Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Alf waffling is assuably a sign of his total inability to engage intelligently.

Exec.

Do you mean TM is a short-sighted stubborn incompetent?

Fred that sounds like a disciption of Alf 😃

Exec , there is no need of a back stop from a UK perspective it's there for the sake of the EU only.

We have said we will not put up a hard border so it's their problem if there is no deal and they know it. Ireland won't put up a hard border either so they get us to sign up for this crappy back stop deal.

Most of the rest of the deal I can live with for now but the back stop is one step too far.

I was not convinced by Gove's interpretation although the out comes he suggest are probably possible I think they are highly unlikely in reality.

If the deal gets passed you can bet your bottom dollar on us ending up having to use it or it being used as a major tool against us in trade negotiations.

Best outcome in the weeks ahead is May goes and the party gets behind a new leader who gives the EU an ultimatum that the back stop goes or we walk away on the 29th March with no deal and we start new negotiations from there.

Stan can stick his second referendum where the sun doesn't shine as whatever the result it won't solve a thing whichever way you vote.

Another leave vote and we are back where we are now and a remain vote and we spend another two years arguing about the terms we stay in on while leavers campaign for another referendum.

Really Dilbert, I did think that you'd know how these things work by now!!!

After the Great British public have returned the correct vote in the next referendum, that'll be it. You'll be staying in the EU, there won't be any more referenda, and you'll just have to get over it, because no prime minister will ever be stupid enough again to think the public are capable of making the right decision.

Lol Hils , if there was another referendum the question should be the EUs deal or clean break.

There shouldn't be one and there won't be one largely due to no one being able to agree on the question.

Both main parties only have a mandate to leave the EU and it'll happen in 115 days time one way or another.

And it's you who need to get over it :-)

On verra, Dilbert. ;o)

CNG - It is not about the decision now - it is now about credibility and accountability. Once you ask the people, then you follow their wishes, and not turn and twist to try to get a result that you think is best for the people because they never voted the way you wished they would, on the false basis that they were clueless (even if 48% were).

The public in my view think the EU is nothing more than a parasitic being, that has to be cut off regardless of the short term pain and damage to the body.

The parasite will live off of you, bleeding you dry, better to cut off a limb than be infected for life.

Are you willing to live not knowing if or when the parasitic being will ever leave, or would you rather cut off an arm and know your free from suffering for an unknow period of time, maybe for ever.

EL, I have nothing personal against Fred or any other poster but you cannot deny that Gove stuck the knife in the back of Boris, for his own ends. While he might be a nice bloke, I would not want to fight with him at my back, as I think he would be more likely to shoot anyone in the back than those they are fighting in front of them, if he though he could gain power by doing so, based on his past performance.

Speaking of Fred, he is at least consistent.

Hils :-)

Dil's hope for the future.

Mark Carney at it again with his doom and gloom about City Job losses - the public will not care about them.

Food price up 10% and so on - really happy chap is he not.

Increase in car prices - so he says - if the market slows the competition increases and the prices that you pay might well drop, even if the ticket price rises.

Why do they keep pullimg him in, if it is not to spread fear by providing him with a window of oppotunity to down the UK, if it is not to try to get the public to stay in the EU?

Maybe Trump would say FAKE NEWS!!

Ct

"...........but you cannot deny that Gove stuck the knife in the back of Boris, for his own ends."

Perhaps Gove changed his mind about supporting Boris back then when they competed for the Leadership. Just like lots of us are changing our minds about supporting Theresa May now.

JRM has also been EXTREMELY LOYAL towards TM. However, things change and now he has changed his stance.

I don't think you can keep holding stuff like that against someone. We all of us have to move on.

Hils

'on verra' = we'll see. N'est ce pas? By 'eck, lass. Thou art truly much Euro-finated these days. What with spouting off these French phrases and stuff. ;-)

And you really do think we aren't going to leave? Mama mia! Quelle horreur!

My £5 says we are.
My £10 says we are NOT going to have another Referendum on it, either.

EL

You can put whatever spin on it as you wish, each to their own, love is blind but love him or hate him, you know they say "too clever by half" or he could be too smart for his own good, as some on these threads also seem to do - thinking they have superior minds because of their eductation, or because they have made vast sums of money compared to the working man in the street or in a mundane factory job.

One must question, who is more dishonest and currupt - the Tories or Labour - well at the moment in time I would have to say that the Tories and TM look the least trustworthy.

It is interesting to me that some prominent Brexiters including John Redwood and Reese Mogg have interest in Investment Funds outside the UK.

Which way are they betting?

Fred if you were responsible for other peoples money would you not agree that it is wise to hedge your bets and spread your investment funds wide, as you are saying JP & RM have done.

Do you not hold funds/property in other dominions, and a private aircraft to get the hell out of the UK if or when the next war takes place?

Who we going to war with CT, Scotland ?

No Wales if your not careful 😀

next serious war will be about the control of water

Manuel,

In that case, it will probably be your own!