for more information about stanelco click on the links.

driver's research page link
http://www.moneyam.com/InvestorsRoom/posts.php?tid=7681#lastread
website link
http://www.stanelco.co.uk/index.htm

more smoke and mirrors from SE0 - IMO - this cigarette filter - if they were serious - the RNSs would say its sold and how much - not plan to sell - if anyone thinks that the tobacco industry will pay billions in machine and design costs to use Biotec filters - then they are stupid - the backlash of changing - the most important part of a cigarette - which controls the flavour and delivery - away from standard - the most it will get - IMO - is 100,000 US$ for IP parking - no more - its all for ramping and hyping - released this week so the tipsters can ramp it - like SM+RHPS - its a dummy throw - to hide the fact - that Greenseal - is failing to be purchased - and more losses are coming - that might require another placing for more cash - the tipsters need something to ramp - they keep saying buy more from 30p - to 25p - to 20p - and can now say buy more on more ramp at 15p

All IMO - DYOR

it looks ready to break down big time - be careful not to get ramped in - if they have sales of greenseal of 200 or more - then price ok at 8p - if not - it can fall more than that - IMO

Down again, I did try to warn you.

oh goodie you two have reappeared.

Since then, EarthShell has courted a number of potential partners, including Green Earth Packaging of Malaysia and Meridian Business Solutions from the Bay Area, but those deals have fallen by the wayside and the missteps involved have eaten up a lot of time and money.

However, Mr. Houston rejects suggestions that the company would have been better off doing the manufacturing itself, even though it did reach the stage of setting up a pilot production line and followed with a trial run of about 50 million units for McDonald's and Wal-Mart.

"Our concept was always to have others do the manufacturing," he said, adding that part of any deal involves EarthShell working "hand in hand" with the licensee to provide training and marketing and to support the products' underlying environmental claims.

In those earlier trials, EarthShell made more than 20 million clamshell containers for McDonald's and a similar number of other environmentally friendly items for sale through various Wal-Mart outlets.

Although the products were well-received, production hiccups with Sweetheart and Green Earth meant manufacturing equipment was not in place to satisfy demand.

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Petroleum's surge hits more than gas

"Seems like every bill we get has a fuel surcharge tacked onto it," says Bowman, co-owner of Bowman & Landes, a turkey farm north of Dayton, Ohio, that produces 60,000 gobblers annually that are sold at Kroger and biggs.

"Just the other day we had a delivery out of Dayton, a 50-gallon drum of chlorine. It came from five miles away, and it had a $27 surcharge. That's not a delivery charge, either, that was a surcharge. It was highway robbery."

But there wasn't much Bowman could do about it.

From plastic wrapping on holiday toys to grain used to feed the hogs, turkeys and beef that will end up on the dinner table, higher petroleum prices are likely to bring consumers and businesses a costlier Christmas this year.

How much more costly? Consider the Thanksgiving turkey. If the average turkey weighs 15 pounds, a nickel-a-pound increase on the 60,000 birds in the Bowman & Landes flock will bring the company about $45,000 more than last year to cover expenses.

But in the meantime, diesel prices have increased by 150 percent, and with wheat, corn and soybeans on 2,000 acres that must be planted and harvested, any increase in turkey prices will quickly disappear into higher expenses, Bowman said.

Analysts agree.

"If the price stays high and stays volatile, gasoline may be the grinch this year," said Phil Rist, vice president of strategy for BIGResearch, a Columbus-based consumer intelligence firm that surveys 7,000 consumers every month. "It may have a big impact on the holidays."

Rist wonders how long producers such as Bowman can resist raising prices.

"All companies are eventually going to have to pass (gasoline price increases) to the consumer," Rist said. "At the same time, they are going to have to keep prices competitive. Consumer confidence is the lowest we've seen since 2003."

According to the National Retail Federation, holiday retail sales are expected to increase 5 percent over last year, bringing holiday spending to $435.3 billion. Last year, holiday sales rose to $414.7 billion, a 6.7 percent increase over 2003 spending.

Experts expect some consumers to get more sensible with their gift-giving this year thanks to rising fuel costs.

"I think around my house we might see a few more sweaters as gifts this Christmas," said Daniel M. Driehaus, a Pleasant Ridge resident and account executive with Schiff, Kreidler-Shell Insurance. "With home heating costs increasing, we will be lowering our thermostat by a few degrees this holiday season."

Gas prices have not changed his buying decisions so far, said Driehaus, 33. "I take the bus to work about three times a month," he said. "That motivation is driven as much by the desire to be environmentally conscious as it is by gas prices."

One word: plastic

With most gifts wrapped in plastic at the store, fulfillment companies that produce plastic and manufacturers that rely on plastic for raw materials have been hit by the boost in petroleum-derivative prices.

Plastic is made from resin, and resin in the United States is usually derived from natural gas, which has seen large increases in prices, said George Thomas, vice president and general manager of the flexible group for Ampac LLC, a flexible packaging company headquartered in Cincinnati with manufacturing plants in eight other cities.

"We've seen resin prices rise close to 40 percent between August and mid-September," Thomas said. "That's a significant and almost unprecedented increase. It translates into a direct increase in packaging prices."

Because Hurricane Katrina took down Louisiana plants that convert natural gas into resin - called "crackers" - that meant Ampac had to seek resin from other sources. The company's revenues are split between its retail/department store bag division and consumer products. Rising demand for resin in turn brought rising plastics prices.

Few industries will escape increases from higher fuel costs, Thomas predicted, particularly anything that must be trucked from source to source or from producer to retail outlet.

"We can't absorb the increases," he said. "We have to pass them on. You can have this same conversation in any consumer good industry that's out there."

Well, not every industry - exactly.

Christmas chocolate prices are not likely to rise this year, said Richard Ross, president of Galerie, a Hebron firm that employs 500 at its manufacturing plan in Northern Kentucky and 1,200 nationwide. Many holiday candy orders were placed nine months ago, long before recent gasoline price increases took effect.

However, Galerie, which provides gift product candies to 55,000 retail outlets in the United States, is likely to bump up prices in negotiations next year as shipping costs from plants in Mexico, China and Wellston, Ohio, have raised the cost of doing business.

"It has raised our freight costs overseas and domestically," Ross said.

Quick Pak, a division of Cincinnati's Multi-Color Corp., held off prices all year, but rising fuel costs from Hurricane Katrina will mean a 6 percent increase for shrink film, bubble wrap and pallet stretch wrap.

Just been reading the latest from Evolution 4 Oct, pm1 might be right on this one, the auction of rights to its starch-based cellulose cigarette filter. The value could be substantial according to EVO and SEO looking for a royalty on the sales is a big bonus imo.

PM1

Thanks for the evo update.

I see the price/target is still based on Greenseal alone.

The starch based cigarrete filter technology looks as though it could be a real winner, and it's easy to see why Evo think that the " value could be substantial".
And as you say, the material cost saving to the industry could be nearer $1.36b
than the $600m they quote. But we may have to wait another year before finding out just how much the industry is prepared to pay for it.

Greenseal seems to be the only fly in the ointment at the moment, and only then because it doesn't appear to be rolling out as quickly as people hoped. Once Stanelco equipe themselves with sufficient tray-lidding machines that can be used to substitute for the ASDA suppliers own machines, whilst they are converted
( thus allowing the packhouses to fullfill their supply contracts without interruption ), the sooner the rollout will gain momentum.

And then there's Starpol!! It's going to be an interesting 12 months.

Cheers

D

driver, evo may be correct, they may also be wrong. the thing i can't get my head around is that, if the ip is worth so much money , why didn't biotec, a loss making company, cash in?

Driver/Dormar Hi,

I am wondering if Biotec will still manufacture the Filter Tow, and sell it to another manufacturer to make the Cigarette Filters from it, distancing themselves a bit from the non-packaging product, and the Cigarette issues.

My reasoning is that Filter Tow has many uses, other than just in Cigarette Filters, and Stanelco might be able to use the starch filter tow in these areas. As I said a feq days ago, I have suggested some ideas for this to HQ.

Also if Stanelco do not make and sell the Filter Tow, someone else will have to, and it just seems like throwing away a possible easy income stream.

Cheers,
PM

Will it affect the taste of the tobacco?

Will it last as long as the exisiting filters?

How will it react to smoke being drawn through it?

Will it stop as much tar as the existing one's?

Will it dissolve on contact with saliva?


No one knows, as I said yesterday the testing for all these things will cost many millions of pounds; shares mag and evo are wrong in assuming it's worth millions as it's untried and untested.

If it really were a goer Biotec would have sold it long ago, just like Isracaps my bet is you'll never hear this idea mentioned ever again.

Smoke and mirrors my friends to detract from no one wanting greenseal.

Bos Hi,

Biotec were losing money, and had to concentrate on their own 'low hanging fruit', no doubt years ago when the project was shelved, the big USA court cases aginst tobacco companies had not happened.

Also as with all environmental or health issues, it takes a lot of time, effort, and resources to make those responsilble change their methods, that is finally happening in the tobacco industry, and if Stanelco tell the world (as they have just done) that the current filters are BAD, and that they have a much cheaper and safer alternative, then tobacco companies will sit up and take notice.

Cheers,
PM

Word reaches me that Masterson has been banned from iii after last nights shenanigans, add that one to his existing bans on fyb and advfn; one wonders how long he'll last here now.

LOL !!

As if anyone believes a word this company says!

Remember isracaps and the court case has no foundation rns's?

"Stanelco tell the world (as they have just done) that the current filters are BAD"

Let us all not forget - that although the increase in oil price is good for seo in one way - it also has an effect on its own cost of raw materials - because the maize has to be bought, planted, fertilized, harvested and shipped before it can be used as the raw product for greenseal - all of these processes themselves involve transport and hence oil.

Accepted that the increase willnot be to the same extent - but lets not loose sight of the fact that the cost of our own raw materials will also increase.

Baza.

Depends how nuch you bait him Sham - I for one value his posts - keep them coming Paul - but please ignore the baiting from others - it just aint worth it.

Baza

Still twice as many buys as there are sells - its only the depressed market that is holding the sp down. Shows that some still see this as a good buying opportunity.

Baza

Baza Hi,

dickhead sham can bait 'til the cows come home .... the squelch has been on for months :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Cheers,
PM

Paul

Can you refrain from using words like "D***head" etc on this board.

As much as Shamona is annoying to plenty he does provide a valuable counter balance to all the positive stuff.

And Shamona, can you please refrain from implying that other people are lying - unless you have documentary proof that you can post on this board

Thanks to you both

The oily one

Paul

I've caught you out so many times I stopped pulling you up about it, I know you read all the posts here.

That ii bans got to hurt, how you going to spend your evenings now?

lol!!