This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

Barwoni. so what enlightened country are you a citizen?

SUDAN//////////ME THINKS////

Time permitting, always happy to read everybody's postings. As long as it didn't get too personally abusive which is neither educational nor fun to read.

If there are genuine threat to UK from within, then Blair has made the threat more serious and us less well prepared. Blair has some merits but just image what UK will be like if everyone use Blair as a role model :-(

I want the troops back now, nearer to what and who they are suppose to protect.
And not wasting wealth and sacrificing lives in vain. It is not a private army.

axdpc Minimum 4,000 foreign insurgent fighters killed in Iraq.........Iraq is a vacuum for these nutters, the army is in the right place!

yes , yes, but where do you live. It must be such a wonderful place?
What are you ashamed to name the country?
pathetic.
If thats the case. do as earlier suggested and leave the discussion of this countries moral centre , to those with a vested interest in it.

wakeydanky, got to be kept a secret, to keep you undesirables out.........
Give you a clue 99% RC very tough on immigration, lovely clear blue sea.....




A year after the publication of a damning report into Islamic radicalisation among students, Britain's universities have been accused of burying their heads in the sand. Professor Anthony Glees says many vice-chancellors are still failing to confront the issue.

His claim comes 12 months after he named 24 universities where he said extremist groups had been detected.

Sky News' Home Affairs correspondent Rachel Amatt spoke to student Shiraz Maher who was recruited to a radical group at

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Leeds University.

The group's aim is to create an Islamic state in Britain

"One of the things we used to do is organise a dinner for all the new students - spread the members out - steer conversation to the core Hizb ut Tahrir ideology, foreign policy," he said.

"Over the course of dinner we would identify students susceptible to the party's message - they would be closely targeted and followed up in an attempt to recruit."

Maher recently rejected the message of jihad preached by Hizb ut Tahrir. But he offers an alarming insight into the way Islamic radicals operate.

"When they first arrive in the first few weeks what they seek to do is endear themselves to first year students - offer the use of a car, build a strong relationship - essentially one of dependence," he added.

The recruitment drive is not new.

Omar Sharif - the British suicide bomber who in 2003 attacked a busy nightclub in Tel Aviv - is believed to have been radicalised at university in London.

University professor Anthony Glees warned of the problem in his report - When Students Turn To Terror: Terrorist And Extremist Activity On British Campuses - and he believes colleges are refusing to take action.

BAWONI is from israel.
Has to be , or would have admitted it.
Do you think me so sad as to be semitic?
I would'nt lower myself to your standards.

Otherwise he's a prick living in his own dreamworld. WHITE, CHRISTIANS ONLY.

Wrong again davey, black is my favourite colour;-) The white meat is okay after a few hours on the spit or the beach, otherwise not tooo enticing!

ahhhh, so earlier asssumption that you are in fact a failed asylum seeking jihaadist was correct.
anyway.
bye bye and speak to your self. squelched.

Anger Over Muslim PC's Embassy Move


The decision to grant his request for another assignment has been strongly criticised.

Former Flying Squad commander John O'Connor told the Sun: "This is the beginning of the end for British policing.

"When you join the police, you do so to provide a service to the public. If you cannot perform those duties, you leave."

Lord Janner, former president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, said it was the duty of police officers to protect British citizens and their guests.

"It would be a grave error for this to be permitted. Our police force has to protect British people and their guests," he said.

What next, the man took an oath, beejaysus!!!!

Anger is an understatement

How pathetic, and unfortunately a sign of our times. Whats next? soldiers only fighting in wars between particular races or countries. Doctors only treating certain races.
This policeman should be moved all right, to the job centre. Public servants serve the whole community, and that means the whole community. I cant believe that some luny liberal allowed this to become an issue.

Police should exist on the basis of ensuring and enforcing the Queens peace and as such should be 'blind' in the course of their duties, impartiality should be their standard practice.

If an officer who has taken an oath to uphold the law (no matter what his private feelings about the matter) is allowed to 'vote' with and excuse themselves from duties they find distasteful, then we can expect all confidence in the Police to simply disappear, every single tiny pressure group will start claiming discrimination.

The next thing you will hear is white christian youths claiming they were picked on just because the officer was a shihk, Muslim, Hindu, baptist, Jew, and of course Muslim youths saying exactly the opposite.

If your conscience or your beliefs get in the way of doing your duty, then resign and move on, no one should expect positive discrimination as a HR policy - it is totally unacceptable.

From a poster called trade666

Ba,

"If an officer who has taken an oath to uphold the law (no matter what his private feelings about the matter) is allowed to 'vote' with and excuse themselves from duties they find distasteful, then we can expect all confidence in the Police to simply disappear, every single tiny pressure group will start claiming discrimination."

The same arguments were advanced by the prosecutors at the Nuremberg Trials against the pleas of the Nazi hierarchy.

In this particular case I think there was a threat to the safety of his family and if so, I would think it was sensible to allow him to perform elsewhere.

I've got to say, this is a major issue.
fred, I cannot find reference to a threat, but I can find one to morals!!
Does this mean that criminals will now only be arrested if the officer concerned thinks the law is right??
Will a homophobic officer be allowed to miss policing the gay rights marches??
Will officers who support the BNP (and there are many) be allowed a day off from policing when the BNP come to town. Will they have to show there voting cards before guarding the party conferences?
The officer was there to provide for the safety of diplomats residing in London. Their ethnicity is irrelevant to him. Their safety is his job. this officer, and the berk who allowed his appeal, are turning themselves into judge and jury and it must be stopped, fast.
The british police force are a fine body, but to turn them into a pick 'n' mix selection is ridiculous. Imagine the outcry if my police officer friend who is jewish, refused to police areas of Dewsbury which are 90%+ Muslim. He would, quite rightly be drummed out of the force, and quickly.
Alan

So true Alan, but the laws of the land do not permit exclusion of ethnicity within the workplace. What use is a bodyguard who spends an hour a day praying, surely this opens a window for attack and the rule of fitness for purpose should be applied. Does a person have the right to be homophobic and if yes then is this right applied to the workplace also? It would be if religious..

I love this game, are there prizes?

I would hazard a guess that barwoni is from Ireland.

Thats where the liberal arguments fall down, explosive. Well pinpointed.
We all profess to believe in freedom. Of choice, of action, of movement etc.
Hand in hand with the freedoms goes the freedom to take the consequences of our actions or omissions. Without this freedom, all the others mean nothing. The policeman concerned has every right to not police the embassy. He must accept that this right goes hand in hand with the right to lose his job. He has rights to appeal this, which he has rights to lose or win. He has a right to vote as he wishes, if he does not like the laws of the land. He does not have the right to refuse without consequence.
What next? Agrophobic and dyslexic postmen pleading their right to be employed not to deliver mail? Secretaries refusing to type mail they do not agree with? Teachers of a religious bent refusing to teach darwinism?
It is a mind boggling message that has been sent out. i'm terrified my staff will get wind, turn communist and refuse to do any work that may make money for the ruling cadre (me).
I think i'll go check the news item again. On reflection it must have been written by lewis carrol (Very weak pun intended).
Alan

LONDON (Reuters) - Former foreign secretary Jack Straw said Muslim women who wore full veils made community relations "more difficult", sparking criticism from Islamic groups who said the comments would cause anger in their communities.

Straw, now Leader of the House of Commons, said a veil was "a visible statement of separation and difference" and that he felt much more comfortable dealing with

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people with their faces uncovered.
Writing in his local paper, Straw said he was concerned that "wearing the full veil was bound to make better, positive relations between the two communities more difficult".

Straw said he had received a unanimously positive response to his request for Muslim women to take off their veils when they came to see him in Blackburn, the town he represents in parliament.

"Most seem relieved I have asked," he said in his article for the Lancashire Evening Telegraph.


Its when you see the poor women in their full jalabas sweating in a 100 degrees on the beach and having to swim with the full regalia on as well......Bless ! you got to feel sorry for them......

Kriss attacked 'for being white'

The Kriss Donald trial has heard details of his abduction
A 15-year-old Glasgow schoolboy who was stabbed and set on fire was attacked because he was white, according to one of the men who abducted him.
Three men are on trial at the High Court in Edinburgh for the murder of Kriss Donald, they deny all charges.

Zahid Mohammed was jailed for five years in 2004 after admitting he had assaulted Kriss Donald.

Giving evidence in the murder trial, he said the boy pleaded for his life after he was snatched from a street in 2004.

Mohammed, 22, was released on licence on Wednesday.

He was giving evidence on the third day of the trial of Imran Shahid, 29, his brother Zeeshan "Crazy" Shahid, 28, and Mohammed "Beck" Mushtaq, 27, who have denied abducting and murdering Kriss in a racially motivated attack on 15 March, 2004.

He told the court that he had driven around with a group of Asian youths looking for revenge after Imran Shahid had been hit with a bottle in a night club.

Zahid Mohammed said Kriss was punched as his attackers demanded to know who carried out the bottle attack.

Mohammed said that before they left a flat in the Pollokshields area, Imran Shahid - whose nickname is "Baldy" - had threatened that he would look for someone to cut them up and take out their eyes.

'Batter' threat

Advocate depute Mark Stewart QC asked Mohammed: "Look for who?"

Mohammed told him: "Anybody."

Mr Stewart asked: "Did he indicate it was to be a white person?"

Mohammed replied: "Yes."

The witness said that on that afternoon schoolboy Kriss was grabbed and pushed into the footwell of a Mercedes car, where he was punched and threatened.

The court heard that Kriss said: "I am only 15. What did I do?"

Mohammed said "scared" Kriss was driven in the back of the Mercedes towards Parkhead, then to Hamilton and then to Strathclyde Country Park.

On the way, the abductors in the car made mobile phone calls, in Punjabi, in which they wanted to find a place where they could "batter someone".


Zahid Mohammed was released from prison on Wednesday

Mohammed said he left the group in Strathclyde Country Park because he had to comply with a tagging order imposed earlier for carrying a knife and road traffic offences.

The Mercedes drove off with the other men and Kriss still in it.

Mohammed told the court that if Kriss had been black or Asian he would not have been seized.

The men were not looking for anyone in particular, just "boys from McCulloch Street".

Mohammed said he phoned Mr Mushtaq that night to find out what happened and the accused replied that everything was alright.

He asked Mr Mushtaq and Zeeshan Shahid the same question the next day and Mr Shahid said: "He took it quietly."

Imran Shahid has lodged a special defence to the murder charge, blaming Daanish Zahid and Zahid Mohammed and others.

He also faces charges of assaulting detectives and attempting to pervert the course of justice.

The three have denied a further charge of acting in a racially aggravated manner at Edinburgh Sheriff Court.

Zahid Mohammed had admitted assaulting Kriss and telling lies about where he was on the day of the teenager's abduction at a previous hearing in Glasgow.

Defending one of the others, Donald Findlay QC cast doubt on Mr Mohammed's evidence pointing out that two years ago he had been charged with the schoolboy's murder until he agreed to name others.

The trial continues.

I think barwoni is a Nigerian traffic warden.