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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

required field - 04 Dec 2018 18:56 - 10503 of 12628

(By the way an Emu is : a large Australian long-legged bird that cannot fly)…..that appeared quite a lot on Des tonight …..

Cerise Noire Girl - 04 Dec 2018 19:01 - 10504 of 12628

Doc sans Proc,

My £5 says we are.
My £10 says we are NOT going to have another Referendum on it, either.


Stick a few noughts on and I'll take the other side. Avec plaisir!!

:o)

Stan - 04 Dec 2018 19:09 - 10505 of 12628

Or looking at it another way Fred ...the Government are in the tihs.

Fred1new - 04 Dec 2018 19:10 - 10506 of 12628

Ummh.

Martini - 04 Dec 2018 19:18 - 10507 of 12628

No deal it is then

required field - 04 Dec 2018 19:19 - 10508 of 12628

They love hushing things up in this country....

Cerise Noire Girl - 04 Dec 2018 19:20 - 10509 of 12628

Can I withdraw my offer to take the other side of your bet, Doc? I've just looked at the news, and it looks like Parliament no longer need another referendum to exit the Brexit process.

How many days now till you decide to stay, Dilbert?

:o)

required field - 04 Dec 2018 19:25 - 10510 of 12628

I always said at the very start that Cameron was wrong to agree to a referendum....right... now having said that he could have just let the Tory party split in two....but he has given us (credit to him)…..the right to choose the EU or not.....well this is the result....but the exit negotiations look like a shambles....

Cerise Noire Girl - 04 Dec 2018 19:27 - 10511 of 12628

Oh, and now Nige has quit. Turns out he's had a better job offer from Peckham Used Cars.

required field - 04 Dec 2018 19:39 - 10512 of 12628

Must be a Milwall fan then....

ExecLine - 04 Dec 2018 23:01 - 10513 of 12628

Bummer, Hils!

Since we cannot duck out of leaving the EU on the 29th March 2019 without a change in the law, I was going to up my £5 into a rather ambitious, say £50,000.

And the £10 similarly, into say £100,000. No way is this government going to allow another Referendum on leaving the EU.

So our bet is off then. Ah well.

:-(

ExecLine - 04 Dec 2018 23:09 - 10514 of 12628

And all bets are off, if we get a 'Prime Minister Corbyn', too.

;-)

Dil - 05 Dec 2018 00:34 - 10515 of 12628

114 days to go Hils.

Can't wait to see the legal advice on the back stop. Bit of luck she'll quit when it shows the Attorney General advised her that it's a one way ticket to nowhere.

Stan - 05 Dec 2018 06:07 - 10516 of 12628

A lot shorter then 114 days to go to the 1st "Informed Referendum" now ... you know it makes sense Dil -):

ExecLine - 05 Dec 2018 09:07 - 10517 of 12628



And also:

Apparently, we can cancel Brexit. That’s what the advocate general to the court of justice of the EU, Europe’s highest court, advised this morning.

The advocate general, Manuel Campos Sánchez-Bordona, said that the UK can cancel its article 50 notice unilaterally. This means that if our own parliament decides that our interests are best served by remaining, the EU cannot stand in our way.

His decision is not certain to be followed by the full court – which has yet to announce when it will give its judgment – but courts follow their advocate general in the overwhelming majority of cases. And if it does here, we are much more likely to stay in the EU.

Cerise Noire Girl - 05 Dec 2018 09:16 - 10518 of 12628

You forgot to mention, Doc, that following one of last night's votes, if Maggie Dismay loses next week's vote as is widely expected, Parliament now decides the next course of action rather than the Government.

That effectively means that the Gammons' No Deal is no longer an option. Quelle dommage!!

ExecLine - 05 Dec 2018 09:17 - 10519 of 12628

Andrea Leadsom says it is her firm political opinion that, since the backstop is so detrimental to the interests of the EU, that it would not be allowed by the EU to kick in anyway.

She says, the whole problem now is that there is no particular clear majority for any deal. This is because the whole problem of leaving the EU is so complicated.

Thus, on March 29th, it's either:

1. The PM's deal or
2. No deal

because there are no other deal son the table.

ExecLine - 05 Dec 2018 09:18 - 10520 of 12628

Posts cross....

Ha ha ha.

:-)

ExecLine - 05 Dec 2018 09:21 - 10521 of 12628

Dominic Raab says we should merely put (cobble) our best deal together, go to the EU and tell them, "Take it or Leave it'.

I thinks that's the best answer now. Parliament does a series of votes, etc, etc.

Cerise Noire Girl - 05 Dec 2018 09:35 - 10522 of 12628

Somebody should tell Dominic Raab that major political battles are always fought and won on the middle ground, and that extremist views of one persuasion or another have no place in modern society.
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