Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Could be, Fred. Could be.

But the situation is currently possibly rescue able.

Another minister gone...



https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/30/sam-gyimah-resigns-over-theresa-mays-brexit-deal

Fred , Tusk needs our money.

Love to hear his comment to the G20 if we leave with no deal and the EU have a 39 billion black hole in their budget.

But the good news is Cardiff won and are now above Burnley and four other similarly rubbish teams.

Stan , stop praying for a second referendum and start praying for Burnley :-)

i shall just continue living my life and running my biz whatever happens about brexit

Are you sure?

I suppose she is thinking of the next General Election!

Thought we would have a long weekend away in Europe whilst we still had the chance. We are in Paris - it is such a beautiful city, it brought tears to our eyes.

in dubai, unless you know the places frequented by the locals, it's the food and especially the alcohol prices that will bring tears to your eyes

Thinks Treeza is running out of road...



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/12/01/government-facing-multiple-legal-challenges-may-brexit-deal/

I do hope you took your gilet jaune, Martini.

:o)

She has not moved.

The expectations of the Theresa and the torrid party for the UK!

if a 2nd referendum is forced upon us all, how would you vote?
would that be the same as the first time around?

for myself and my wife, we would both vote to leave as we did first time around, and would be satisfied to take the current terms on offer ..... much more negotiation still to come of course

The PM continues to repeat the same few sentences over and over again in reply to questions and without actually answering any of them in a clean way. Thus she gives no sign that she is even listening to the serious concerns being expressed, particularly those about us being stuck in a loop with the backstop. It's as though she has memorised a few sentences and will continue to spout them until she goes down in flames, just as she did during her recent disastrous election campaign.

Not withstanding, that today we have been told, that the tax burden on households and businesses has hit a 50-year high: 34.6 per cent of gross domestic product.

There is no point to the Tory Party if it doesn’t cut taxes, or at the very least hold them steady.

It would seem Taxpayers are being hammered more heavily nowadays than during the worst of the Gordon Brown era. We are paying even more nowadays than during the socialist Seventies.

The Tory party cannot see that it has lost its way. I now blame the Tory Party for allowing Theresa May to continue in office for so long.

They must now lose the next General Election and what have we got to replace them with? A bunch of bloody Marxists. How very depressing.

Ex.

You must have found the "Road to Damascus".

8-)

EL - then surely my question above is very relevant

Gina Miller:

“The reality is, that the Brexit vote is not going to get through Parliament in nine days time. What is Plan B?

1. Is it an election that TM calls herself?
2. It is an election that the Labour Party wants to call through a vote of no-confidence?
3. Is it an alternative?
4. Is it sending us back?

Whatever the alternatives are, other than no-deal, would require an extension to Article 50.

This idea that there is no majority in Parliament for no-deal, I must just point out, if there is no other option because of the MP’s allowing Article 50 to be triggered no-deal is the legal end game here.

So MP’s cannot stop it because they should have been having these debates when I won my case.

So many MP’s triggered Article 50 without really thinking about the consequences of the actual legal end game of that trigger which is no-deal if there is no other option.”

Gina Miller, now a prominent supporter of the People's Vote campaign for a second referendum, warned Theresa May's deal will lead the country to a "constitutional crisis".

Sir Keir Starmer has said Labour will seek to call a motion of no confidence in the Government if Theresa May loses a Commons vote on her Brexit deal.

a reply to my own question is therefore relevant and interesting

Cynic

Since Theresa May is being coercive and undemocratic, I do not want her to lead the country any longer. She is a Remainer. I want to see a Brexiteer leading the country and in a very enthusiastic manner too.

Brexit should be something to look forward to and, as an end result, should surely put the whole country into a better position than it is now. This is not being sold to us. In fact, it is as though it might well not do that.

Currently, for instance, we could get trapped in the back stop and thus lose our fishing rights and not even be able to enter world wide trade deals.

What we are also clearly beginning to see, is a coercive and devious prime minister forcing her own agenda through parliament and in a non-democratic way. She appears to be blind to the strong potential that the December 11th vote will be lost and by a massive 100 votes or more.

If I could see the way ahead more clearly, then I would be more easily able to answer your question.

I voted 'Out'. I still believe a better future for the UK exists outside the EU than remaining within. That belief is being strongly questioned at the moment as events unfurl.

Fingers crossed, that things happen so as to propel us out more safely, firmly and enthusiastically.

Regards to fishing rights and Gibraltar which appear to be for future discussion ie after voting on this 'TM Deal'. What happened to nothing is agreed until everything is agreed?

as you are probably aware, my estimation of TM has grown considerably, and i think the deal she managed to cut with brussels in supremely difficult circumstances, was as good as one could have hoped for - well not you and other hard line brexiteers i suppose

at least it is clear that if another referendum is foisted upon us by another bunch of self-serving politicians, you would vote to leave once again