Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Gove is a lying toerag!

Nothing that was listed in your post is true EL, we would still be under €u law, possibly forever.

Alf,

Iv'e already answered your question, now read my post 10444 again slowly and if you still can't understand it then ask someone who has understood it and then maybe you will get it.

The big question for Dil is what comes first ... The "informed referendum" or a Carduff City implosion.

Even Oily doesent believe it...


https://twitter.com/brexitblog_info/status/1069354364110848001

so stan, how will you vote if there is a referendum?
try answering without having first referred to to the commissariat

Mr Garnet you seem more dense then I thought but being the patient type I will persevere..so once again...

Alf,

We can't possibly have merely "a 2nd referendum" as everyone in the Country have had the time in between that referendum to be "informed" of some important elements that were not explained by the outers before the last one and the 1st "informed referendum" that should now happen...how many more times do you need to have this explained to you?

Stan.

You have to make allowances for Manuel, for as he moves into decrepitude he still remains in his childlike attention-seeking phase, like quite a lot of so-called "up and at "em" brigade" throwing their toys out of the pram.

Nanny won't be proud of him.

Quite Fred quite.

Think you put the e's in wrong place Stan.

EL reading that the back stabbing Gove has suckered you to support TM`s position beggers belief.

Better you watch Mogg in House of Commons live.

stan clearly can't make up his own mind how to vote in the event that there is a(nother) referendum, but just dances around the issue as fred's little puppet

it was interesting to hear today from a small group of important and very well educated saudi businessmen that they all thought uk would be well shot of brussels and was strong enough in the longer term to flourish

Manuel,

Still crawling in SA.

Be careful you never know when you will have served your purpose for them.

Some of the objections to the backstop may merely be technicalities. However, even as technicalities, they are important and require consideration.

Membership of the EU does allow member states to be able share security information. Leave and you aren't any longer a member.

eg. So a non-member has a potential lack of access to certain levels of (sensitive) security information.

Well, this might be a factual technical possibility but it can, does and will work both ways, if it has to.

But it does NOT have to work like that if it isn't sensible. Mutual sharing of sensitive security information need not necessarily have to stop - even though the backstop agreement analysis says it could.

EL, why do you think Colum Eastwood and Michelle O'Neill say the Brexit backstop must remain in the deal?

Sinn Fein want it to stay forever, with the deal - they will get their way imo.

As for security - why did the last minister resign? Have you missed that news.

From Day 1 the UK should have said - we are leaving - You do XXX amount of trade with us, we only buy X from you, these are our terms if you want us to continue to support you - not beg them for a deal - we should have dictated the terms fron day one.

Do you mean a little like remaining a member of the EU, paying your dues and sharing the benefits of membership?

You have made it clear that you never accepted the results that 52% vote to leave - do you not understand the word LEAVE Fred?

it amazes and amuses me that fred can rant so much when he can't ever be bothered to vote for what he says he believes

psst! i would guarantee that even the marxist brotherhood would not renege on its arms contracts with saudi on the grounds of righteous outrage against the kashoggi murder

Clocktower

You seem to be making quite strong personal attacks on anyone you deem doesn't see things exactly like you do. If you want to argue, debate or whatever, then "great". I think we all love doing it, actually, but do stop making most of your comments so angry or personal, please. :-)

Gove isn't 'back stabbing'.
Gove hasn't suckered me.
Fred does understand the word LEAVE (obviously).

Oh, and FYI, I do think TM has been a very, very poor negotiator and I'm a great fan of JRM and I do like the oratory of BJ.

I do accept, that JRM has reminded us, that under the backstop, it just might be that the EU levy some special taxes (on Ireland or whatever?) - which we might get to be on the receiving end of. Then we might get to receive "taxation without representation". Annexe 2. Article 3. Sub-section 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6FUeEOcApw

Nevertheless, some sort of 'backstop' is required. TM has not been negotiating well at all. She merely wants to coerce her way through her Brexit ministers, the cabinet and the EU too. She didn't seem to want anything back in return for her £39 bn. Nobody seems to know exactly what it is for.

EL - you and i choose to disagree, but no matter