Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Fat chance with this mob in power I bet.

Do you two have each others babies?

No.

When was your last pregnancy?

It seems to me like TM is moving to unite the country by now backing a clean break rather than break faith by holding another referendium.

If that is the case, hopefully the majority of MP`s will give her their full backing now that Hunt a remainer, has started to move towards a clean cut Brexit.

If she had done this sooner she may not have lost her chance to take the Tory Party undr her leadership into the next election in 2022.

CT, You seriously think that people will forget the last 2 1/2 years of probably the worst Government in the history of Governments?...Dream on I think the expression is.

If you think the tories are bad, look at those that want to be in power. Nightmare.

Stan if people can forget about the blunders that Diane Abbott keeps making - Clueless when it comes to maths and slow as a snail. Watch these and have a chuckle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Syo86gsHk

Don't change the subject CT just answer my question.

2nd referendum
apart from the obvious objections to this, the other problem would still remain in the event that it was another close(ish) vote with the winning margin still just 4% in either direction

what then?
the same issues would remain, and if anyone thinks the labour party is anywhere near united on the brexit issue, then they are even more deluded

As usual Alf for you outers your lack of short term wrong assumptions lets you down yet again.

in what way?
and please do not forget that i have never been a rabid in either direction

What was your question Stan? :-)

What do you mean never been a rabid in either direction, pull the other one.

OK here go's:

"2nd referendum
apart from the obvious objections to this, the other problem would still remain in the event that it was another close(ish) vote with the winning margin still just 4% in either direction"

a) Objections? what are they and who are objecting?

b) What other problem?

c) We use the "first past the post" system so as most people understand it who ever gets at by at least one vote more than the rest then they carry the vote, not the best method of defining an general election of referendum but if as a Country we want a fairer one we will have to bring in something like proportionate representation.

Over to you.

Saturday Night Live skit sends up Theresa May's Brexit woes



‘No one likes me,’ says dancing PM in sketch featuring Matt Damon as David Cameron



Josh Halliday

Sun 16 Dec 2018 18.00 GMT









The whole thing is here inc the vid: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/16/saturday-night-live-skit-sends-up-theresa-mays-brexit-woes

Looks more like Hilary Clinton to me. Maybe finally being locked up..

TM appears to be resolute in preventing a second referendum, which is largely being called for by Remain losers. Good for her, democracy will mean diddley squat if that happens.

An earlier post indicates the Remoaners want a vote on a) TM's deal or b) staying in, how absurd, both options keep us in the customs union. 17.4million people voted to Leave, neither options satisfy that.

any 2nd referendum - i very much hope there will not be one, as to me, that cuts across the whole voting procedure we have had in this country for centuries - will still leave swathes of people across the country very unhappy indeed

more to the point, in the event that there is a "remain" majority of any size, and that in itself is far from certain, then the clear wishes of the majority in the 1st referendum are likely to be arbitrarily binned

Stan, Surely you have already worked out the answers to your questions but I will offer you help:

a) Objections? what are they and who are objecting? (Read the thread and try to remember them all and the names of the posters)

b) What other problem? ( There are no insurmountable issues)

c) We use the "first past the post" system so as most people understand it who ever gets at by at least one vote more than the rest then they carry the vote, not the best method of defining an general election of referendum but if as a Country we want a fairer one we will have to bring in something like proportionate representation.

(It seems to be only those like yourself that cannot accept majority rules that want to change the rules because they are sore losers)

Now I hope you can idenitfy yourself as to where you fit in.

Stan

a) we have already had one

b) it validates Scotland's request for another one for starters and how about the Welsh getting another one too being their result was closer than Brexit

c)first past the post was leave so leave won and I don't get your point , how does PR work on a two option referendum ?


Over to you.

There were two Welsh Devolution referendum. (Partial)

The second was considered successful by the majority in Wales. (Partial

Scotland will probably have another devolution and independence referendum within the next five years and if "Brexit" occurs it is likely that the "independents" will win and apply for to rejoin the EU.

NI when they feel the effects of Brexit will probably follow a similar pathway.
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