Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

rarely say this about you ..... stupid girl!! :-)

in today's FT .....

Why May’s Brexit deal deserves support

Perhaps Theresa May’s greatest achievement has been to unite both Leavers and Remainers in opposition to the Brexit withdrawal agreement she has just struck with the EU. Brexiters are dismayed by the concessions the UK prime minister has made, while many Remainers point out that the downsides of the deal could have been avoided by giving up the project of leaving the EU entirely.

However, as Gideon Rachman argues in his column this week, while Mrs May's deal upsets the zealots on both sides, it at least offers everyone something: it honours the result of the 2016 referendum while seeking to minimise the economic pain of Brexit. And what is more, the alternatives — a disastrous no-deal Brexit or an inconclusive second referendum campaign — would further sap Britain's already fragile tradition of political stability and social calm.


Meanwhile, Robert Shrimsley warns against the assumption that the UK will avoid crashing out of the EU without a deal: the parliamentary arithmetic is such that opponents of no deal could end up shooting down their best options.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-economy/brexit-deal-to-mean-four-percent-hit-to-uk-economy-by-2030-think-tank-idUKKCN1NV1W1?feedType=nl&feedName=ukmorningdigest&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018%20Template:%20UK%20MORNING%20DIGEST%202018-11-27&utm_term=NEW:%20UK%20Morning%20Digest


Brexit deal to mean four percent hit to UK economy by 2030 - think tank
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LONDON (Reuters) - The British government’s Brexit deal with Brussels is likely to mean Britain’s economy will be 3.9 percent smaller by 2030 than if it were to stay in the European Union, a leading think tank said on Monday.

City workers cross the River Thames with the City of London financial district seen behind in London, in Britain October 27, 2016. REUTERS/Toby Melville
The hit would be the equivalent of losing the economic output of Wales or the contribution of London’s financial services industry, the National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR) said.

The report was commissioned by People’s Vote, a campaign group calling for a new referendum that could keep Britain in the European Union.

Britain’s economic growth has slowed since the 2016 Brexit vote, largely in line NIESR’s pre-referendum projections of the impact of a ‘Leave’ vote, but not by as much as many forecasters predicted.

NIESR’s latest report predicted that, if Britain strikes a free trade deal with the EU to replace its current membership, by 2030 the lost output would be equivalent to about 1,100 pounds ($1,400) per person per year.

Britain is due to leave the EU in March but, if parliament approves the exit deal, its trading status with the bloc will remain unchanged at least until the end of 2020.

That transition period could be extended until the end of 2022 as London and Brussels hammer out their new relationship.

Falling business morale points to weak German growth
Prime Minister Theresa May is struggling to overcome opposition within her Conservative Party to the agreement she stuck with Brussels, raising concerns about a no-deal Brexit among businesses and investors.

If Britain leaves the EU in March with no deal, but with some agreements to avoid major disruption to trade and travel, the economy will be 5.5 percent smaller by 2030 than under continued EU membership, NIESR estimated.

It said the hit would be less if Britain remained in a customs union with the EU — a backstop option in London’s deal with Brussels — which would leave the economy 2.8 percent smaller by 2030 than if it stayed fully in the bloc.

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TM using Project Fear more than any of the Remainers did before the vote - says it all when you can now see what her real objective was - and has the audacity to suggest the NHS will be better off by the sort of figures the Leavers had painted on the bus.

Get those 48 letters signed and remove her.

Ct your MP is the best one to contact.

At least Sir Michael Fallon has now come out clearly telling the PM its all over for her, I am sure he will soon be joined by a lot of others now that he has spoken, as he was a Eurosceptic but wanted to Remain in the EU in fear of Russia/Putin.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46356353

Just been talking with a couple of tories about the differences between some tory PMs.

One commented that whereas Churchill retreated from Europe and then went back to help win a war, Theresa May is retreating from Europe with little or no chance, or hope of returning.

Sad.

as voted for by a 4% majority in the referendum
indeed, very much in line with what corbyn himself has always wanted

did you actually vote in the referendum fred?

If you are living out of the Country for 15 years or more you do not get a vote, no matter how British you are cynic.

so????
and do you think they should?

Depends on whether they pay their full dues over the absent period and where they pay those dues!

by living abroad, it is a matter of fact that they will avoid paying uk income tax
whether or not you regard that as part of their "full dues" is a matter of opinion, though personally, i do not see why they should get a vote

for that matter, i don't think prisoners jailed for crimes with a tariff of say 7 years or more (an arbitrary period) should get a vote either

Take the best and leave the rest to pay cynic. If TM gets here way - you`ll pay every day, so you would be richer if you move away and leave the rest to pay.

Vote with your feet.

TM has such high standards that she has nothing to say about the killing of Khashoggi and is happy to supply weapons to these nations for cash.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/27/argentina-prosecutors-considering-charges-against-mohammed-bin-salman-at-g20

i'll just live with what life throws at me, and unless finances dictate otherwise, i really have no wish to move within this country either

Expats can vote in referenda for 15 years after leaving the UK. I certainly know plenty of fellow expats who didn't vote in the first referendum (mainly because they didn't know they could vote) who intend to vote remain in the second referendum.

Presumably Dilbert discounted those folks in his straw poll down at the Sheep Shaggers Arms???

if someone has chosen to live abroad - being posted abroad is different - thus avoiding uk taxes, why should they then retain the right to vote at all?

I don't make the laws, Cyners, I just know how to use them. But when it comes to Brexit, nearly every expat living in Europe is adversely affected to some degree at a personal level, so why shouldn't they have a vote?

Manuel,

Be careful, there seems to be a lot of knives be thrown in the Thames Valley.

(Not all of them by tory con artists.)

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CNG.

They are probably baaing him from there.

CNG - exactly because they have chosen to live elsewhere ..... but yes, if the law says etc, but the law also says philip green can abuse the tax system to his heart's content

You can live in the UK and avoid most taxes bar VAT - the more you earn the less you pay and still get a vote, so why should expats not get a vote in any referendum if they hold a British Passport ?