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Dubious sell-off     

ellio - 15 May 2006 09:10

The market seems to be selling-off on the back of limited bad news imo, apart from the dollar that is.

If you can hold your nerve and apart from any short term requirements to offload poor performing stocks, I have a couple!!, my advice would be sit tight. This does not have the feel of the tech(mining!) bubble at all. Difference being there are a lot of good fundamentals, unlike in 2000 when there were a lot of over rated nothing companies.

snappy - 19 May 2006 12:30 - 106 of 1564

where's there's volatility there's money to be made

cynic - 19 May 2006 12:39 - 107 of 1564

snappy .... and if you can make money, you can also lose it!

However, I would love some retort or comment to my post 103 (above)

Strawbs - 19 May 2006 12:59 - 108 of 1564

I'm sure I could've been in and out of the market either sooner or later. Same with buying or selling. If I was that good I'd make a living out of it. :-)

When I sold off ahead of the tech bubble it was more fear of losing some very big profits, rather than any massive insight. It felt right to be out. A gut feeling thing I guess. The same feeling hit me recently. Watching my BHP shares going wildly up and down in a range all day, just gave me that sinking feeling again. So I did the same as last time. In fact after writing my last post, I decided to take advantage of the current rally and sell my remaining stock. I suddenly remembered the hand of history again. Maybe the market will continue to rise, or maybe the fall is already upon us. Who knows. I guess I'll just sleep better at night knowing I'm out of the action for now.

As for shorting, I've never been much of a "trader". My system works well for me, and I fear trying to learn a new technique now just means giving back all my profits. Something I don't want to do.

I'll continue to keep an eye on the market, and if I can see some genuine bargains then I'll be back. At the moment though, my fear is more dominant than my greed. Maybe I scare too easy. Only time will tell. Good luck with your investments.

Stawbs.

goldfinger - 19 May 2006 13:04 - 109 of 1564

I think posters should have a look at the BA results on the front page here.

lets not forget they have had massive increases in fuel costs, but as it hurt them, I think not.

Theres just too much panic around.

goldfinger - 19 May 2006 13:08 - 110 of 1564

In fact Ill post it here.........

BA tops expectations
MoneyAM
British Airways has reported a better-than-expected 21% increase in full year pretax profit.

The numbers were driven by growth in passengers travelling in premium price seats.

For the year to March 31st 2006, BA made a pretax profit of 620m, compared to analyst expectations of 548m-602m and 513m last time.

Full year operating profit also topped hopes, increasing 27% to 705m compared to analyst expectations of 666m-704m.

Pretax profit for the fourth quarter was 91m, ahead of analysts' consensus hopes of 51m and versus a 6m loss last time.

Fourth quarter operating profit was 93m compared to analysts consensus expectations of 77m and 46m last time.

Full year operating margin was 8.3%, up from 7.2% and was 4.4% in the fourth quarter, versus 2.5%.

Group turnover for the year was 8.52bn, up 9.6% on a flying programme 2.4% bigger in available tonne kilometers (ATKs).

For the fourth quarter, group turnover was up 13.2% at 2.12bn on a flying programme 2.2% higher in ATKs.

'These are good results with revenue performance driven by improvements in seat factors and yield,' said CEO, Willie Walsh.

'We achieved an operating margin of 8.3% and as a result all our staff will share in a 48m bonus. We remain committed to our goal of reaching a 10% margin by 2008. Our shorthaul business is now in profit for the first time in 10 years but we have still more to do.'

Net debt at 1.6bn fell by 1.3bn during the year, a 5bn reduction since its December 2001 peak. Operating cashflow was 1.3bn, an increase of 334m.

BA's total costs increased 8.2%. The annual fuel bill rose 44.7% to 1.6bn, while employee costs were up 5%.

The airline revealed the accounting deficit in the New Airways Pension Scheme (NAPS) is up by 101m to 2.1bn, despite the company's increased contributions and equity markets at a five year high.

'We have announced our proposal to tackle the pension deficit and I am pleased with the dialogue we have had with staff, trustees and trade unions on this vital issue,' said Walsh.

Strawbs - 19 May 2006 13:50 - 111 of 1564

Looks OK. Although it's not one of my sectors, so I don't really know. The question I would be asking is how much will the debt repayments cost next year with maybe another 1/2 % or more on interest rates. Continued high oil and energy prices, possibly slowing consumer demand due to the same factors on industry and consumers (e.g higher personal/company debt repayments, energy costs). These things are cummulative. Maybe my thinking is different because of my investment stratergy. I look for improving prospects to be "in" when the crowd get interested, rather that "in" when things look rosey. Who knows. Investing is a personal choice, and people need to go with their own instincts. Just my point of view at the end of the day.

Strawbs.

cynic - 19 May 2006 14:06 - 112 of 1564

Strawbs - you may like to check out Mark Shipman who has recently written a very interesting book on investing in commodities

Strawbs - 19 May 2006 14:09 - 113 of 1564

Thanks. I'll take a look. Can you give me an overview?

Strawbs.

cynic - 19 May 2006 14:13 - 114 of 1564

He is an active trader who actually makes his living trading commodities. He argues that straight commdities, rather than shares in mining etc, will always in the long term go up, though he agree with me, when I e-mailed him last week that commodities - e.g. copper and gold - were well overdue for a substantial correction; why did I not take my own advice? ..... He highlights in particular the growing needs for commodities in the developing economies, especially China (of course) and India .

He has a web page trend-follower.com

Strawbs - 19 May 2006 14:22 - 115 of 1564

OK. Sounds interesting. I'll take a look.

Strawbs.

ellio - 19 May 2006 14:33 - 116 of 1564

Conspiracy theory???

Artificially created sell-off, warning shot to lots of small investors, don't want too many private investors making too much money. There has been alot of money pumped back into the markets recently, they don't want to kill the investment flat again.

The theory is that investments are best left to the profesionals, I think thats what they were trying to do. The mm's just go and make it look worse by marking everything down ridulously and making it look worse than it actually is.

Still time will tell.

Strawbs - 19 May 2006 14:46 - 117 of 1564

Worked with me. :-) But as you say. Only time will tell.

Strawbs.

cynic - 19 May 2006 14:54 - 118 of 1564

Ellio .... what a load of rubbish!

soul traders - 19 May 2006 15:08 - 119 of 1564

Putting it more diplomatically, Ellio, that's an interesting thought, but it may indicate that you've been thinking about the issue a little too much.

hewittalan6 - 19 May 2006 15:21 - 120 of 1564

Actually, I have been chatting to my stockbrokers, Elvis & JFK Ltd, in Roswell, New Mexico, and they think Ellio may have a point.
;-)
Alan

soul traders - 19 May 2006 15:22 - 121 of 1564

I've seen their ads in the Daily Sport . . . .

cynic - 19 May 2006 15:39 - 122 of 1564

Americans in particular are obsessed with conspiracy theories from the assassination of JFK onwards ..... Not sure it is not just another aspect of modern society where there is great reluctance to accept responsibility for our own actions

jimmy b - 19 May 2006 16:17 - 123 of 1564

Don't anyone start on about Elvis ,i know he's alive ! .

bristlelad - 19 May 2006 18:10 - 124 of 1564

ha/ who is his this ELVIS GUY??

goldfinger - 20 May 2006 01:35 - 125 of 1564

Cynic, you saying that JFK wasnt a conspiracy then???????????????.

What about the magic bullet or have you not seen that or beleive one bullet can deviate 5 times in different directions within the human mass?.

Responsibilities for ones own actions? , well yes I agree with you on that point especially within the Oilys and commodities sectors but then again I saw the bubble bursting here many months ago , why should I take on the negative impacts inflicted on perfectly sound and value stocks well away from these sectors.

The MMs as per usual just take the mick and earn a very good bonus at the year end, lets face it summer trade to them is basic salary most years.

Turnover to them is critical.
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