Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Good point Fred , that'll be great for exports.

Nice to see you looking on the bright side for a change.

Fred if temporay parity with the Euro means jobs, world trade deals and a booming UK - then that is the best outcome for everyone, then soon after the Left Wing loonies would find out the markets would send the GBP northwards and we would enjoy our freedom from the EU and Left Wing for a very long time, as Labour would never get into power.

The BBC’s Andrew Neil says BBC research shows that more than 158 Tory MPs – the threshold – have said they will vote for Theresa May.

But he points out that just because MPs says they will vote for May, that does not necessarily mean they will.

Fred you really hit the nail on the head when you suggested parity could be the short term situation after the clean break - It might even mean that the High Street Shops might weather the storm, as they get overrun with tourists, snapping up the bargains, factories busy, supplying top quality British products, from all sectors be it cars, handbags,fashion just name a few.

did anyone understand the joke and allusion about the inconstant gardener and quite how it applied to corbyn?

fred is the source of all knowledge, so perhaps he can explain

From a fading confused memory, The Constant Gardener by John le Carré and Corbyn having an allotment.

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Dil,

And when you import raw materials etc.. or other goods.

Flash Harry trading!

explanation just appeared on my screen

She also appeared to employ a complicated pun on the name of the shadow trade secretary Barry Gardiner, who has often appeared in the press to deliver Labour's Brexit policy


presumably because labour's stance on brexit varies as does the wind

Manuel,

Your stance on anything seems very variable on everything, must be your wobbly legs.

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T May is self-destructing in public opinion, at the moment all Corbyn has to do is look on as she rides into the Valley.

far from convinced you're right, but all will be revealed in due course and there's bugger all you and i nor anyone else can do to influence

Either or, neither nor?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/12/12/theresa-may-no-confidence-vote-result-conservative-leadership/



From the comment section:



Paul Spradbery
12 Dec 2018 2:17PM





Gove says he is right behind the prime minister.

Could be interesting.




Julian Callendar
12 Dec 2018 2:18PM





@Paul Spradbery

Is he holding anything?

probably either or, but could just as easily be neither nor :-)

I am very much against the so called Deal on the table but, I hope she wins tonight, yes, the mess she is in has largely been created by her, albeit against fierce opposition to Brexit by the Selective Democrat Brigade in Westminster and beyond.

If she loses there is no guarantee that her replacement is as eager to implement Brexit and adamant that no 2nd referendum will take place. So Brexiteers wishing to see her lose, be careful what you wish for.

i'll say it yet again ...... in substance, i am satisfied that the deal struck with brussels was as good as we were going to get ....... many or even most may not like it, but that was always going to be so

all this nonsense that boris or this one one or that one or even limp lettuce himself, could have struck a better deal or will do so if now given just half a chance, is just a load of bollocks

She has had an impossible task and I agree it's very doubtful any one else could have done better against the EU to deliver Brexit, and absolutely stupid to think they could do so now, but why did you vote to Leave if you are now satisfied to be trapped in the customs union?

with severe misgivings as i have admitted

i very much resent being dictated to from brussels by a bunch of plutocrats who pay themselves as much as they like and set any budget that suits

i don't like that some european court can determine whether or not we can deport the likes of abu hamza ...... frankly i care not if he and his ilk are slowly garotted if returned whence they come

i despair that our fish stocks are being raped, though it seems that some uk trawler owners sell their licence/quota to the highest bidder

assuredly i do not wish to find uk swallowed up into some federal europe run from and for the benefit of bonn and paris

i think it is plain barmy to allow an ever expanding membership, many of the newcomers requiring massive subsidies from brussels, a large slab of which comes from uk taxpayers pockets


and so on


did i hope for a better deal than what was achieved?
yes i guess i did, but the majority voted to leave eu and in a bastardised form, that is what has been achieved - if parliament ever lets it through

cynic, the deal is not Brexit it is being tied to the EU by the nuts, with no way out bar giving them even more of what they want - complete control over our country, and our fish stocks etc.

Must have a clean break if we are to be free.

TM must go because if she stays she will have the power to do a deal with remainers in the Labour Party etc. Remember she was a remainer and has given into the EU.

An interesting thing that somebody said to me today is that the Tories can have two leadership contests in as many years, but the Great British public can't have a second vote.

Hmmmm. Even the Vile Undertaker thought there should be a second referendum 7 years ago. Well that's hypocrisy for you!

In a video clip widely-shared on social media the leading Brextremist Jacob Rees-Mogg made the case during a 2011 Commons debate on an EU referendum.

He argued: “It might make more sense to have the second referendum after the renegotiation is completed”.

Jacob Rees-Mogg has since dismissed the idea of a People’s Vote claiming: “It is slightly to my mind contentious of democracy to say, ‘we don’t like the vote so you will vote again, and then you will vote again until you do what we say’”.

In a speech in 2012 David Davis said that the government should spell out what relationship it was seeking with the EU before putting it to the public in a “mandate referendum” and following it up the outcome with a “decision referendum”

What do you expect from the two-faced, duplicitous, hypocritical cabal manipulating "power" at the moment?

What has len McCluskey done now to upset you?