Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Nice one Exec I can go along with that and would like to add Boris as Brexit minister so that he can be the one to tell the EU to get stuffed.

M , stop banging your head against a brick wall it's not worth it ... Fred's always right.

Roll on that much needed "Informed" referendum.. if only to shut the Tories up on here 😁

Be careful boys, your nanny is watching you.

fred - what i wrote was "for myself, and quite probably the majority of the country, i think a second referendum would be an appalling choice, though i understand the argument proposing this"

i did not ask nor even expect you to agree with me, any more than i would ever expect you to give credit to TM

Now for the tricky bit

The question for all on this site is how we going to trade this situation.

Buy Sell or hide behind the sofa?

EU leaders agree UK's Brexit deal at Brussels summit

EU leaders have approved an agreement on the UK's withdrawal and future relations - insisting it is the "best and only deal possible".

After 20 months of negotiations, the 27 leaders gave the deal their blessing after less than an hour's discussion.

They said the deal - which needs to be approved by the UK Parliament - paved the way for an "orderly withdrawal".

Theresa May said the deal "delivered for the British people" and set the UK "on course for a prosperous future".

Speaking in Brussels, she urged both Leave and Remain voters to unite behind the agreement, insisting the British public "do not want to spend any more time arguing about Brexit".

The UK is scheduled to leave the EU on 29 March 2019.

European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said anyone in Britain who thought the bloc might offer improved terms if MPs rejected the deal would be "disappointed".

But European Council President Donald Tusk, who broke the news of the agreement on Twitter, said he would not speculate on what would happen in such a situation, saying: "I am not a fortune teller."

The UK Parliament is expected to vote on the deal on 12 December, but its approval is far from guaranteed.

Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP, the DUP and many Conservatives MPs are set to vote against.

French President Emmanuel Macron has vowed to force Britain into the Irish border backstop if it does not give up access to UK fishing waters.

Mr Macron said maintaining the customs union would be used as 'leverage' in the next phase of talks on the final UK-EU trade deal.

Prime Minister Theresa May has insisted Britain will leave the customs union, which is essential to striking trade deals, after Brexit. But under the divorce deal agreed in Brussels today this can only happen if there is an alternative for keeping open the Irish border.

If France refuses to agree a trade deal because of a dispute, entering the backstop - which is hated by Brexiteers, Unionists and the DUP - could be inevitable.

Mr Macron's intervention sparked a ferocious backlash from both sides of the Brexit divide.

No doubt JRM, BJ, IDS, the DUP, and a few more besides, will be telling TM, "We told you so!"

Unless, things change somewhat, this is NOT going to be voted through by the UK parliament.

But I can't now see the EU agreeing to ANY changes in the UK's agreement.

Therefore, it's NO DEAL - HERE WE COME!

Stand by for a market crash, IMHO.

If TM just had a few people to convince : it might be given the go-ahead, but there are so many objectors !....strangely it could boil down to whether Labour agree or not, they could resolve the impasse......otherwise it's a no-deal situation.....a second referendum is just ridiculous...why not a third whilst we're at it....in that case when you have an election...dispute it and you have another ...nuts....

The deal we now need the PM to go forward with is the 'Get Stuffed Deal'.

It might well get the likes of France and Spain to back off a bit and it could possibly re-unite the country too.

Well that's another fine mess you've got us into Mrs May 🤣

Can I smell burned gammon?

:o)

Should have just quit the EU 2 years ago , six months after the referendum.

Macron and Spain doing a great job of drumming up support for the eu get stuffed deal.

CNG - i suspect you have more expertise than the rest of us put together, but if you're a long term holder, then it must surely be to just sit tight; if a trader, then if already holding, sell into the rally especially if you can see a respectable profit

Bulls win, cyners. Bears win. But pigs always get stuffed.

Gammon
A term used to describe a particular type of Brexit-voting, europhobic, middle-aged white male, whose meat-faced complexion suggests they are perilously close to a stroke.

Cerise.

You are not saying Manuel is middle-aged, are you?

That would be difficult to believe.

cynic is well past middle age, and fred is positively geriatric with the usual complications of dementia :-)

The result of the so-called deal not getting past parliament might result in the status quo as far as remaining in the EU for a few more years.....so many political shenanigans going on at the moment.....might end up with secret bribes to mp's for votes....nothing surprises me now....as politics is pretty much stinky-poos....

Manuel,

Recognition of the facts doesn't slow down the process.

-===

Is there a term for a "barrow girl"?

If so it will be interesting to watch Theresa selling her goods off one.