Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

as you are probably aware, my estimation of TM has grown considerably, and i think the deal she managed to cut with brussels in supremely difficult circumstances, was as good as one could have hoped for - well not you and other hard line brexiteers i suppose

at least it is clear that if another referendum is foisted upon us by another bunch of self-serving politicians, you would vote to leave once again

"cynic Send an email to cynic View cynic's profile - 02 Dec 2018 10:49 - 10435 of 10443

if a 2nd referendum is forced upon us all, how would you vote?
would that be the same as the first time around?

for myself and my wife, we would both vote to leave as we did first time around, and would be satisfied to take the current terms on offer ..... much more negotiation still to come of course"

Alf,

We can't possibly have merely "a 2nd referendum" as everyone in the Country have had the time in between that referendum to be "informed" of some important elements that were not explained by the outers before the last one and the 1st "informed referendum" that should now happen...how many more times do you need to have this explained?

Manuel.

as you are probably aware, my estimation of TM has grown considerably, and i think the deal she managed to cut with brussels in supremely difficult circumstances, was as good as one could have hoped for - well not you and other hard line brexiteers i suppose

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The mess that the government led by T May has made is self-inflicted, but the people paying the bill will be the less able to do so.

Partially due to the typical conceit and arrogance of her, some of her appointed cabinet members and neo-fascist elitist tendencies of the present leadership and some other members of the tory party.

Also, the prime movers Osborne and Cameron caused the problem by trying for egotistical party politicial reasons to resolve their inability to settle the discord in their own party.

Obviously, they have failed.

The cost of said "negotiations and her flights" around Europe the country trying to sustain her crazy ideas should be born by herself and the tory party and not paid for by the general public.

These costs are based on her party politics and her thoughts to be of benefits to her "party" and herself, not in that of her country's.

She has admitted that the outcome of Brexit will be detrimental to Britain.

If you observe the economic figures that it already proving to be happening.

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I am not sure when the next general election will occur, but at the moment I think the tory party chances of winning it or any such election in the next 20years are minimal.

I think it will need a coalition government to try to sort out the chaos and bring back some form of acceptable unity.

I warmed very, very much (as did wifey) towards Michael Gove, who appeared on this morning's Andrew Marr show.

AM does interrupt an awful lot but MG did manage to get his own main very important points across in a very clear way:

1. He is supporting the PM's present deal and which is admits is not perfect.

2. He says, that the main problem for him is the backstop (naturally) but it is just as big a problem, if not more so, for the EU. So its not perfect for them either. Wifey got this too.

Importantly, if the back stop is ever triggered and we get to become a bit worried, say by the French arguing the toss about fishing grounds, we can A. Continue trading with the EU and B. Whilst not being forced to pay in any monthly EU contribution and also C. Have an open border and also D. Continue doing pretty much our own thing around the world with trading, etc.

Therefore, A, B and C would be the case, he feels the EU would want to discontinue the backstop arrangement more quickerer than wot we wud. So that's nice.

He won me over to accept the PM's deal too.

But I still want rid of TM. Because he is more of a democrat and managed to get this important 'backstop point' across (despite Andrew Marr's interruptions) I wouldn't mind him becoming PM (and it's OK for wifey too).

I wanted to put a link up so you can see this interview on YouTube. There isn't one on there yet but I will look out for it.

thanks for your customary marxist polemic fred
as usual i have skipped past as you're just seriously dull

anyway, as you never vote, the question i asked could have been of no possible interest to you

stan - i assume you actually voted first time around, so my question for you remains valid

Exec,

I warmed very, very much (as did wifey) towards Michael Gove, who appeared on this morning's Andrew Marr show.

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You must have been b. cold.

Next, you will be saying Theresa would warm the cockles of your heart.

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Manuel.

How ungrateful of you when somebody has paid attention to you.

Go and ask Nanny Theresa for a cuddle.

The big question for Stan is what comes first ... Brexit or a Burnley win ?

Did Blackburn vote remain ? You could always move there and support them Stan , makes sense.

On the ITV news website (Robert Pexton column): it looks like TM has joined I'm a celeb get me out of here with the palm-tree backround....the way it's going : she might as well.....to me we are going to get more emu than EU....or is it the other way round ?...

Gove is a lying toerag!

Nothing that was listed in your post is true EL, we would still be under €u law, possibly forever.

Alf,

Iv'e already answered your question, now read my post 10444 again slowly and if you still can't understand it then ask someone who has understood it and then maybe you will get it.

The big question for Dil is what comes first ... The "informed referendum" or a Carduff City implosion.

Even Oily doesent believe it...


https://twitter.com/brexitblog_info/status/1069354364110848001

so stan, how will you vote if there is a referendum?
try answering without having first referred to to the commissariat

Mr Garnet you seem more dense then I thought but being the patient type I will persevere..so once again...

Alf,

We can't possibly have merely "a 2nd referendum" as everyone in the Country have had the time in between that referendum to be "informed" of some important elements that were not explained by the outers before the last one and the 1st "informed referendum" that should now happen...how many more times do you need to have this explained to you?

Stan.

You have to make allowances for Manuel, for as he moves into decrepitude he still remains in his childlike attention-seeking phase, like quite a lot of so-called "up and at "em" brigade" throwing their toys out of the pram.

Nanny won't be proud of him.

Quite Fred quite.

Think you put the e's in wrong place Stan.