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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

2517GEORGE - 18 Dec 2018 11:53 - 10955 of 12628

Similar number to that of The Labour Hypocrite Party I expect

Stan - 18 Dec 2018 13:10 - 10956 of 12628

No defence of their "own limited" low life standards as usual by the Tories Fred.

2517GEORGE - 18 Dec 2018 13:30 - 10957 of 12628

Au contraire Stan, I think it's morally reprehensible irrespective what party they belong. I was squaring matters with your blinkered buddy who choses to castigate anything Tory and ingratiate anything Labour.

Regarding low life standards, I have to say you seem extremely well versed.

Stan - 18 Dec 2018 14:06 - 10958 of 12628

George If you can't post without resorting to innuendos and personal insults then it's a sad day for you.

Clocktower - 18 Dec 2018 14:14 - 10959 of 12628

The beauty of it all is that I expect once the 29th March has passed and we have left the EU - we will all be one again be on the same side, having left this factitious debate behind us, moving on to make Britian Great again.

2517GEORGE - 18 Dec 2018 14:21 - 10960 of 12628

Stan that's a strange retort given your post 10956

2517GEORGE - 18 Dec 2018 14:24 - 10961 of 12628

Ct, yeah we'll all be bosom buddies again, it may take some remoaners a long time but once they see how well this country performs outside the EU they'll come round.

Dil - 18 Dec 2018 14:32 - 10962 of 12628

Lol , no chance.

Fred will be sulking for years.

MaxK - 18 Dec 2018 15:39 - 10963 of 12628

Fred will be in his element, telling all and sundry how good it would have been if we had remained.


Stan - 18 Dec 2018 15:43 - 10964 of 12628

Alf's bluff called and now lying low, George making things up again and CT using the words "Great again" indicating him living in some sort imaginary past....Once an outsider always an outsider maybe you should all join CC and Jimmy Jumper in exiting the UK.

Think Mr and Mrs E/L have already gone... from Northamptonshire and can't blame them for that.

Can I suggest somewhere like Australia where all the other convicts were sent..when we were great I believe 😆

..And as for Dil I think he might be happier in Northern Ireland where he can support another Duff football team 😎

Edit:

Oops nearly forgot Max, in his case he can stay for now..but only now whilst he is under review.

Clocktower - 18 Dec 2018 16:20 - 10965 of 12628

Thing is at last TM seems to have got the message that 52%+ of the people will back her to the hilt if she stands fast and makes Brexit mean Brexit with a Clean Break.

In fact I think she will see off JC with his Cabbage Ears to his Veg Garden for good, as Team Labour will turn on him after 29 March.

cynic - 18 Dec 2018 16:37 - 10966 of 12628

starting from the premise that country voted to leave eu and that is what needs to be delivered in some format, i have read a story that suggests TM will ask parliament to vote on all sorts of variations to her deal that have been requested - but probably not 2nd referendum

the purpose would be to make MP's stand up and be counted for their own ideas, instead of just opposing, and to show that none of the alternatives commands a majority, leaving (she hopes) her own deal as the only one left standing

the above may all be garbage and misinformation of course

Fred1new - 18 Dec 2018 16:40 - 10967 of 12628

Stan,

Don't worry about Georgie, consider him as really a little darling in disguise.

iturama - 18 Dec 2018 16:44 - 10968 of 12628

The problem with the border with Ireland will still remain, deal or no deal with the EU, so that has to be sorted out. If it can be then a major obstacle with the current EU deal will have been removed.
Interesting to note that in future EU citizens, not already with settled status, will need to be on jobs paying more than £30k to work in the UK. I wonder what rules will apply to non EU migrants.

Cerise Noire Girl - 18 Dec 2018 16:53 - 10969 of 12628

Any of the gammon on here called Robert?

:o)

A caller to James O’Brien’s radio show has claimed he voted for Leave so that he can continue to use three-pin plugs in the UK.

Robert from Rochester called the LBC radio phone-in programme to give his verdict on a second referendum.

However when it came to asking why the caller was so incensed on ensuring the UK leaves the European Union, he was struggling to explain the benefits.

“I won a slap in the government’s face...” he said, before O’Brien pointed out that government had now gone.

The caller continued: “I won a vote to Leave the EU.”

As he continued to bluster, the only tangible benefit he could name was that we would be able to continue to use three-pin plugs.

“One of the ones for me is the plug system... we obviously use the three-pin in this country. The EU don’t,” Robert told O’Brien.

“So basically it means our safety aspects are a lot stronger than the generalisation of the EU.”

A baffled O’Brien pointed out we are still in the EU already - and we still have three-pin plugs.

“So you think we have to leave the EU to get three-pin plugs? What can we do now with plugs that we can’t do as members – what did you win?”

“Compliancy to British law,” Robert responds. “So when you bring something into this country, it has to comply to the UK.”

“That what happens already – that’s why we’ve got three-pinned plugs!” said the exasperated presenter.

Concluding the call, O’Brien told Robert: “You’ve come live on national radio. You’ve described yourself as a Brexiteer, you’re getting told off by your mum in the background, and when I’ve asked you what you think you’ve won, you said the right to three-pin plugs that we already have.”

Clocktower - 18 Dec 2018 16:57 - 10970 of 12628

Let Ireland build a hard border if they want one, otherwise make no changes - as face recognition can be used at all ports that service the Mainland, and leave anyone that is considered undesirable in N.I. effectivly free movement in the whole of Ireland. Problem Solved. :-)

Fred1new - 18 Dec 2018 17:06 - 10971 of 12628

Manuel.

cynic Send an email to cynic View cynic's profile - 18 Dec 2018 08:36 - 10941 of 10968
i find it curious or even pathetic that corbyn lacks the balls to go for a NCV aginst the gov't but picks the relatively minor target of TM


Perhaps, unlike you, he is not so boneheaded to try using it to knock his head up a brick wall.

Wait and see, he may not need to attempt a NCV, as the majority of the parliamentary con artists are against Brexit, No deal Brexit and many transferring their votes to having another referendum.

That will split the tories.

Also, have a look at what JC said about staying in or leaving the EU. (7 out of 10 for staying in. Indicating that it was better to stay in the EU and amend RRLs)

Also, have a look at Corbyn's voting patterns over the last 20 or so years.

Must admit, I would differ slightly but appreciate his general stances and apparent moral judgements.

At least he thinks before he jumps.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10133/jeremy_corbyn/islington_north/votes

cynic - 18 Dec 2018 17:11 - 10972 of 12628

CT - this irish border problem relates primarily to business and speedy border crossings and not really to do with individuals ....... an electronic border has been suggested, but the problem there is that no such system currently exists ..... for all that, i find it extraordinary that what looks very simple to the layman is proving a massive headache to those trying to sort it

cynic - 18 Dec 2018 17:19 - 10973 of 12628

10941 - fred loved his witty post so much (though no one else seems to have cared) that he just had to post it a second time

Clocktower - 18 Dec 2018 17:30 - 10974 of 12628

cynic - it would start to worry the Irish if they could only travel freely around N.I but would get stopped from getting on a boat or plane to the Mainland.
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