Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

What do you know Alf you only play golf up there...and your useless at that as well 😆

i agree that my golf is useless, but amazingly i have clients in aberdeen
have never had the courage to take up the open offer to play the trump course ..... i believe it's fantastic, but very long and difficult .... shame that buggies are effectively obligatory, or so i believe

...Ah yes I forgot about your "slippery connections" been to Aberdeen years ago possibly before we stuck oil on a Scotland tour, the granite city. CC lives up there as well I think.

gosh; had forgotten about him and yes he does
polar bears will be strolling the streets in a few weeks

Certainly brass monkey weather on the North coastal east side of the UK.

Max,

Your petition has 69k signatures. The Independent's Final Say petition had over a million signatures when it was handed in at Downing Street last week.

Even Nigel Farage is now saying that there WILL be a second referendum. He's getting the troops to dust off their Sovereign Shopriders and mobilise for action.

:o)

Dilbert,

Congratulations to your daughter. Dunno if I misunderstood, but is she in Iceland for her exams, or was that totally unrelated?

:o)

Dil,

Congratulations to your daughter, she must have an intelligent mother.

Of course her mothers intelligent Fred , she married me for starters.

Hils , I mentioned going to Heathrow the other day and Fred hoped I had a one way ticket to somewhere so explained it was to drop my daughter off as she was visiting Iceland so he was out of luck.

As for a second referendum , I don't think they've got the numbers even for that. She's definitely running the clock down and even after the meaningful vote she's got another 21 days to come up with plan B I think.

This is going to the wire.

Oh I see, Dilbert.

Any chance she could bring back a few packs of their frozen sausage rolls?

:o)

Stick to the day job cos you really aren't funny :-)

Hilly

Over the 100k hurdle now. And no, a private peep cant compete with Sky.


https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963

Dil's and Iy's Hopes,

The Dils,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/16/failed-by-both-major-parties-betrayed-britain-lurches-towards-the-abyss

The most deserved losers are the Brexit ultras. They finally launched their leadership coup and failed miserably. Without a plausible plan or a credible leader, these are the men who put the ass into assassin. After all their prating about “taking back control”, they couldn’t even organise the removal of a mortally wounded prime minister. The Brexit fanatics have always been a minority of a minority and now no one can be in any doubt about that. And this same gang claim they could negotiate a superior agreement with the EU or handle a no-deal Brexit in 100 days that are left? Oh, please. Yet there was no humility in defeat from the ultras. It was with a poisonous lack of grace that they continued to demand Mrs May’s resignation even after she had prevailed in the confidence vote that they forced upon their party. You are entitled to belly laugh the next time that anyone tries to commend Jacob Rees-Mogg as a courteous gentleman. The mask of phoney civility slipped when this serpent in a double-breasted suit continued to hiss for Mrs May’s head after his coup had failed.

worth reading the whole of today's guardian headline article ..... below is a small snip, but much more of even more interest therein


The latest Opinium poll for the Observer, taken after May survived a confidence vote on Wednesday among her own MPs, despite 117 Tory MPs failing to back her, shows Labour’s lead over the Conservatives has dropped from three points a month ago to just one point, despite the crisis engulfing the government.

Labour is unchanged on 39%, while the Tories are up two points to 38%. The Liberal Democrats have gained one point to stand on 8%, while Ukip has dropped by two points to 6%.

While approval for the prime minister over her handling of Brexit is low, it is virtually unchanged since a month ago, while Corbyn’s approval rating on Brexit has dropped and is below that of May’s. The survey found 53% of UK adults disapprove of May’s handling of Brexit against 28% who approve. But only 16% of UK adults approve of Corbyn’s handling of Brexit, against 55% who disapprove. Last month 19% approved and 50% disapproved.

also from today's guardian ..... an extract

Why are Labour’s leaders so quiet on Europe? Maybe it’s the lure of disaster

The party’s apparent defeatism on Brexit is grounded in old-style Leninist fantasy
For readers bewildered by the indifference of Labour’s leaders to Brexit, let me offer a suggestion: you cannot understand British politics until you grasp that the party has been taken over by men (and the occasional woman) who spent their lives around the fag ends of the 20th-century Marxist-Leninist movement.

It’s not that Labour now has a communist programme. Revolutionary socialism is as dead as any idea can be. Rather, Labour has inherited the mental deformations of the Leninist style of doing business: the leadership personality cult, the love of conspiracy theory, the robotic denunciations of opponents, and most critically for our current crisis, the ineradicable fantasy that the worse conditions for the masses become, the brighter the prospects of the far left are. Disaster socialism is its alternative to disaster capitalism.

i wonder what our resident apologists will come up with?
not really i don't, as they're both very predictable when under attack

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If those opinions were correct, I would think the tories would be rushing for a general election.

To me, that appears the last thing the majority of the cons artists want at the moment.

They prefer ducking and diving behind low hedges.

It is obvious to many that the parliamentary tory party consists of riff-raff or flotsam and jetsam looking for any port in a storm, with its leader more like a camp follower pandering to the whims of any in EU who will listen to her, rather than a prime minister.

(Do you, do similar when you are wandering around in the M.E. spending your time scratching or kowtowing for deals?)


I would think that many of the labour leadership would be happy to lose the next GE and let the con artists face up to the debacle they have created.

I would think if that happens, which I doubt, then the split in the cons would be irrevocable within a 2 year period, and they would spend 20 years in the political wilderness.

That would allow labour or labour led coalition to reform the tax system, clean up the city, repair the health and welfare system, education and various infrastructures of the UK without too much resistance.

It will be interesting to watch.

But knowing how spineless and self-interested the present tory party members and leadership are at the moment I doubt the Nebula will be PM much longer.

What a farce.

Read the comments from European papers.

Broaden your perspectives.

Try watching:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bvlk79/dateline-london-15122018

quite light, but reflects other opinions.

Fred asking most of the outers on here to read or look at just about anything on here which isn’t of a raving outers point of view is a tough task..... but I suppose someone has to try...best of British 😅