Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Two words that all politicians seem not to want to ever use - Yes and No

iturama - 23 Nov 2018 10:42 - 10258 of 10277

My father was a miner who due to the benevolence of the pit owner started to work underground at the age of 12.

His father also a miner died at the age of 36, partially due to working and "social" conditions, when my father was six years old.

In my period of "bumming around", I worked for short periods on the surface and underground on a pit as well as in other heavy industries.

Unlike some, I didn't hire my rear end off to "enable" myself.

I suggest, when you reflect on what you claim to have done improved the "social conditions" of those employed by you when you were in Brazil, question who made the greatest gain and how were the profits distributed.

Were they proportionate to the risks being taken by all in the development?

I am afraid it still appears as when you were dividing sweets as a kid, it may have been "one for them and two for you".

A bit like the attitude of T.May and cronies are using when said to be attempting to deal or negotiate with the EU.

I suggest some of the tory negotiators would benefit from a course or two in linguistics. It may help with the language they are using.

i don't know if fred is obese as well, but it must be really tough walking around with that big bag of logs on his shoulder - or is it slack nicked from the slag heap late at night?

Show some respect for Fred cynic - his views may not be in alignment with yours but to suggest he is a theif beggars belief from the likes of yourself.

why should i?
i have no objection to what views he holds, but i certainly get very bored with him harking back to having to go to school without clogs and belittling everyone else

btw, i was calling him a thief exactly .... it was common and accepted practice back in those good old days, as was nicking small coal from beside the rail tracks

"why should I?" oh Alf stop behaving like a spoilt child and have some respect for once in your existence.

why?
fred shows no respect for others, and he needs to earn it, not be given it like some spoilt child


as they say
if you can't take it (but fred is perfectly capable of looking after himself), then don't dish it

Stan,

You can see why Manuel failed as a waiter!

never did learn proper silver service, especially for mashed potato and similar :-)

Was the silver nicked?

...Oh just a bit Fred 😀

Reply to post 10284.

who bothers to nick restaurant plate?

It was probably off the plate.

Do they have plates in Cynagogues?

not in the greek ones ....... they smashed the remainder last saturday night

That is probably orthodox for them.

certainly customary, especially when celebrating yet another rocket attack on hamas

Just to save washing up but when will the next election be if TM fails to get her best deal passed?

No other deal on the table she suggests - seems to have forgotten NO Deal is better than a bad deal that she banged on about for some time.

technically not until 2022, but

there are two provisions that trigger an election other than at five year intervals:

a motion of no confidence is passed in Her Majesty's Government by a simple majority and 14 days elapses without the House passing a confidence motion in any new Government formed

a motion for a general election is agreed by two thirds of the total number of seats in the Commons including vacant seats (currently 434 out of 650)

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having read up on what actually happens with "no deal", that really would be an awful result, and indeed parliament across the board knows and accepts that

From this weeks Moneyweek

In a no-deal situation, we would have no incentive at all to put up unnecessary import barriers – and it is hard to see how even the most bonkers members of the EU system would want to block exports to the UK (it would be an entirely unnecessary act of aggression).
World Trade Organisation (WTO) “most favoured nation” rules oblige members not to discriminate between trading partners. But they also allow exemptions for national security reasons. Short-term, that would surely cover food and medicine: our borders should be able to stay open, tariff-free, to EU goods. So talk of extreme shortages of medicine seems pretty silly.

On the export side, there would be added costs (import, export and transit documents for starters), but EU lorries that have entered the UK (85% of lorries leaving the UK for the EU are non-UK ones) must get home – and it is hardly in the interests of any EU nation to strand its own fleet in Kent for weeks. So, as John suggests, it seems likely that any chaos would be reasonably short-lived.
Read the whole of this article on the MoneyWeek website.

Bit like I've said all along George , any chaos at the ports would hit EU companies harder than UK companies so would be sorted within weeks for the sake of the EU not us.