for more information about stanelco click on the links.

driver's research page link
http://www.moneyam.com/InvestorsRoom/posts.php?tid=7681#lastread
website link
http://www.stanelco.co.uk/index.htm

andy
Nice one andy may be its time for a new thread for the oldies. Try and pick up some mdy first thing Mon morning and don't tell any one I told you.

Driver

'To some of the newbies who have come from FYB can you cut out the crap' ,

If (as I'm sure it is) this is directed at me, it is highly insulting. This has nothing to do with 'loving' or 'hating' pm, but more to do with challenging an individual who is contravening the current FSA rules and who has been banned from other BB's for doing the same,

I've kept quite on this thread over a long period and have only recently started to post in an endeavour to cut 'the crap' I've seen being posted here by a certain individual whose posts on other BB's led to suspensions/bans.

I've read Eric's posts for several months and even mentioned and recommended them several weeks ago as being informative. They are the most relevant and intelligent posts I've seen on any BB relating to SEO.

The contrast between his posts and the wild claims of another individual are vast.

I find it incredible that given the high quality of the majority of the posts on the thread, more people do not come forward and challenge the hype Perpetuated by PM1. Time and time again on other BB's I've seen this type of argument arise when PM is challenged - not just from posters but from the admin staff of the bb's.

It isn't 'crap' to challenge liars, Driver, its 'crap' not to.



Eric,

'Suggest it would be more profitable to debate this contribution than extend the bickering about what PM might or might not have said, meant or inferred.'

I have great respect for you, but this is a public forum and less able people than you (investment wise) have access to it. One of PM's wildest claims is a share price of 50 for SEO. I am not the sort of person who can stand by and watch this kind of manipulation without attempting to warn people.

I'm sorry if you see this as bickering - the administrators of FYB didn't which is why PM doesn't now have a platfrom there.

oblomov
Sorry to disappoint but it was not directed at you that is why I used the word some, but directed at the pm lovers who come out in support with out foundation.
Like I said earlier take posters with a pinch of salt, my mention of mdy for instance, dont take my word do your own research.

We did tackle pm when he arrived here and he did tone it down, he has been OK since imo, his fan club have the problem.

Ok Driver, you dont disappoint (I dont crave criticism!) - just didn't see any other FYB 'newbies' who your comment could have been directed at.

See where you were coming from now - thanks.

edited because posted twice due to poor internet connection!!!!!

Amities / Reg SEO. Let me preface this post by saying this is a PI driven stock ; Support from institutions is minimal and by definition this " Age of reason " motley crew DO NOT constitute lnstutional investors. Far from it. The notion is absolutely absurd !! Now i see the volume on Friday was a tad shy of 8 million with a ratio of 2 buys to every individual sell .-2~1 . lnevitably that is usually a variable which acts as a decent and quite reliable indicator of a stocks relative secular strength yet on this occasion the s/p went sideways s thearby proving beyond any reasonable doubt MMS are still busy executing an order/s disposing of the very same massive overhang of stock that has existed this past month ...Until recently mms were quite keen to keep a neutral balanced book ; but in decimating the s/p in search of bargain hunters to enter the fray, mms are merely reducing their exposure.Offloading. . The T/A is at best worrying ; and at worst an absolute stinker. From a purists vantage point the true support level is below 5p with slight support at 10p which will act as some type of bridge . Not tangible: but rather pyschological .. Should 10p collapse the sell off could prove ugly but fast and at least remove both shorters and feckle investors .. Should 10p succeed it could be more like death by a thousand cuts . A sword of Damaclees scenario. MMs prefer the latter . ,,Now before i attain a reputation as an seo basher i happen at one time to have held 500,000 shares which i disposed in three tranches at a median of 28.14p. Both Evo { who recently blotted its copy book } and Peel Hunt called it the "target " s/p ; and when viewed in light of the m/c it appeared totally unjustifiable. So l sold . l tend to agree with BOS in that i view the potential of SEO and RF tec as quite phenomonal . Absolutely . But how best measure potential in fiscal terms Bos ? ? What did "potential" mean during the hi tec dot com bubble ? l recall Paul Kavanagh writing in the rag lC at that time that KWL which was trading @ approx 14 had the "potential" software to revoltionise the whole warehouse inventory sector and placed a more fair and true value of 60 on the stock . ...Within weeks you couldnt get 60p let alone 60. Within 3 months it was 2p. Potential is great, l agree, but it is certainly not a bedpartner to profit and success. My ONLY advice here is that there is NO SUCH THING as too much lndependant research into your target , NEVER. ,,lts a misnomer. ALWAYS Check, re-check ,utterly scrutinize and clarify every small snippet of data/info/ rumour available to you from ALL and EVERY source.. . Check all facts with the companies PR outfit or preferably with the secatary of the board or its FD or CEO . ln writing whenever possible. But in addition to studying your target do not forget to look at the environment in which it trades. nor its competitors ,( and for SEO they exist by the score in both Europe & USA } nor its interelationship with the dynamics/ mechanics of the current market ls it oversold or overbought . Are volumes suddenly out of the ordinary ? .Are interested parties circling with intent . Are shorters out in force ? . Traders suddenly opening sizeable or principal postions....Right down to market sentiment and even the companies relationship with its brokers/ nominated advisers , lts bankers / solicitors/ ....Are directors buying ? And what are the big players up too ? Try and speak to employees, or failing that those directly employed in the same sector ; You would be shocked at what you may learn . Sometimes you only learn by being nosey and a little pushy And why not ? lts your money .,But NEVER allow a BB to sway your opinion nor " spook" you . Rememeber a massive concensus of opinion does not constitute even a hypothesis . ,and if you have done your homework you should be impervious to it .....,, c'est toute lol Desole' ,,,,,,, .,,, Slt Driver / Sante'. A small yet moot point . l have NEVER gloated reg. the handsome profit i have made from SEO. NEVER !!! l am too much of arealist not to realize that all can be very temporary and fleting in this deliciously cruel game called tradng . . Also i assure you that NO_ONE on this thread turned me onto SEO . The very idea is against every trading / investing rule i have made over the years . That can be accredited to a colleague at work. We all placed names of smallcaps with an m/c below 50m into a hat which we believed would outperform the small/micro cap market in 2004; and after studying her extensive research in addition to mine own i rapidly realised i was onto a gem @4-75p which had hardened support at this level; and mms semed reluctant to mark it down no matter of the bevy of sellers at the time. ,,,Hence my buy . ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and sold simply am not at all convinced revenues/ royalties from Greenseal conversions which is the jewel in the SEO crown and quite obviously the prime mover reg. its s/p are clearly not going to be met . ,,,Once they issue an RNS declaring without condition nor reservation they have secured conversions of even half that was originaly projected i may revise my position ...........Until then i will remain short ,,,,,Bonne chance ,,

With reference to Tonys visit to Asda,post 10911 ,can anyone answer this question which I consider hugely imortant.ARE GREENSEALED ITEMS MICROWAVEABLE???????To me a ready meal is synonomous with microwaveable.Lets hope they are!!

TFC

If you are going to post such a long discourse please introduce a few paragraphs and improve your punctuation and spelling. I acquired very little knowledge about investing or SEO in your post. Pity because it was so hard to read.

Your post appears to be a dump of your entire brain with little of interest to anyone wishing to be educated. It was also a not so clever way of telling everybody how much money you have made out of selling at the top. You might truthfully have sold at just under 30p, but I think that its amazing how many people on this thread bought in at below 5p and sold so high! Good luck to all who achieved this trick of immaculate timing.

The reason why longterm investors have chosen this company is mainly for one reason only, its future potential. Fluctuations in the share price is not going to worry them too much.

Just to clarify, I am not posting these comments because I think that you have recently been little less than enthusiastic about SEO as an investment.

The oily one

pm1, at the moment i am assuming nothing, so until i see figures for conversions it is still no pounds.
eric, it really doesn't matter whether i am despondant or elated if the greenseal conversion rate for q1 is 10, 20 or 3 million. my point is all about seo regaining crediblilty. as andys and others have repeatedly said, the sp rose on the back of greenseal, it is falling primarily because the conversions haven't been happening at the rate many expected. seo need to show that they can deliver. if greenseal is not the success people expect it to be any future starpol, frogpack, cradlewrap, etc, deal will not have the impact it should. good to see you posting again, though.
oblomov, you've made your point, please don't harp on.
oily, as for tfc's posts, sometimes effort is required but always worth it . i agree with him that it is difficult to put a price on potential , which is why i want to see pounds showing now, not future potential projections of pounds. that's not "bashing" seo, it's just being objective and realistic. it's time for seo to show they can deliver the goods. it's time for deliverance.........(driver, i've teed that up beautifully for you!)

Bosley,

I agree - the harp is now definately off.

Oily - I also found TFC's post worth the effort and have to agree on many of the points he made. We all know SEO has enourmous potential but it needs solid income streams now - you cant survive on potential alone forever.

Have to agree Bosley on this one. I know we have the ASDA deal but until we actually see hard figures stating what's in the bank, and also signed contracts that details specific 's attached, then we projections don't do it for me. Projections will do it once we see the cash coming in!

Kong

At the recent EGM, in answer to a question from the floor, it was stated that Greenseal fees would be receivable quarterly. I dont recall if this would be in advance or arrear. Either way cash from fees should be coming in now.

Presumably some "setting up" fees also would have been received by now.

No vast amounts on the 5 contracts announced, but it is a start - and to reply to points above, it is all actual cash going into the bank.

At the same meeting they said they had sufficient cash for 18 months. Any amount received since extends this.

MAD PAD

Yes they are!

Thanks for cofirming that somewin

andysmith - 08 Oct 2005 22:27 - 10914 of 10927

zscrooge, are you suggesting that I talked up SEO when I didn't have any shares?TWAT if you are, you don't know fuck all about me, I am a private investor who has to earn a salary and is trying to make extra dosh on these markets, not rich or clever enough to risk CFD's etc so why the fuck would I have an interest talking up or down a share if I don't own the bastards you clown.
I have people on these boards who KNOW FOR A FACT that I owned SEO shares.
I also advised SEO to friends and family who have all made good money and I told them when I sold mine, their choice after that but most sold and are glad they took their profits but like me wish they'd not got greedy and took them at 28p.

I thought I had posted something concilliatory in an effort for harmony. I can see I wasted my time. Good luck with all your holdings.

Zscrooge

Hope you feel better after using that language. I'm no bible-punching christian, but is that really necessary? Only lowers the tones and invites other to respond in kind and compete.

This is a public board so consider others' sensitivities.

The oily one

Mad Pad

I thought that GS was microwaveable but could not remember where I got that from. Thanks to someuwin for confirming.

It is, however, odd that only non-micro meals from the Great Stuff range used GS. Perhaps the oven cook only ones were produced elsewhere or packaged on a line where GS is not yet available (exclusivity problem?).

In my experience certain foods do not micro such as bread, breadcrumbs, batter. Also there are difficulties in browning and crisping things like roast veg and chips. I had a raw whole egg explode once blowing the door off ! I am told I should have pricked it. What a prick I felt.

Next time in an ASDA I will look further into the meals/ingredients to see if there is a reason such as this.

oily, zscrooge was quoting andysmith, who, i think, took something zscrooge said personally.

Zscrooge

Apologies, I did not realise that you were quoting andysmith's post.

The oily one

Hi All,

As promised, a look at another Biotec patent.

Biotec own a patent for "Multiple layer foil partially composed of starch", and the first thing that I thought of was crisp/snack bags.

Seems to be another huge market .... "The snack food industry in the UK is currently in a phase of expansion with annual sales of 8 billion packets of crisps and 1 billion packets of peanuts. This portion of the snack food market is worth over 1 billion per year with forecasts predicting a doubling of this value by the end of the century. Currently sales are increasing at a rate of 4% per annum for crisps and 6.2% per annum for savoury snacks"

http://www.eng.dmu.ac.uk/sjymech/spam.html


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From a case study on snacks ....

Snacks, which are integrated into the work, relaxation, and recreation of mericans, supply about 25% of our daily calories. In fact, North Americans are the largest per capita consumers of chip snacks, comprising over 36% of the world market.

Feeding our demand for snacks is the $72 billion snack food and wholesale bakery industry. This industry generally includes wholesale bakery goods that generate 40.2% of sales, specialty snacks 12.9%, confectionery products 21.9%, and salty snacks 25%. Included in the salty snack category are meat snacks and pork rinds, salted nuts and peanuts, and the snack chip industry. The $13 billion snack chip industry provides consumers with potato chips, potato crisps, corn chips, tortilla chips, pretzels, ready to eat popcorn and extruded cheese products such as curls, balls, and puffs.

Americans are increasing their consumption of snack foods. During the past decade, dollar sales of salty snacks have increased an average of 5.2% while sales in pounds have increased 3.2%. According to U.S. Industry & Trade Outlook '99, market growth for salty snacks is projected to increase by 2 to 4% over next five years.

Table 1: Sales of chip snacks: 1998

Type of chip In millions GBP

Potato chips 1,517.3

Tortilla chips 1,354.5

Corn chips 239.8

Table 1 shows the sales of chip snacks for 1998. The other category includes potato crisps. Crisps are baked and some are made from reconstituted potatoes. The largest crisp brand is Proctor and Gamble's Pringles, in addition, Frito-Lay has several baked brands.

The largest snack chip manufacturer is the Pepsico Inc. Their snack foods division, Frito-Lay, has over a 60% market share, sales of $7.474 billion, and the top selling brand in each of the major snack chip categories except ready-to-eat popcorn. Frito-Lay has achieved its success through extremely effective marketing, production and distribution as well as very aggressive competitive strategies.


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Multiple layer foil partially composed of starch

Bibliographic data Description Claims Mosaics Original document INPADOC LEGAL status


Patent number: HK1007755
Publication date: 1999-04-23
Inventor: TOMKA IVAN
Applicant: BIOTEC BIOLOG NATURVERPACK (DE)
Classification:
- international: C08J; C08L; B32B; C08B
- european: B32B9/02; C08B30/12; C08J5/18; C08L3/02; C08L23/02
Application number: HK19980106983 19980626
Priority number(s): WO1991CH00078 19910327; CH19900001426 19900426

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Also published as:

WO9116375 (A1)
EP0479964 (A1)
CH680590 (A5)
EP0479964 (B1)
HU212028 (B)


Abstract not available for HK1007755
Abstract of correspondent: CH680590

A single or multiple layer foil with an essentially reduced gas permeability has at least one layer composed at least in part of an essentially thermoplastic starch. In order to obtain a single or multiple layer foil which is at least almost completely insensitive to humidity, the one layer has at least one additional hydrophobic polymer, such as a polyolefine, which is mixed with the starch during the production of the one layer, and/or the starch is at least partially cross-linked at the surface of the one layer and/or the one layer is covered with at least one other layer which is at least almost completely insensitive to humidity.