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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

cynic - 18 Dec 2018 10:25 - 10949 of 12628

whatever you choose to imagine

Dil - 18 Dec 2018 11:12 - 10950 of 12628

I reckon May could possibly get the numbers to scrape a no deal through Parliament if all the Tories concede there is no chance of the EUs plan being accepted.

There are enough Labour leavers to counter Ken Clarke and his sort.

Watch how fast the EU start back tracking when this starts gaining momentum.

Stan - 18 Dec 2018 11:18 - 10951 of 12628

Dil still in a Brexit dream world.

Talking of Hush Puppie man he seems to be one of the very few Tories talking sense these days on Europe.

iturama - 18 Dec 2018 11:20 - 10952 of 12628

Someone has to pay their inflated salaries. Now who agreed to that latest round of pay increases or do they just self award? You wonder if they look out of their ivory towers of Babel and notice what is happening on the streets.

Fred1new - 18 Dec 2018 11:31 - 10953 of 12628

Your Babbel sounds like the present tory or neo-con party:

"According to the story, a united humanity in the generations following the Great Flood, speaking a single language and migrating eastward, comes to the land of Shinar (שִׁנְעָר‬). There they agree to build a city and a tower tall enough to reach heaven. God, observing their city and tower, confounds their speech so that they can no longer understand each other, and scatters them around the world."

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How many of the present tory "grandees" are squirrelling their already ill-gotten cash abroad at the moment and already shorting the UK?

Fred1new - 18 Dec 2018 11:52 - 10954 of 12628

Max,

Post 10940

Do you think Cameron is plotting a comeback?


8-)

2517GEORGE - 18 Dec 2018 11:53 - 10955 of 12628

Similar number to that of The Labour Hypocrite Party I expect

Stan - 18 Dec 2018 13:10 - 10956 of 12628

No defence of their "own limited" low life standards as usual by the Tories Fred.

2517GEORGE - 18 Dec 2018 13:30 - 10957 of 12628

Au contraire Stan, I think it's morally reprehensible irrespective what party they belong. I was squaring matters with your blinkered buddy who choses to castigate anything Tory and ingratiate anything Labour.

Regarding low life standards, I have to say you seem extremely well versed.

Stan - 18 Dec 2018 14:06 - 10958 of 12628

George If you can't post without resorting to innuendos and personal insults then it's a sad day for you.

Clocktower - 18 Dec 2018 14:14 - 10959 of 12628

The beauty of it all is that I expect once the 29th March has passed and we have left the EU - we will all be one again be on the same side, having left this factitious debate behind us, moving on to make Britian Great again.

2517GEORGE - 18 Dec 2018 14:21 - 10960 of 12628

Stan that's a strange retort given your post 10956

2517GEORGE - 18 Dec 2018 14:24 - 10961 of 12628

Ct, yeah we'll all be bosom buddies again, it may take some remoaners a long time but once they see how well this country performs outside the EU they'll come round.

Dil - 18 Dec 2018 14:32 - 10962 of 12628

Lol , no chance.

Fred will be sulking for years.

MaxK - 18 Dec 2018 15:39 - 10963 of 12628

Fred will be in his element, telling all and sundry how good it would have been if we had remained.


Stan - 18 Dec 2018 15:43 - 10964 of 12628

Alf's bluff called and now lying low, George making things up again and CT using the words "Great again" indicating him living in some sort imaginary past....Once an outsider always an outsider maybe you should all join CC and Jimmy Jumper in exiting the UK.

Think Mr and Mrs E/L have already gone... from Northamptonshire and can't blame them for that.

Can I suggest somewhere like Australia where all the other convicts were sent..when we were great I believe 😆

..And as for Dil I think he might be happier in Northern Ireland where he can support another Duff football team 😎

Edit:

Oops nearly forgot Max, in his case he can stay for now..but only now whilst he is under review.

Clocktower - 18 Dec 2018 16:20 - 10965 of 12628

Thing is at last TM seems to have got the message that 52%+ of the people will back her to the hilt if she stands fast and makes Brexit mean Brexit with a Clean Break.

In fact I think she will see off JC with his Cabbage Ears to his Veg Garden for good, as Team Labour will turn on him after 29 March.

cynic - 18 Dec 2018 16:37 - 10966 of 12628

starting from the premise that country voted to leave eu and that is what needs to be delivered in some format, i have read a story that suggests TM will ask parliament to vote on all sorts of variations to her deal that have been requested - but probably not 2nd referendum

the purpose would be to make MP's stand up and be counted for their own ideas, instead of just opposing, and to show that none of the alternatives commands a majority, leaving (she hopes) her own deal as the only one left standing

the above may all be garbage and misinformation of course

Fred1new - 18 Dec 2018 16:40 - 10967 of 12628

Stan,

Don't worry about Georgie, consider him as really a little darling in disguise.

iturama - 18 Dec 2018 16:44 - 10968 of 12628

The problem with the border with Ireland will still remain, deal or no deal with the EU, so that has to be sorted out. If it can be then a major obstacle with the current EU deal will have been removed.
Interesting to note that in future EU citizens, not already with settled status, will need to be on jobs paying more than £30k to work in the UK. I wonder what rules will apply to non EU migrants.
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