Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

"Certain MPs will go further and invoke solemnly the words of Edmund Burke in his famous speech to the electors of Bristol (1774):

Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion.

There is sense in this approach."

For a moment I was confused by Cerise's innocence.

“cynic Send an email to cynic View cynic's profile - 13 Dec 2018 17:00 - 10831 of 10833

i accept what you say, but nevertheless at no point has grieve ever fought for the wishes of his constituents in this issue, and surely that is why you elect an mp”

Interesting as quite a lot of MP,s have done just that put their constituents first if only to protect their own jobs at the next election but you say that Grieve has not.

Well that clearly suggests that like Mogg he is putting his own self interests first, now I wonder what they could be.

He’s your MP so what exactly did he do before becoming and MP?

he was a barrister and subsequently qc so hardly unemployable!

Ceries.

Not for Manuel.

If I was only a week younger!

In Your Arms - Poem by Azura Cerise
When I lie soft in your arms
I forget the rest of the world around me
No other sound reaches my resigned ears
Save racing beats of heart
Yours or mine – all the same.
You pierce your stunned eyes through mine
And all I see through my resigned eyes
Is myself in your eyes.
Your lips touch mine
Kissing me like a baby
And your hands struggle with my clothes
And win a victory…

And then I cannot distinguish myself from you…
Azura Cerise

Neverendum is now evens. The gammon will be going ruddier faced by the day.

:o)

A spokesman for Paddy Power said: “Theresa May has been more in and out than the Hokey Cokey.

“Given that she’s Remaining in power, for now, would it really be a surprise if she performed another EU turn?”

Ah yes another one of those eh quite a few of those on both sides of the house along with that other lot... accountants.

Both lots as slippery as a snakes.

Blimey, Fred.

It's half past wine. That poem's far too intellectual for me.

:o)

Just dreams.

8-)

European Union leaders have said the Brexit withdrawal agreement is "not open for renegotiation", despite the desperate appeals from Theresa May.

Showing your true allegiance Stan. Haw Haw was hung for that. Welcome back Hays, Stan was pining for you, you will not be glad to hear.
As for that Fred, his kids need to keep him off the jungle juice. The sought of grandad that no one will own up to. Sexting indeed.

Fred,

I Googled Azura Cerise this morning - I knew the name was familiar.

Only 0.99 € a punnet in my local Intermarche during the summer.

:o)

I had no knowledge of Azura until yesterday!

I tried google and Wiki.

Neither had they!

But I liked the poem.

The poem brought back dim and distant memories.

Very dim and very distant.

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain’s opposition Labour Party said Prime Minister Theresa May had failed to win meaningful changes to her Brexit divorce deal at a summit with European leaders.

“It seems that the Prime Minister has failed in her bid to deliver meaningful changes to her Brexit deal,” Labour’s Brexit spokesman, Keir Starmer, said.

“We cannot go on like this. The Prime Minister should reinstate the vote on her deal next week and let Parliament take back control,” he said.

Reporting by Guy Faulconbridge; editing by Costas Pitas

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Another success for the Neo-con government who are denying parliamentary democracy!

LOL Fred - You speaking of democracy - Joker in the pack.

Then then results of the referendum should have been followed by Parliament.

I accept you may suffer from dementia but you have been reminded many times, by numerous posters that 52% voted to leave the EU - over 17 million people.

Dreadful numbers from France - The EuroZone will suffer without the UK more than they bargain for with a Clean Break.

Agree Ct, and the auto figures (3 months of decline) are only going to get worse.

gloating is fine and even understandable, but sadly it does not help the present situation in uk
of course, no one knows what will happen at the very end - the greek bailout is a good example