the EU to alleviate shortages of components, I've read that EU companies would move to the UK to continue selling their wares here.

Dil is right, any view given has to be assessed on whether the person is a Brexiteer or a Remainer.

dil - read the link i posted!

– Between 2010 – 2015 the United Kingdom created more jobs than the whole of the European Union.
– In 2014 Birmingham alone created more jobs than all of France.

Theresa May read geography and obtained a second class BA degree -now its clear that the UK has a second class PM that would do well to read history. As Home Secretary TM praised the actions of the police in controlling demonstartations about education fees - well before long she may wish she had Boris`s Water Cannons as there could be riots before the fat lady sings.

Hey Tory boys and girls the lovely Teresa is on R5 live now, give her a call and tell her how you feel about "you know what"... come on now you all have plenty to say on this thread.

I thought she was going into exile.

Stan the BBC will not take any serious questions from the Tory Leavers.

TM on Radio 5:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-46314795/pm-theresa-may-answers-your-questions

Unlike Trump she just diverts the questions but does not answer in an honest way or be blunt like Trump and make it clear he will not answer. Waffle pure Waffle.

On Radio 5 Theresa May keeps referring to people who "wish to frustrate Brexit and don't want to leave the EU".

She seem to me to infer, these "trouble-makers" are the likes of JRM, BJ, etc.

Wrong!

They are frustrating the present deal as outlined by TM because they just don't like her 'deal in its present form'. JRM, BJ and the like really, really, really DO want to leave.

Radio 5

13:00 TM's broadcast has now ended - now BBC News

Never mind the excuses just phone her up...after all you lot voted for her.

Well well a chance missed you Tories are so slow on the uptake these days...apart from all your other numerous defects that is.

Two words that all politicians seem not to want to ever use - Yes and No

iturama - 23 Nov 2018 10:42 - 10258 of 10277

My father was a miner who due to the benevolence of the pit owner started to work underground at the age of 12.

His father also a miner died at the age of 36, partially due to working and "social" conditions, when my father was six years old.

In my period of "bumming around", I worked for short periods on the surface and underground on a pit as well as in other heavy industries.

Unlike some, I didn't hire my rear end off to "enable" myself.

I suggest, when you reflect on what you claim to have done improved the "social conditions" of those employed by you when you were in Brazil, question who made the greatest gain and how were the profits distributed.

Were they proportionate to the risks being taken by all in the development?

I am afraid it still appears as when you were dividing sweets as a kid, it may have been "one for them and two for you".

A bit like the attitude of T.May and cronies are using when said to be attempting to deal or negotiate with the EU.

I suggest some of the tory negotiators would benefit from a course or two in linguistics. It may help with the language they are using.