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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Fred1new - 02 Dec 2018 15:54 - 10449 of 12628

Exec,

I warmed very, very much (as did wifey) towards Michael Gove, who appeared on this morning's Andrew Marr show.

-==

You must have been b. cold.

Next, you will be saying Theresa would warm the cockles of your heart.

-=-=-=-=-=

Manuel.

How ungrateful of you when somebody has paid attention to you.

Go and ask Nanny Theresa for a cuddle.

Dil - 02 Dec 2018 19:20 - 10450 of 12628

The big question for Stan is what comes first ... Brexit or a Burnley win ?

Did Blackburn vote remain ? You could always move there and support them Stan , makes sense.

required field - 02 Dec 2018 19:30 - 10451 of 12628

On the ITV news website (Robert Pexton column): it looks like TM has joined I'm a celeb get me out of here with the palm-tree backround....the way it's going : she might as well.....to me we are going to get more emu than EU....or is it the other way round ?...

MaxK - 02 Dec 2018 20:10 - 10452 of 12628

MaxK - 02 Dec 2018 20:13 - 10453 of 12628

Gove is a lying toerag!

Nothing that was listed in your post is true EL, we would still be under €u law, possibly forever.

Stan - 02 Dec 2018 20:14 - 10454 of 12628

Alf,

Iv'e already answered your question, now read my post 10444 again slowly and if you still can't understand it then ask someone who has understood it and then maybe you will get it.

Stan - 02 Dec 2018 20:23 - 10455 of 12628

The big question for Dil is what comes first ... The "informed referendum" or a Carduff City implosion.

MaxK - 02 Dec 2018 23:08 - 10456 of 12628

MaxK - 02 Dec 2018 23:18 - 10457 of 12628

Even Oily doesent believe it...


https://twitter.com/brexitblog_info/status/1069354364110848001

cynic - 03 Dec 2018 02:41 - 10458 of 12628

so stan, how will you vote if there is a referendum?
try answering without having first referred to to the commissariat

Stan - 03 Dec 2018 08:10 - 10459 of 12628

Mr Garnet you seem more dense then I thought but being the patient type I will persevere..so once again...

Alf,

We can't possibly have merely "a 2nd referendum" as everyone in the Country have had the time in between that referendum to be "informed" of some important elements that were not explained by the outers before the last one and the 1st "informed referendum" that should now happen...how many more times do you need to have this explained to you?

Fred1new - 03 Dec 2018 08:53 - 10460 of 12628

Stan.

You have to make allowances for Manuel, for as he moves into decrepitude he still remains in his childlike attention-seeking phase, like quite a lot of so-called "up and at "em" brigade" throwing their toys out of the pram.

Nanny won't be proud of him.

Stan - 03 Dec 2018 09:14 - 10461 of 12628

Quite Fred quite.

Dil - 03 Dec 2018 09:57 - 10462 of 12628

Think you put the e's in wrong place Stan.

Clocktower - 03 Dec 2018 14:16 - 10463 of 12628

EL reading that the back stabbing Gove has suckered you to support TM`s position beggers belief.

Better you watch Mogg in House of Commons live.

cynic - 03 Dec 2018 14:50 - 10464 of 12628

stan clearly can't make up his own mind how to vote in the event that there is a(nother) referendum, but just dances around the issue as fred's little puppet

it was interesting to hear today from a small group of important and very well educated saudi businessmen that they all thought uk would be well shot of brussels and was strong enough in the longer term to flourish

Fred1new - 03 Dec 2018 15:07 - 10465 of 12628

Manuel,

Still crawling in SA.

Be careful you never know when you will have served your purpose for them.

ExecLine - 03 Dec 2018 15:41 - 10466 of 12628

Some of the objections to the backstop may merely be technicalities. However, even as technicalities, they are important and require consideration.

Membership of the EU does allow member states to be able share security information. Leave and you aren't any longer a member.

eg. So a non-member has a potential lack of access to certain levels of (sensitive) security information.

Well, this might be a factual technical possibility but it can, does and will work both ways, if it has to.

But it does NOT have to work like that if it isn't sensible. Mutual sharing of sensitive security information need not necessarily have to stop - even though the backstop agreement analysis says it could.

Clocktower - 03 Dec 2018 16:23 - 10467 of 12628

EL, why do you think Colum Eastwood and Michelle O'Neill say the Brexit backstop must remain in the deal?

Sinn Fein want it to stay forever, with the deal - they will get their way imo.

As for security - why did the last minister resign? Have you missed that news.

From Day 1 the UK should have said - we are leaving - You do XXX amount of trade with us, we only buy X from you, these are our terms if you want us to continue to support you - not beg them for a deal - we should have dictated the terms fron day one.

Fred1new - 03 Dec 2018 16:31 - 10468 of 12628

Do you mean a little like remaining a member of the EU, paying your dues and sharing the benefits of membership?
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