This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

alan..i can administer a dose of truth if you need me

BREAKING NEWS:
The 911 suicide bombers have finally been identified beyond any doubt. The pilots on that fatefull day at the WTC and the Pentagon were Elvis, JFK and Princess Diana.
Sources reveal that none had died and instead had been spirited away by the CIA to be trained as pilots, and heavily disguised as Arabs in a bid to start a world war that would destroy the human race.
I have of course written a book that will sell by the million to gullible people, full of quotes from other people who either hate America or have a book of their own to sell.
I am now working on my follow up that the people responsible for the London bombings were a bunch of very short miners, led by a shadowy figure known only as Snow White. My evidence for this is only that it happened on 7/7, but I am sure I can dig up some more.
The internet is full of people who will happily believe this, and I will make a mint.
Alan

alan..you 're getting closer to the truth but you've got the wrong characters...try replacing them with Cheney,wolverwitz,rumsfeld,zahiem,netanyahu and other Bush cabal members

Wow!!!
My irony must have gone rusty!
Do you also have books about faked moon landings, the holocaust not happening, Area 51 at Roswell, Alien autopsies and the elixir of life??
I've got a great one that proves beyond any doubt* at all that every government in every country has had all its members kidnapped and replaced by extra terrestial beings in robotic suits to look like them.
Wanna buy it???

*All reasonable doubt to anyone who believes the 911 conspiracy theories. Its more believable and comes with a free "surviving the aliens kit".

Senate Wins Fight To Lower Allowable Amperage Levels On Detainees' Testicles
September 29, 2006 | Issue 4240 THE ONION



WASHINGTON, DCLed by a bipartisan group of senators critical of White House policy on suspected terrorists, the Senate passed a bill Thursday that prohibits interrogators from exceeding 100 amps per testicle when questioning detainees. "Even in times of war, it is counterproductive and wrong to employ certain inhumane interrogation techniques, and using three-digit amperage levels on the testicles of captives constitutes torture," said Sen. John Warner (R-VA), who has also supported reducing the size of attack dogs and the height of nude pyramids. "Using amperages of 99 and lower, with approved surge protectors on the jumper-cable clamps, are the hallmarks of a civilized society." The legislation did not address amperage restrictions on suspected terrorists' labia.


Made me laugh.

Barwoni, when you count the number of Muslims killed by "fellow"
Muslims, I think it would be reasonable to question who supplied the weapons and why. Also who are producing arms for use in Iraq and Afghanistan (Britain's Vietnam).
It would also be reasonable to count the number of Vietnamese, Iraqis, and Afghans killed by indiscriminate American bombing (collateral damage). Mind, which is OK, as America is a peace-loving nation.

ADXP, this country would benefit from the early demised of Blair. He accepted his role as "The Leader", he is responsible for the results and implication of his actions, however well intentioned. He is not fit for purpose as he ignored the advice of many better-informed advisers and rewrote the known facts to fit the case he wanted to present.

When I was working, if, or when my staff or I made mistakes, I took the responsibility for those actions.

I think, if MR BLAIR and MR BUSH had their own children in the firing line their decisions may have been slightly different. Sacrificing others for your cause is easier than sacrificing your own. That also goes for those preaching the use of "suicide bombings".

Yesterday, an audio tape appeared on jihadist websites, coming from the head of Al Qaeda in Iraq and successor to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Sheikh Abu Hamza al-Muhajir urged Muslims in Iraq to kidnap Christians. Details of his speech can be found on the BBC, AKI and Associated Press on Topix.net, Washington Times, Times of India and numerous local papers with AP feeds.

Muhajir, also known as Ayyub al-Masri, said: "I call on every holy fighter in Iraq to strive to capture some dogs of the Christians so that we can liberate our imprisoned sheikh."

This was a reference to Omar Abdul Rahman, the blind Egyptian sheikh, who is currently in prison in the US for his role in the plotting of the first attack upon the World Trade Center of February 26, 1993, in which six people died. The sheikh is the spiritual leader of Gamaa Islamiya, a group which has claimed to have renounced violence. Al Qaeda states Gamaa Islamiya has now officially joined its ranks.

As well as urging Iraqis to kidnap Christians, he gave Muslims a Ramadan greeting, saying: "I congratulate the Muslim nation on the occasion of the holy month of Ramadan, the month of jihad. I ask God to make it a month for honour and victory for Muslims."

Muhajir also urged scientists, including nuclear scientists, to join the cause of jihad. He said: "We are in dire need of you. The field of jihad can satisfy your scientific ambitions, and the large American bases are good places to test your unconventional weapons, whether biological or dirty, as they call them."

"The blood has been spilled in Iraq of more than 4,000 foreigners who came to fight." he said, admitting that his fighters have suffered heavy losses.

He concluded his speech with the following: "To the tribal leaders who are on our side and help us economically and with manpower I say Allah will reward you....but to those who are with the traitors and the occupiers I say that certainly you may earn money and important positions but the truth is with Allah. We ask them to return to their faith and they can do so only if they repent."

I think there is some truth to the Roswell incident.

Fred,

IMHO, many people got to the positions they occupy by neither ability, nor strength, nor diligence, but because of their weakness and vulnerability which are useful and beneficial to others. (eg. Thatcher, Major, Blair, ...). Sometimes, they are not as weak and obliging as some had hoped. And some others are obedient beyond wildest dreams.

all IMHO etc

AXDPC, Stop dreaming! You know it wil only get you into trouble at this time of night.

alan..if you believe 33 degree astronauts stepped on the moon in 1969 or whatever year it was then you are dumber than i thought...listen they can't even send a shuttle up without the blasted tiles coming off.. FACT:they didn't have the technology to put a man on the moon...end of story..just go to www.checktheevidence.com and research the truth

Gobsmacked!!!
I rest my case.

maestro.,

Do you believe in Father Christmas ?

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/

Well worth a read!


http://www.jod911.com/

is it just me or has this thread really gone down hill?

I come to chat and debate whatevers the current topic and idle a few minutes of my boss's time away.

There must be someone out there with a topic worth debating!

Fred1new - 01 Oct 2006 12:13 - 1048 of 1057
Barwoni, when you count the number of Muslims killed by "fellow"
Muslims, I think it would be reasonable to question who supplied the weapons and why. Also who are producing arms for use in Iraq and Afghanistan (Britain's Vietnam).
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So who in both cases do you reckon supplies the weapons ?

There I've asked you the questions.

The tragedy is that in Arab and Muslim countries a massacre is happening. A genocide protected by the silence of the world. A genocide protected by a deception that is perhaps unparalleled in the history of mankind. A genocide that has no connection to Israel, to Zionism or to Jews. A genocide of mainly Arabs and Muslims, by Arabs and Muslims.

This is not a matter of opinion or viewpoint. This is the result of factual examination, as precise as possible, of the numbers of victims of various wars and conflicts that have taken place since the establishment of the State of Israel up till this time, in which the massacre continues. It is, indeed, death on a massive scale. A massacre. It is the wiping out of villages and cities and whole populations. And the world is silent. The Muslims are indeed abandoned. They are murdered and the world is silent. And if it bothers to open its mouth, it doesnt complain about the murderers. It doesnt complain about the perpetrators of these crimes against humanity. It complains about Israel.

http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/483/521.html

http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/

In an online story in newspaper The Daily Telegraph that was removed for legal reasons, former Muslim Dr. Patrick Sookhdeo warned that British Muslims could soon form a state within the state. Dr Sookhdeo believed that in a decade, you will see parts of English cities which are controlled by Muslim clerics and which follow, not the common law, but aspects of Muslim sharia law. In 1980, the Islamic Council of Europe laid out their strategy for the future and the fundamental rule was never dilute your presence. That is to say, do not integrate. Rather, concentrate Muslim presence in a particular area until you are a majority in that area, so that the institutions of the local community come to reflect Islamic structures. The education system will be Islamic, the shops will serve only halal food, there will be no advertisements showing naked or semi-naked women, and so on.

The next step will be pushing the Government to recognize sharia law for Muslim communities which will be backed up by the claim that it is racist or Islamophobic to deny them this. Sookhdeo noted that there is already a Sharia Law Council for the UK. There are Muslim men in Britain who marry and divorce three women, then marry a fourth time and stay married, in sharia law, to all four. The more fundamentalist clerics think that it is only a matter of time before they will persuade the Government to concede on the issue of sharia law. Given the Government's record of capitulating, you can see why they believe that.

Birmingham Freddie Boy?

Ever been to golders green? Bawoani.
Jewish heartland. set area for sabbath etc
get a life, your just a godbothering scaremonger.

Nope I'm with Bawoani on those posts. Theres plenty of places you can go now and feel (apart from when raining) that your in a foreign country. Also I agree that this problem must be stopped now, and the White/Black English religious divide must be conquered.