Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

You don't have to go as far back as 1962 for a losing party to leave a note..
It happened in 2010 when Labour got kicked out for
the desertion and betrayal of the indigenous working people.....

Typical "Con" Party dreamers... Even their so called "super Mac" Macmillan warned about selling off the family silver under Thatcher.

.. Once a Tory always a Tory.

Stan is just a buffoon.

Almost every time the Conservatives have left office they have left the economy in very good shape. Over the following years Labour's tax and spend and then borrow and spend has put us in bad shape.

8 former US Treasury Secretaries said it would be in America's interest if Brits voted to remain in the EU. That's nice. Never mind the interests of we Brits.
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Don't you just love that self interested two-faced liar Clegg, according to him if we LEAVE it would jeapardise the very existence of the UK.
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He is right in terms of Scotland leaving the UK.

That's got to seal it then, a double whammy, no tax to the €uroballs, and no tax subsidies to the jocks.


Clear winner!

Obama is pushing the TTIP talks and the investor court which would arbitrate disputes between companies and governments. Some see it as a way to claw back consumer protection rights in favour of corporate interest. German judges have declared the proposed court as illegal but I daresay they have as much power as our lot.
There are possible impacts to the NHS in that procurement rules may force it to contract out services or spin them off as mutuals.
Another issue where too little is known about the full implications.

Maudling 1964,

He served at the Treasury and when the Tory government fell in 1964 he was made private secretary to James Callaghan, the incoming Labour chancellor. When Callaghan arrived he found a note from Reggie Maudling, his Tory predecessor. It read: "Good luck old cock. Sorry to leave it in such a mess." Much the same sentiment but written in a more beguiling way than the letter left by Labour's Liam Byrne for his coalition successor last month saying there was no money.


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2010 was after a world economic crash.
In the period 2008-2010 the UK was recovering slightly.

After 2010, when Labour lost the election and your Georgie Boy took over the economy turned down again until a U-turn on economic policy was taken.

Biscuit tin economics was not working.

Get the facts right.

Have a look at treasury economic figures.

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The Present con party consists of 4 at least, fragmented self-interested groups who corruptly use political expense money to pervert the course of the last GE election.

I think Cameron and Crosby knew what they were doing and are liars and should be prosecuted.

The morality of the present con party stinks.

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C+P to the "Talk to yourself" thread.

Of course, most people in blighty haven't even heard of this deal. (TTIP)

And with Dave negotiating it, it's got to be a loser for joe public.



http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-usa-trade-idUSKCN0XI0AT

All been kicking off here today , iv'e got a good one for you ....

David Cameron was met with cries of “racist” in the House of Commons as he joined attacks on Labour’s London mayoral candidate after he claimed that Sadiq Khan had links to a supporter of Islamic State.

Typical Labour, Cameron (who is not in my favour at the moment) says that two bit little shit Sadiq Khan has links to extremists (which he does) and gets called a racist by the loony left ..

Ah yes Reginald "dodgy" Maudling Tory MP... he of "Poulsongate".

2517GEORGE (1055), Yes but boy Clegg is protecting his pension...
Not sure if he's drawing it at the moment but he worked at EU HQ,
so he's another who CAN'T criticize his past masters...

Absolutely grannyboy, Mandelson is the same, self serving b------s.
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.. I blame Teddy boy.

The average person in the street hasn't got a clue as to whether we are better in or out , as you can see there are issues so complex we don't even know about . I suspect they are going to be sick and tired of the whole affair by polling day .The out campaign have to get a grip of these people and put across the simpler issues that will affect the majority .

Talking about Glegg , in the TV spats he said we don't know how many come in the country , but half of them go back . Pure genius , or total plonker .

It's in the Graun, so it must be true!




Why our landed gentry are so desperate to stay in the EU



Giles Fraser

Thursday 21 April 2016 16.46 BST


The common agricultural policy takes from the poor and gives to the rich. Its effects can be felt in every British household, and seen in the deadly waters of the Mediterranean too




‘A massive 38% of the entire 2014-20 EU budget is allocated as subsidies for European farmers. It is far and away the biggest item of euro expenditure, about €50bn a year.’ Photograph: Stuart Black/Alamy


The estate agent Carter Jonas established its reputation running the estates of the Marquess of Lincolnshire. “Some of the biggest property owners in the country are our loyal clients,” boasts its website. And, in a recent poll of these landowning clients, 67% of them said that Britain should stay in the EU.

So why all this Euro-enthusiasm in the Tory heartlands and among the landed gentry? “Should the UK vote to leave the EU, the CAP subsidies will likely be reduced,” Tim Jones, head of Carter Jonas’s rural division, explained. Thank you, Tim, for putting it so clearly. We understand.

A massive 38% of the entire 2014-20 EU budget is allocated as subsidies for European farmers. It is far and away the biggest item of euro expenditure, about €50bn a year. If these billions were being used to prop up a heavy industry – steel, for example – then the neoliberals would be up in arms, complaining like mad that if an industry can’t cope with a free market then it should be left to die. Creative destruction, they call it. But, for some reason, when it comes to agriculture, different rules apply.



Farms are not called “uneconomic” in the same way that pits and factories are. So every British household coughs up about £250 a year and hands it over to the EU, which hands it over to people like the Duke of Westminster – already worth £7bn himself. In 2011, the duke received £748,716 in EU subsidies for his various estates. So, too, Saudi Prince Bandar (he of the dodgy al-Yamamah arms deal), who pocketed £273,905 of EU money for his estate in Oxfordshire. The common agricultural policy is socialism for the rich. It’s a mechanism to buttress the aristocracy – who own a third of the land in this country – from the chill winds of economic liberalism.



More: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2016/apr/21/why-our-landed-gentry-are-so-desperate-to-stay-in-the-eu

good balanced article! :-)

I believe the aforementioned Nick Clegg is also a beneficiary, along with DC and other countless MP's of all colours.
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