Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Stan

a) we have already had one

b) it validates Scotland's request for another one for starters and how about the Welsh getting another one too being their result was closer than Brexit

c)first past the post was leave so leave won and I don't get your point , how does PR work on a two option referendum ?


Over to you.

There were two Welsh Devolution referendum. (Partial)

The second was considered successful by the majority in Wales. (Partial

Scotland will probably have another devolution and independence referendum within the next five years and if "Brexit" occurs it is likely that the "independents" will win and apply for to rejoin the EU.

NI when they feel the effects of Brexit will probably follow a similar pathway.
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It ain't over till (or until) the fat lady sings, in little england, until the scrawny lady squeals.

Yes there were two Fred and about 20 years apart. Both were successful in that the majority vote was accepted and the wishes of the people were enacted.

Last one was 20 years ago so we might have changed our minds since then.

I've no objection to the remoaners having another referendum 20 years after the wishes of the people are carried out and we leave the EU.

It is fine as long as I like it.

B. the opinion of the others.

W/s

Well Alf answers please.

Dils and Marti's party!

TM bating all balls on the court today with skill and resolution and clearly upsetting the Labour MP`s whom seem to be as thick as planks as they keep asking TM the same question while refusing to back her deal or face the facts and confirm we make a clean breal from the EU on the only deal they have offered TM.

Yep Labour doing its usual nothing except repeating the same questions they asked last week.

Corby hasn't a clue what to do next.

Meanwhile the clock keeps ticking and the only options on the table are the EUs deal or walk away.

Get yer walking boots ready Fred.

Well that's not strictly correct, Dilbert.

The options on the table are Maggie's Deal or Parliament tells the Government what to do next. Walking away is a misguided idealogy of Moggy and co - they shot their bolt (and missed) last week!

‘Brexit is over!’ - Brexiteer concludes it ‘will not happen at all’

He said: “If Brexit happens at all – and for the first time I’m beginning to think it won’t – it will be on terms that keep the worst aspects of EU membership.

“Britain will be humbled in the eyes of the world, having tried to recover its independence and been faced down.

“The largest popular vote in our history will be disregarded, and the nation that exported representative government exposed as an oligarchy.”

“If Parliament won’t accept Mrs May’s terms and won’t accept no deal then, one way or another, it keeps us in the EU. When you have eliminated the impossible, Watson, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

Speaking seperately Hannan told talkRADIO the only option now on the table would be a second referendum which would be “rigged in the most obvious sense.”

“The choice presented to people on the ballot paper will not be between Leave and Remain but will be between Theresa May’s deal - which most Eurosceptics including me regard as the worst possible outcome - or remaining on the terms we were two years ago.”

He said that Brexiteers should not be preparing for a second referendum but instead to prepare for a “mass boycott” of a People’s Vote.

Perhaps, Hannan and worshippers could leave the country.

Labour what a shambles. Go back to growing broad beans on your allotment JC and stop trying to play big boy games.

Perhaps you and the rest of the moaners should Fred as there are only a few thousand of you and you wouldn't be missed.

200k +


https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963

i find it curious or even pathetic that corbyn lacks the balls to go for a NCV aginst the gov't but picks the relatively minor target of TM - which i strongly suspect he will lose anyway

no wonder his ratings are even below those for TM and that labour can barely scrape any lead at all in polls, inaccurate as they have proved to be in the past

Ah there you are Alf we were having a conversation yesterday and you seemed to buzz of half way through so what about answering Post 10920 now?

Ever thought of buzzing off yourself and stop asking daft questions? They are not worth answering because you don't want to be educated but wish to continue bickering. If you don't like the result, go out on the streets of Burnley and argue your case. Since 2 out of 3 of your neighbours voted out, you'll find plenty that disagree with you. You can argue to your heart's content.

I expect those that hate the idea of a clean break from the EU are rather down in the dumps today as the Cabinet are now considering the no-deal Bexit Plan.

What with Matt Hancock saying ""We’ve instituted full no deal planning within the NHS already, and I would like to see the whole of government going to that position because it’s the responsible thing to do."

Well done for getting on with what should have been done in 2016 - better late than never.

Well Alf.