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stanelco .......a new thread (SEO)     

bosley - 20 Feb 2004 09:34

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for more information about stanelco click on the links.

driver's research page link
http://www.moneyam.com/InvestorsRoom/posts.php?tid=7681#lastread
website link
http://www.stanelco.co.uk/index.htm


NielsJensen - 07 Oct 2005 19:42 - 10816 of 27111

oblomov, that shows Paul revealing why he is hoping the next RNS will be good (not that he knows it will be good). Also he is not "implying" that he got the information, he tells you what it was and quotes it. Give it a rest, we both know he is an insane ramper, but he saves us all a lot of Googling time. Read the info you can verify by following the links, then make up your own mind.

paulmasterson1 - 07 Oct 2005 19:44 - 10817 of 27111

Oblomov Hi,

I also said "I fully expect you to do just like you did with all your other baiting questions on FYB, and make this into another endless saga, be my guest, the power of squelch is upon you yet again ...."

Thanks for proving me right again.

Feel free to keep guessing what I do and do not know ....

Wait and see on the next few RNS's, I have not claimed what will be in them, or any of the previous one's, you can decide for yourself when they appear, whether or not they are 'bigger' than the last few .... ie whether my statements were right or wrong, until then I am sticking to discussing Stanelco.

Cheers,
PM

paulmasterson1 - 07 Oct 2005 19:47 - 10818 of 27111


Hi All,

Anyone else fancy discussing Stanelco rather than me ?

Cheers,
PM

paulmasterson1 - 07 Oct 2005 20:09 - 10819 of 27111


Niels Hi,

I googled this just for you :)

Shame about NOP by the way :(

Cheers,
PM

Petrol, petrol everywhere ...

http://www.theage.com.au/news/general/petrol-petrol-everywhere-/2005/10/01/1127804697071.html

In a bid to offset a global oil crisis, industries are rushing to develop cheaper and more environmentally friendly substitutes. By Rachel Wells.

WE ALL know that recent rises in world oil prices are hurting the hip pocket at the petrol pump. But take a look at this picture all of these household items contain petroleum-based products, which means it is only a matter of time before we are also forking out more for them as well. Nappies, fridges, shoes, toys, computers, cars and even everyday food items are set to become more expensive as the cost of oil-based raw materials increases, and transport and distribution soar.

According to Britain's Oil Depletion Analysis Centre, oil not only fuels 95 per cent of land, sea and air transport, and 40 per cent of the world's commercial energy, it is heavily relied upon for food production to run farm machinery and make fertilisers and pesticides. It also supplies feedstock for thousands of manufactured products, including plastics, clothing, medicines and building materials.

"We rely very heavily on oil-based materials for our everyday life. Everywhere you look, for example, there are plastics, and nearly all plastics come from oil," says Professor David Solomon, of the department of chemical and biomolecular engineering at the University of Melbourne.

"Most polymers, or plastics, we use are derived from oil including things like kids' toys, shoes, some clothing, the paint we use on our houses, the bumper bars on our cars, floor coverings like vinyl and some carpets, most of the plastic containers we use for food and drinks, the garden hose, the benchtop, the computer, all the detergents we use, food packaging, the PVC pipes in our plumbing, bike helmets, I could go on and on," he says. "Every seat at the MCG, for example, would be moulded from petrol-based plastic."

Until now, most companies have managed to absorb the increasing costs of petroleum-based raw materials, as well as the added energy and distribution costs, but industries are now saying these will have to be passed on to consumers.

Ross Hearne, general manager, corporate services, for Kimberly-Clark Australia makers of nappies, sanitary products, tissues, toilet paper and other household items says price hikes are inevitable.

"Because we use polypropylene polymers, which are oil-based, we've been hit by higher raw material prices, coupled with increased transportation and delivery costs, driven by the increased fuel prices," he says. "It's a competitive market and we've largely absorbed those costs to date but if oil prices keep rising it will have to be passed on to consumers eventually."

Julie Kearns, marketing director for toy-maker Mattel, says it is just a matter of time before the company lifts the price of toys , many of which are made from petroleum-based plastics. "Like most companies, we are very aware of the impact higher oil prices might have and, unfortunately, they do invariably get passed on to consumers in the form of price rises," says Kearns. "We will be assessing that possibility going into next year."

Most of Mattel's products are manufactured in China and Indonesia, as well as Mexico, and are distributed world-wide, meaning the company has also been hit by added distribution costs.

Mark Fink, vice-president of the Australasian Bioplastics Association, says manufacturers are seriously considering bioplastics as an alternative, as the price of oil-based plastics rises, and the industry comes to realise that the world's oil supply will eventually run out.

"A couple of years ago all the interest was about waste disposal, about products being biodegradable and compostable, now everyone is interested in using renewable resources," says Fink.

Bioplastics have similar properties to conventional petrochemical plastics, but they use renewable resources and are biodegradable. They are made using cellulose derivatives found in wood, cotton, starch and vegetable oils.

Stuart Bateman, from the CSIRO's polymer composites and nanomaterials team, says interest in bioplastics will continue to grow as oil prices rise and alternatives become more affordable. "As the price of crude oil becomes more and more expensive, the attractiveness of these materials becomes more obvious," he says.

Bateman and Fink say that packaging has been the main application for bioplastics in Australia. "Packaging has been the first focus for most companies, given that 40 per cent of the plastic used in Australia is used in packaging," says Fink. "Most packaging is single-use or has a short shelf life and therefore most environmental issues are around packaging rather than durable products like computer casing or bumper bars."

Research and development into bioplastic alternatives for more durable products, such as electronics and car parts, is growing. "More and more bio-derived materials are being used in durables, particularly overseas," says Fink. In Japan, Sony has used a bioplastic a corn-based polyactide, a plastic derived from lactic acid in some of its CD players, as well as its wrapping and packaging.

Biodegradable materials using sugar cane, corn and sweet potatoes are also being developed to replace conventional plastics in cars. Toyota has been working on bioplastics since 2001. Its ES3 concept car of 2002 had interior panels and door pillar trims made from a bioplastic derived from sweet potato starch. Mats in its Raum model, sold in Japan, are made from a bioplastic material called Eco-Plastic. Toyota says the cost of the process is only marginally higher than for conventional petroleum-based plastics.

Locally, Queensland University of Technology has teamed up with the Sugar Research Institute in Mackay to develop sugar cane strains that will allow large-scale production of bioplastics suitable for car parts, such as dashboards, and in paints and varnishes. The CSIRO is also involved in research and development for bioplastics for durable items such as car parts.

paulmasterson1 - 07 Oct 2005 20:12 - 10820 of 27111


And then there's this little 'gem' ....


Fujitsu Computer Cases World's First to Use Plant-Based Plastic


Fujitsu Limited, Fujitsu Laboratories, Ltd. and Toray Industries, Inc. announced on January 13, 2005 that they have jointly developed the world's first large personal computer cases made of environmentally friendly bioplastics. The plastic is used in Fujitsu's spring 2005 model FMV-BIBLO NB80K notebook computers.

The material contains polylactic acid and is a bioplastic made from lactic acid derived from fermented starches and sugars from corn and potatoes. To use this plant-based material in computer cases and find further applications, the three companies have been working together to improve its heat and flame resistance. They faced difficulties, however, in using it in large cases and for mass production, due to the problems with molding the desired shapes, as it would turn from a hard glassy state to rubbery state at unacceptably low temperatures.

Since about 50 percent of the newly-developed plastic consists of natural materials, it can reduce the consumption of petroleum resources. When used in the case of notebook computers, it can reduce carbon dioxide emissions by about 15 percent over the entire product life-cycle, compared to conventional petroleum-based resins.



+ + +


http://www.fujitsu.com/global/news/pr/archives/month/2005/20050113-01.html

Fujitsu and Toray Develop World's First Environmentally-Friendly Large-Size Plastic Housing for Notebook PCs
Facilitates reduction of both environmental burden and petroleum consumption


Tokyo, January 13, 2005 Fujitsu Limited, Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd., and Toray Industries, Inc. today announced their joint development of the world's first large-size notebook PC plastic housing made of plant-based plastic with low environmental burden. The new environmentally-friendly plastic is used in Fujitsu's 2005 spring model FMV-BIBLO NB80K notebook PC.

The three companies plan to expand on various applications for this plastic, thereby further contributing to a reduction in the environmental burden as well as lower consumption of petroleum resources.

In recent years, environmental issues such as ozone depletion, air pollution, environmental pollution, and rapid increase of industrial waste and toxic waste, have emerged worldwide. To address these problems, there is a need for the development of a recycling-based society. Currently, various environmental laws and regulations are being legislated on a global scale, to reduce burden on the environment. The IT industry is no exception to these trends, and in Japan, environmental awareness is on the rise with a number of environmentally-related laws that been passed: the Law on Promoting Green Purchasing(1), the Law for the Promotion of Effective Utilization of Resources (2), and the Pollutant Release and Transfer Register (PRTR) Law (3).

Use of fossil fuels, such as petroleum and coal, increases CO2 in the atmosphere and causes rapid spread of the greenhouse effect, resulting in an urgent need to reduce CO2 emissions.

Given these circumstances, there is increasing interest in applications of plastics created from plant materials, as an alternative to petroleum-based plastics which are limited in resource.

In June 2002, Fujitsu and Fujitsu Laboratories announced the development of the world's first technology for plant-based plastics that could be used for small-size housing components in notebook PCs, using polylactic acid(4) derived from corn and other plants. This technology was used in one of Fujitsu's FMV-BIBLO notebook PC models.

Toray positions polylactic acid as an environmentally-friendly, advanced material and has been developing markets for fibers, textiles, plastics and films under the brand name Ecodear, while conducting ongoing research in ways to obtain better performance from polylactic acid.

In order to broaden the applications for plant-based plastics, the three companies have been improving the materials' heat resistance and flame retardance properties. The new material formerly was not suited for volume production and use in large-size housing, due to its use of polylactic acid which has low glass transition temperature(5), making it difficult to mold.

The companies have now developed a new type of plastic that uses polymer alloy technology(6) blending polylactic acid and a non-crystalline plastic with a high glass transition temperature as well as flame-retardant technology(7). These advances have resulted in a material with the heat resistance and flame retardance mandatory for a large-size housing for IT devices, which features easy moldability, making it suitable for mass production.

On the environmental front, the new plastic consists of roughly 50% natural products (including plant- based materials), reducing the use of petroleum resources. When used to manufacture a notebook PC, CO2 emissions over the product's entire lifecycle are reduced by roughly 15%, thereby further reducing the impact on the environment.

Fujitsu, Fujitsu Laboratories, and Toray plan to expand the range of uses for this new material as a way to further reduce overall environmental burden and consumption of petroleum resorces in the IT industry.



paulmasterson1 - 07 Oct 2005 20:16 - 10821 of 27111


Delhaize tests NatureWorks PLA for fresh produce packaging


Oct 5,2005-NatureWorks PLA is a 100% nature-based packaging, and is an alternative to traditional petroleum-based plastics.

05/10/05 Environmentally-aware consumers in Belgium can shop with good conscience at Delhaize supermarkets thanks to the introduction of fully compostable packaging for selected fresh produce.

The supermarket chain is testing NatureWorks PLA, 100% nature-based packaging, as an alternative to traditional petroleum-based plastics for a range of food containers and bags in its Aalst store.

In-store prepared salads, and organic and traditional breads are among the foods being sold in NatureWorks PLA packaging. Currently, transparent delicatessen salad trays and the window on bread bags used by its bakeries are made from the natural material. Stickers and posters are ensuring that shoppers are aware that the packaging can be commercially composted.

NatureWorks PLA (polylactide) is completely derived from annually renewable resources. The technology used to produce the material harvests the starch stored in these annually renewable resources (i.e. corn) into natural plant sugars. The sugar is then fermented into lactic acid which is used to create a clear plastic known as polylactide. NatureWorks PLA containers decompose in industrial compost according to standard EN13432.


paulmasterson1 - 07 Oct 2005 20:18 - 10822 of 27111


Another 'build up' announcement as we head towards the big show ????


October 07, 2005 11:05 AM US Eastern Timezone

NatureWorks LLC Announces World's First Greenhouse-Gas-Neutral Polymer


MINNETONKA, Minn.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 7, 2005--NatureWorks LLC announced today that it will achieve a greenhouse-gas-neutral position for NatureWorks(R) PLA, making it the first, commercially available greenhouse-gas-neutral polymer in the industry.


The achievement of this milestone will give the corn-derived polymer another competitive advantage versus petroleum-based plastics, such as PET. It offers customers in Europe, Asia and North America a meaningful way to help achieve compliance with the Kyoto Protocol for reduction of greenhouse gases.

NatureWorks will achieve the greenhouse-gas-neutral position through the purchase of renewable energy certificates (RECs), which serve as an offset to cover all of the emissions from the energy used for the production of NatureWorks PLA. The certificates ensure the production of renewable energy in an amount equal to that of the non-renewable energy used by NatureWorks LLC. The net result will be a 68 percent reduction in fossil fuel use compared to traditional plastics from the manufacture of NatureWorks PLA compared with traditional plastics. (Even before this announcement, NatureWorks had represented a 30-50 percent reduction in fossil fuel use and a 30-55 percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions versus petroleum-based polymers.)

"NatureWorks is committed to product and process innovations that deliver valuable solutions to our global customer base," said NatureWorks LLC Vice President and Chief Marketing Officer, Dennis McGrew. "Strengthening the already-superior environmental attributes of our polymer, this greenhouse-gas-neutral position makes NatureWorks PLA an even more attractive option for retailers and brand owners seeking to reduce their environmental footprint - specifically for packaging applications."

As a partner in the Green Power Market Development Group, NatureWorks researched a number of alternative energy sources that would allow it to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions. RECs provide for affordable, pollution-free electricity that does not add to the depletion of natural resources such as coal, oil or gas, or cause environmental damage through resource extraction and transportation.

NatureWorks will be purchasing renewable energy certificates from a variety of U.S. Midwest projects - including wind, hydro and solar - in Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota. The company will be purchasing enough certificates to cover projected 2006 production at its 300-million-pound (140,000-metric-ton) capacity manufacturing plant and the world's largest lactic acid plant (400-million-pound or 182,000-metric-ton capacity) in Blair, Neb., as well as at its corporate offices in Minnetonka, Minn. The amount of energy NatureWorks will be purchasing, 59,000 mega-watt hours per year, is equivalent to the amount needed to power 6,300 homes for one year. This purchase of RECs will make NatureWorks one of the top ten corporate buyers of renewable energy certificates in the United States(a).

"I commend NatureWorks LLC for purchasing renewable energy certificates to make NatureWorks PLA polymer a greenhouse gas-neutral product," said Jonathan Lash, president of the World Resources Institute. "WRI encourages others to follow the company's lead in making their products and manufacturing processes more climate-friendly."

"Arriving at a greenhouse-gas-neutral polymer is a significant milestone in the journey for NatureWorks, but this is not an endpoint," stated McGrew. "As a company, we will continue to research and invest in new technologies to create an even more responsible product and provide our customers with innovative solutions."

About NatureWorks LLC

NatureWorks LLC is a stand-alone company wholly owned by Cargill. Dedicated to meeting the world's needs today without compromising the earth's ability to meet the needs of tomorrow, NatureWorks LLC is the first company to offer a family of commercially available polymers derived from 100 percent annually renewable resources with cost and performance that compete with petroleum-based packaging materials and fibers. The company applies its unique technology to the processing of natural plant sugars to create a proprietary polylactide polymer, which is marketed under the NatureWorks(R) PLA and Ingeo(R) fibers brand names. For more information about NatureWorks and its brands, please visit www.natureworksllc.com.

(a) Based on data gathered by the World Resources Institute and Environmental Protection Agency.

NatureWorks, Ingeo and the EcoPLA design are registered trademarks of NatureWorks LLC

TheFrenchConnection - 07 Oct 2005 20:27 - 10823 of 27111

Amities / OB: You are wasting your time even asking PM1 the most basic , simple and obvious questions reg. SEO . As Shamona has ably and candidly pointed out all we get is a plethora of incessant Google searches in addition to an abundance of utter deception and duplicity based on his erroneous definition of statements emanating from the press . Not even the seeds of an original idea exist in the mans head ln fact the very questions that need addressing he deliberately prevaricates .But lost in his surreal hinterland of self importance lurks an individual with an agenda . l pose the question again . No matter how attracted to a company you may be;Would you design a f$%&* website for them without percuniary recompensense . l think not. . The individual is a total FRAUD !!! ,,,,,,,,,,,,,@+ J

TheFrenchConnection - 07 Oct 2005 20:27 - 10824 of 27111

Amities / OB: You are wasting your time even asking PM1 the most basic , simple and obvious questions reg. SEO . As Shamona has ably and candidly pointed out all we get is a plethora of incessant Google searches in addition to an abundance of utter deception and duplicity based on his erroneous definition of statements emanating from the press . Not even the seeds of an original idea exist in the mans head ln fact the very questions that need addressing he deliberately prevaricates .But lost in his surreal hinterland of self importance lurks an individual with an agenda . l pose the question again . No matter how attracted to a company you may be;Would you design a f$%&* website for them without percuniary recompensense . l think not. . The individual is a total FRAUD !!! ,,,,,,,,,,,,,@+ J

oblomov - 07 Oct 2005 20:41 - 10825 of 27111

Paul,

you have again avoided answering the question and again you try to dodge the argument by posting reams of old news and irrelevant rubbish.

The way you respond to anyone who questions your often dubious posts is very sinister.

The knub of this is that you purported to have knowledge of what would be in future RNS's. When questioned on this you have attempted to throw up a smoke screen rather than answer directly. This is a familiar pattern from you.

Am I alone in thinking there are lines which should not be crossed and that you continually cross them, either from your enthusiasm for the share or for other reasons?

Oilywag - 07 Oct 2005 20:47 - 10826 of 27111

oblomov

I'll second that - your post of 20.41.

The oily one

Brandname - 07 Oct 2005 20:48 - 10827 of 27111

PM BASHERS

At least PM does a lot of research, which he shares with us, more than can be said for most of the posters on here and on other BBs. Its so easy to mock but less easy to do your own research and come up with alternative info whether positive or negative towards SEO. Any of you with any intelligence will look at what PM posts and make your own minds up as to what is relevant and what is not. If it wasn't for PM a lot of people would not have a clue as to the ins and outs of SEO.

Paul, I personally appreciate some of your research and thank you for your continued hard work and hope you continue with the same. I am totally long on this and share some of your enthusiasm in the future share price of SEO.

paulmasterson1 - 07 Oct 2005 20:48 - 10828 of 27111


Oblomov Hi,

Your again going to annoy everyone here as you did on FYB, with your adolescent continuation of another saga, I have told you I am not answering your questions, and as I said before, if you continue with your insinuations such as 'avoided' 'sinister' 'smoke screen' etc, I will have no choice but to squelch you.

Cheers,
PM

shamona - 07 Oct 2005 20:55 - 10829 of 27111

Paul

You said you had "squelched" him!

Why not just admit that you don't know whats in the next rns?

If you did know it would not just be illegal but also morally wrong, why you would want to be associated with that is beyond me; suppose it's probably down to you getting the chance to act the big man and say I told you so if you've guesed right.

paulmasterson1 - 07 Oct 2005 20:57 - 10830 of 27111

Tetrapak are also at the Packaging Sustanibility Forum, they are also in IBAW, along with Stanelco and Natureworks, read into that what you like ....

You may be thinking that this is just 'old news' but it shows that as far back as 2004 Tetrapak were actively looking at the subject of sustainable packaging, Biotec can help them, but thats for another day :)

Tetrapak KNOW from their own report, that only 2% of UK cartons are recycled, and only 30% in the EU, so why not just make them biodegradable ?

The reason they are not biodegradable is because they are laminated with Polythene on the inside, something that could possibly be replaced with Biotec TPS.



What a waste: Recycling rises up the food industry agenda
27 Oct 2004
Source: Catherine Sleep

Some 75% of UK household waste is sent to landfill, with packaging accounting for 25% of this waste. With landfill sites rapidly filling up, we have two options: we can use less packaging or we can recycle more. Catherine Sleep looks at a new report that examines the problems of recycling packaging in the UK and makes ambitious recommendations for policymakers and food and packaging manufacturers.

Although the recycling of packaging in the UK has increased by approximately 10% since 2000, the UK still lags behind the majority of European countries. Food and drink packaging is a significant focus for the problem, and an area in which manufacturers, retailers, policymakers and consumers have a part to play. A new report commissioned by Tetra Pak and produced by the educational charity Forum for the Future gives some pointers that could help us all do a lot better

UK household waste has increased by 15% in the last five years, as Jonathan Porritt, programme director of Forum for the Future and chairman of the UK Sustainable Development Commission, told a gathering of industry delegates last week. An embarrassing three quarters of this is sent to landfill, compared with 50% in France and just 7% in Switzerland. The UKs domestic waste recycling performance is improving, but it is still near the bottom of the European Union recycling league (14.5% in 2003, compared with Austria 58%, Germany 53% and the Netherlands 59%).

Packaging makes up 25% of the 13-15 million tonnes of household waste that goes to landfill in the UK each year. Last year the UK managed to recycle 47% of this packaging, behind most other EU countries. It was the only country that failed to meet the EU packaging recovery target of 55%.

Its economics, stupid

There are a number of barriers to progress, as the report indicates. For many local authorities, the economics simply dont add up. There are insufficient economic incentives to encourage authorities to implement radical recycling initiatives. Landfill and incineration are still the cheapest disposal options. For example, the landfill tax in the UK is just 13 (US$23.4) per tonne compared with 34 per tonne in Denmark. As Friends of the Earth points out, incineration currently has more tax breaks than recycling.

Furthermore, weight-based waste collection targets for local authorities hamper the recovery of lightweight packaging. Weight-based targets encourage authorities to go for heavier collectables such as glass, paper and green waste, while lightweight packaging such as plastic and aluminium is neglected.

The bias towards heavy materials has led to questionable outcomes. For example, the UK is currently exporting over a million tonnes of recovered paper as far as China because there is too much of it for UK markets, and importing recovered aluminium to keep the UK aluminium recycling industry going. In 2003, Alcan, the UK market leader, bought 10,000 tonnes of aluminium cans recovered from the UK and had to import 45,000 tonnes from all over the world. Yet three out of four aluminium cans consumed in the UK (about 3.25 billion cans) were sent to landfill or incineration (Source: Based on conversation with Paul Williams, Alcan, August 2004). According to Alcan, recycling aluminium cans saves up to 95% of the energy needed to make cans from raw materials,

Other forms of lightweight packaging, such as liquid cartons, are hardly collected at all. In 2003, only 2% of liquid cartons were recycled in the UK, according to Tetra Pak estimates, while the average for the EU was 30% (Source: Unpublished data from Tetra Pak).


Download the Tetrapak report here ....

http://www.forumforthefuture.org.uk/TetraPakWastedopportunities_pdf_media_public.aspx



paulmasterson1 - 07 Oct 2005 20:58 - 10831 of 27111


Brandname Hi,

Thanks :)

Cheers,
PM

shamona - 07 Oct 2005 20:58 - 10832 of 27111

brandname

Go to the BES thread and ask those there what they think of the chap you're defending, his ramp went horribly wrong just after he calimed someone at the company had told him it was going to 50 per share within a year; many people lost life savings believing him.

shamona - 07 Oct 2005 21:00 - 10833 of 27111

Masterson

Why not just post the link to your useless research?

It would save the hassle of skimming past it and would save Moneyam webspace.

Brandname - 07 Oct 2005 21:06 - 10834 of 27111

sham

Read what I said again.

"Any of you with any intelligence will look at what PM posts and make your own minds up as to what is relevant and what is not. If it wasn't for PM a lot of people would not have a clue as to the ins and outs of SEO. "

Now what part of the above is complicated for you. I dont care about BES or any other thread. This discussion board is for SEO. Sham SEO means Stanelco. Hope you are following so far, if not I will go slower for you.

With all the posts that you have posted I have not seen one intelligent one, its short this short that, its going down. Currently you will be receiving rounds of applause from the other single cell brains on here that cant give any particular reason as to why the share price is going down currently. Look at the fundamentals of the company, great management, great products, its going places.

Sham if you were intelligent you would have discovered SEO when the price was less than 4p, you would have received dividends, you would have had the advantage of the first rights issue at 3p.

Hope you get the point !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oilywag - 07 Oct 2005 21:07 - 10835 of 27111

OK now listen up and lets get this clear.

I appreciate what PM does in terms of research which is exhaustive. Where he gets the energy, time, motivation, etc I do not know.

I am as enthusiastic and hopeful as anyone on this board about the future potential of SEO.

All I and others on here want is to get a little more clear perspective as to what SEO is all about.

When anyone raises a query or questions someone else's opinion of perhaps a stated "fact" most are doing so in the spirit wanting to learn and be educated to theirs and others benefit. These queries should not automatically be taken as a personal attack on the person being questioned, asked for justification or supporting evidence.

Clear perspective only comes from moderated, reasoned, balanced and accurate information and not people implying that they are privy to "inside" facts and by that getting others to believe that what they say is gospel.

The less experienced readers of the board are consequently more likely to follow blindly like sheep suffering the resulting financial loss. I know, Ive been there during the techno boom of the late 90's.

So please, choose your words carefully and weigh the impact of them on others.

The oily one

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