Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

I was in a panties once Fred , Aladdin.

I was bloody good too.














..... Oh yes I was :-)

Dil,

There's no way that Parliament are going to let you leave without a deal. I know that you and the gammon keep banging on about it, but that option really has been off the table since Maggie tried to offer 'strong and stable government' and ended up losing her Commons majority in 2017.

I dunno if they drink coffee in Wales, but you need to smell it.

cynic, yes I could have added bojo(It's well known where his interests lay) and probably 500 other names

I think I've already overdosed on the coffee today Hils.

I think it's the skint EU that won't let us leave without a deal and not Parliament.

At the moment Hils , like it or not , we are leaving with no deal.

No majority for a GE , no majority for another referendum and currently no majority for a deal.

And for you and Stan , there is no majority in the country for a second referendum. Most remainers just want the whole thing over with.

Any second referendum wouldn't see the same numbers voting anyway plus it would take them a year to decide on the question.

Tic toc 109 days to go.

How about an Irish referendum to see if they want to leave with us.

not impossible that the clock will just be stopped for an unspecified time

Not impossible cynic but unlikely.

TM floudering without a hope in hell of changing the legal aggrement - at least at long last they are going to take doing what the public voted for seriously and take steps to leave with No Deal.

TM must go sooner rather than later.

Indeed, give the keys to Jezza!

Theresa,




When does perseverance mean stupidity?

How long will JC last as leader of the Labour Party if he fails to win the next election.

as long as unite want to keep him there

'This government is committed to leaving on the 29th March'.

Be so funny if the remoaners manage to force a clean break with their pathetic antics but will serve them right.

Dil,

Do you foresee yourself in the broker's yard with the government, if it happens?

I see it as the best outcome and nothing to be unduly worried about.

We can then start negotiations on a decent trade deal with the eu if they want one.

Corbyn was offered the chance to put a workable alternative forward this afternoon and guess what .... silence.

After tearing up a contract, who would trust the UK again?

T May is similar to Donald Trump, power at any price and to hell with honesty and anybody who disagrees with her.

The UK is not trusted by many now, but the demonstration in the HP will make it appear less reliable in any contract making.

I think she should call a new general election and resign.

At the time manifestoes of all parties should be explicit and a new (informed) referendum could be carried out at the same time as that election.

The Brexit or Breakit could be postponed for 2-3 months.

Just accept the vote Fred 52% voted Leave.

Talk about the kettle calling the frying pan black when you speak about Labour.

A contract not ratified.

Corbyn is more like Trump , both cuckoo.

The EU isn't even trusted by its own members let alone the rest of the world.

What you think is not her concern.

Both manifestos were clear at the last election , to leave the eu

29th March is fine but a six month transition period for managed no deal would be sensible.

Have a good evening Fred.

Dil,

You may be happy to live with your mistakes, I still try to recognise them and correct them and associated actions.

I see no pride in persevering if I made a poor choice.

Pride has never bought me a meal.


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My feeling about JC is that he is happy to watch T. May dig a deep enough hole to bury herself and as many of her fellow party members as it will hold.

I think he will/would accept staying the EU as it is more beneficial for the UK economy to stay in it.

(I think he is a socially minded pragmatist more than an ideologist. The first is difficult enough without being idealistic.)

(The labeling of him a communist and xenophobic are tory party and media smears. Similar to that done to Milliband.)

But, possibly, he would prefer not to chance failing on a "No Confidence" vote, as it might unite the tories (Right wing, neo-cons and left-wings of the tories) who are more interested in their own pockets than the pockets of all in society.

If May continues to make a mess, as she appears to be doing, he and labour will have a better chance of winning such a vote.

Also, he will also be able to refer it back to a referendum with the presentation of ALL the available information.

But I would prefer a labour, SNP, Lib/Dem coalition government to sort out the mess which has been created.