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The really useful silver thread (AG)     

squirrel888 - 12 Jun 2013 10:30

><a href=5 Year HUI Index Chart - AMEX Gold Bugs Index Performance" alt="" /> ><a href=1 Year Gold to Silver Price Ratio Chart - Gold Silver Ratio Graph" alt="" />

squirrel888 - 15 Jun 2013 12:42 - 104 of 1034

Mabel,

Here you go

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com.br/2013/06/your-daily-grayson-on-nsa-revelations.html

Just click on the link chain after the B I U at the top left hand corner above the posting box and then paste your link url in the pop up box that appears. Keep trying - you'll get there in the end. I'll keep bringing links to blue for folk and will continue to help.

squirrel888 - 15 Jun 2013 12:43 - 105 of 1034

Gold and silver stepped up this weekend. Quite a few are calling it for higher prices from here. JPM are long.

weyweyumfozo - 15 Jun 2013 16:41 - 106 of 1034

I'm still using t'other one, but I thought I'd better keep an eye on you lot!

squirrel888 - 15 Jun 2013 16:58 - 107 of 1034

Wey,

We're going to discuss secret stuff here. So you can be the others spy. We know it happens but we don't care. We might plant some surprises.

yikyak - 15 Jun 2013 18:42 - 108 of 1034

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-15/deutsche-bank-horribly-undercapitalized-its-ridiculous-says-former-fed-president-hoe

Interesting barchart!!!!!!!!!

No wonder the Germans didn't want a Chinese solar tariff, if the Chinese reciprocate with a tariff on €U vehicles then.........................

MaxK - 15 Jun 2013 18:54 - 109 of 1034

I dont think the Germans give a toss about €U vehicles.

Merc, VW et al, thats a different matter.

gazkaz - 15 Jun 2013 21:29 - 110 of 1034

Mabel - you picked up "the brilliant........re NSA" in the link url
you just need the part....

http://www.digbysblog.blogspot.com.br/2013/06/your-daily-grayson-on-nsa-revelations.html

You need to just copy... only the above part
= click the little chain sign (above posting box)
- delete the pre filled http in the pop up box (otherwise you will get it twice)
- click ok
- same on next box
- should work & be active

PS Thanks for the link itself - interesting to here it from..... an actual member of congress

gazkaz - 15 Jun 2013 22:25 - 111 of 1034

Snurkle - cheers - nice interview from Embry (just seems such common sense..well it does to me :o)

Looking at this chart - and how the US alone is only just bumping along the bottom (well officially...but really......)
- with all this printing - shown in the chart
- it's absurd to think....they could stop....or in FEDy speak begin to...taper

http://static.cdn-seekingalpha.com/uploads/2013/6/13/536584-13711381423865283-Dave-Kranzler.png

gazkaz - 15 Jun 2013 23:50 - 112 of 1034

The Beck - sytem bring down - disclosure
- not come accross the final....output..
- but
- I think it will be "his" ....interview.... with this guy & what he has to say

http://www.hagmannandhagmann.com/1/post/2013/06/glenn-beck-discusses-dhs-insider-its-about-to-get-ugly.html

ie - Becks - pre teaser - coverage of this article........Becks audio at the top
- transcript - beneath

..........................................................................................................

Another one of lifes little "unconnected" events
(Hagman - of the above website - carrying the original - beck alluded to - disclosure)

http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=427

Hagmann
- was involved in an altercation with armed authorities while driving on a city street early this morning.
- As reported, he suddenly and inexplicably found himself surrounded by police SUV vehicles and a cadre of police officers
- treating him as if he was a -----terrorist threat.

(almost - proof of the pudding - as some might conclude)

mabel - 16 Jun 2013 11:28 - 113 of 1034

Thanks gaz,

I'm a technophobe, but will try again the next time I find anything worth posting.

mabel

ps and thanks to squirrel for doing the link

gazkaz - 16 Jun 2013 17:43 - 114 of 1034

Worthwhile interview
- interviewer - credits the guy
(Charles Nenner Research’s Managing Director)

With - calling the top in gold
- & getting his clients "all out" of markets in the summer before Lehman
- we're talking....sovereign wealth funds !!
(if true - quite impressive)

He uses,
- cycles,
- algorythms,
- and for good measure
- a dash of.....quantum physics

He says the above system he uses ,( in paraphrase), effectively indicates....tops/bottoms ....and....time windows

Worth hearing the interview in full - but a few ...juicy bits :o)

http://www.hardassetsinvestor.com/videoSourceJoomlaMov.php?id=4834

Gold likely to do one more retest... of a bottom (i think he said around high $1300)

He also Says Stocks Will Drop .....More Than 60%
(Over Next 7 Yrs)

System
It doesn't necessarily tell you the price or the proximity of the price.
- It just tells you, here's a time window.

Gold
Target algorithm, which ..is based.. on rocket science, believe it or not,
- and quantum physics … it does get very deep, gives you level.
- And so we look for timing, level and direction.
- And when they don't all line up, we will stay out, which is
- something most people have a hard time doing.
- So they're in pain staying in the gold trade. Now as you probably know, a lot of people are sitting now crying because … and
- they're going to.. probably sell.

When it gets to the bottom—which we think is coming..... relatively soon
— they're going to sell out ....and we think there's going to be a great opportunity.

So the recent sell-off that brought us into the mid-to-low $1,300's, it was
- almost.... like a capitulation

We'll retest probably,....... because we want everything to line up.
- The cycle, the target and the other things we look atl.

It would suggest - we're in the next leg of this long-term bull market.

We have a lot of sovereign wealth fund clients.
They don't want to trade next week, next month.
- They want to know four years from now.

& the outlook, after possible "coming soon" retest of high $1,300's bottom

- Gold.... is going to go up,
(based on our cycles, based on our forecasts).

Silver ....going up

But Copper is down.
We got out of copper six, eight months ago. So copper's down, indicates something about not such a great economy.

Everything's different.
So grains we think are bottoming in several months. And there's going to be a rally in grains.

People say stocks and bonds always go opposite direction. If you bought stocks and bonds in 1981, it was both a great trade. They both went up. If you bought them both in 2000, bonds have done well, but stocks are flat from 2000.
- If you bought them from 2007, bonds have done well, but stocks haven't.
- So you can't just say A implies …B

Worth listening to....imo - and fwiw basis




yikyak - 16 Jun 2013 20:23 - 115 of 1034

MaxK, although the German car exports are an obvious priority they care about France and Italian car manufacturers because German banks are very significant creditors of both countries.

yikyak - 16 Jun 2013 20:53 - 116 of 1034

http://vimeo.com/45821274#

MaxK - 17 Jun 2013 00:05 - 117 of 1034

German banks yik....yes, that works, cos they are even more bust than the rest.

Hence the bail-ins.

snurkle1 - 17 Jun 2013 06:27 - 118 of 1034

For those of you who are thinking of adding to or starting your physical position, high spec trading have replenished their stock levels.

I really recommend them and what I really like is the price you see is the price you pay. It's including vat and delivery.
£189.52 for a 10 oz bar

CID haven't got anything in between a 1oz and 1KG bar
Their 1oz bar is still over £27 (incl vat) but you still have to add your carriage on it so you'd be looking at around £35 per 1oz bar!!!!!!!

I have made a few purchases from Highspectrading and am extremely satisfied with their service. Highly recommend them.

http://www.highspectrading.co.uk/-silver-bars--9-c.asp

yikyak - 17 Jun 2013 09:47 - 119 of 1034

Well you can't grumble at the price quoted snurkle http://www.highspectrading.co.uk/-gold-coins--2-c.asp

yikyak - 17 Jun 2013 09:59 - 120 of 1034

Corruption isn't corruption anymore - at least when it was 'old school' grainy photo's of brown envelopes being exchanged everyone knew where they stood.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/getting_schooled_Tnk6T9EkMg8sOYmDKIKwmK

yikyak - 17 Jun 2013 11:51 - 121 of 1034

Gaz, we've talked before about the Iceland effect whereby rates that are far and above those offered elswhere being a sign of trouble ahead as a reliable indicator.

'One product stood out head and shoulders against the others. Those of a cynical mind might have queried why the ‘utterly ethical’ Co-Op bank was offering a 15.29% gross yield on your money – almost double the rate available anywhere else, but then wasn’t the Co-Op bank the only bank that was set up to primarily benefit its customers rather than those dastardly bankers?'

http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/were-all-in-this-together-except-for-the-labour-party/

gazkaz - 17 Jun 2013 16:34 - 122 of 1034

YikYak - true
- a mate has just had one bond to HSBC & one to Santander mature - I think one paid 11% & the other 13% (p.a) - if any "any" annual anniversay the FTSE ended up higher than when he took it out. Been in 2yrs so got.....22% & 26% ...in 2yrs !!!!!
- each could run for up to six yrs (if the ftse hadn't finished higher than start on any of the annual anniversaries)
- if ftse hadn't been above start figure on any of the annual anniversaries
- it paid you back your full original investment - at the end of 6yrs
- you only lost capital if after 6yrs the ftse had fallen by more than 50% (after...6yrs)

- shows what it takes for them to entice financing.

I checked out all the fine print 2yrs ago - looked a virtual no brainer
- Since then - Cyprus Template & Greek haircuts....application to Bondholders have
- .....erm - changed my opinion (in hindsight)

Maybe - he just got lucky and got paid out - and the boyz are running behind schedule (ie paid out before the banksters kicked in the Cypus templates)

I think perhaps the co-op is somewhere between....
- Q - equity life - do you really think we will be able to honour guaranteed annuities of 13% sir ?
- A - Look.... me, you, the chairman and everybody will be gone by then - just pocket your million pound bonus - and the government will sort it out and pick up the tab
(by then - we can sit, look back, and laugh about it in our villas & ferraris)

Or perhaps - black hole found in Co-op balance sheet
- Q - why ? - because we looked - and looked hard
- A - why - coz they ain't in "the club"
- Q - but on a mark to market basis - all banks including central banks would have their equity wiped out - they are totally insolvent
- and what about all the banks/insurance Co's/Pension funds - holding Mortgage backed security investments - with the same mortgage in multiple products.....and questionable/doubtful chains of title ?
- A - Nice to have our club of Banksters, the gov & reulatory authorities in our pockets
- we either take out the non club co-op type competitors & pick up their assets at firesale prices
- or saddle the taxpayers with bailouts
- or screw bondolders and savers with - another Cyprus jobby
- it's fun being in the Bankster club.....by the way what are you doing with your million pound bonus - this year.

- Sir - the Co-op has some juicy arms & subsidiaries - our boys could pick them up at firesale prices and divvy up the spoils later
- now you're geting the hang of it !

- oh and sir - xxxx insurance has a lot of the haircut bonds in their assets - that will mean they take a hit - we could pick up their xxxx subsidiary in due course
- well done - you will go far.

- sir - sorry to mention... but - you are salivating heavily...and drooling on your saville row shirt.

Yes, you are right - better stock up on some more - it's going to be a shirt drooling fun 24m

Alternatively - Co-op - just a distraction from the real big boyz "in trouble" on the other side of the pond - or Deutsche, or Barclays - over this side

Then again - I am cynical :o) - or maybe just......

snurkle1 - 17 Jun 2013 17:50 - 123 of 1034

Bix has some interesting views

ALERT: JP Morgan Increases SLV Holdings by 500%

http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/1218.cfm?awt_l=5eEZ2&awt_m=3VICbOjYkB4C85B
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