Alleyne
- 12 Jun 2007 22:43
- 1105 of 3050
Hey cynic, do you always sound like a pompous arse or do you have to practice? Lols ! So much huffing and puffing, Where's Thomas The Tank Shorter?
I always know when I've won an argument. My 'opponent' starts getting personnally abusive. 'Supercilious! Arrogant!' Case closed.
kitosdad
- 13 Jun 2007 07:44
- 1106 of 3050
Nah ... keep it going guys. Great entertainment.
GF .... you're fired.
Greyhound
- 13 Jun 2007 08:05
- 1107 of 3050
cynic, if that question about trailing stop loss was for me, then yes, I've made a lot of cash here - on the rise from 1 and more recently as you know from shorting and turning around again - and it's not as you correctly state a one way bet.
Alleyne - personally I think your tones could well be over optimistic. I've shorted and made money here. If you think there is no possibility that this rapid rise could not be equalled by rapid falls, then you're simply naive. And i'm long by the way!
cynic
- 13 Jun 2007 08:23
- 1108 of 3050
yes Dogsbody, the Q was for you ..... i assumed you were long, and if i had bought on the most recent bounce from 480, i too would still hold that position, but monitor carefully as i know you do ....... as for Alleyne, shall leave him to crow from his own dunghill where he is clearly king, albeit as probably sole resident
kitosdad
- 13 Jun 2007 08:33
- 1109 of 3050
Ouch.!!!
goldfinger
- 13 Jun 2007 13:06
- 1110 of 3050
Couldnt be clearer, from the last 1/4trs cash flow statement...
Cash (used in) / generated by (7,924) 3,256 (13,203)
operations
Interest paid (616) (20) (464)
Net cash (used in) / (8,540) 3,236 (13,667)
generated by operating
activities
Once again I reiterate the fact that sola does not genarate cash.
Couldnt be clearer, thats why they need borrowings for day to day operations.
The institutions would be fools not to redeem their bonds at 588p, lets face it they only yield 1% per annum..... taken from the RNS....
The Convertible Bonds may be converted into New Shares at the option of the
holder at any time on and after 10 April 2007 up to the close of business on 11
March 2012. The Convertible Bonds will accrue interest at 1.00 per cent. per
annum.
And lets not forget the bond issue represent 10% of the sola market capitalisation.
Cynic some good points made.
cynic
- 13 Jun 2007 13:34
- 1111 of 3050
thanks GF, though per my recent posts, i do not exactly agree with your gloomy prognostications either ..... btw, with SOLA really was range-bound within a 100p spread; making money would then be easier than shooting rats in a barrel!
goldfinger
- 13 Jun 2007 14:00
- 1112 of 3050
Cynic your taking the TA view I suspect and Im going down the fundys path.
Medium term I cannot see this being able to compete using scrap silicon. At some stage its going to have to be able to produce the raw material or buy it in, either way margins will be drammaticaly erroded and the market premium of 1,045% to assets will be erroded away.
A growth company should trade at a premium to assets usually a big one, but this ones rating is ludicrous, lets not forget it only made 11 million profit last year and that was without paying any tax.
The danger signals are looming.
cynic
- 13 Jun 2007 14:19
- 1113 of 3050
you are sort-of right, though i trade via CFDs which are not time sensitive.
i think the charts + volumes may give clues as to the next direction, but at the moment sp is just drifting rather aimlessly
goldfinger
- 13 Jun 2007 14:40
- 1114 of 3050
Cheers cynic I guess we both wear differing hats, at the moment I dont have my traders hat on due to time constraints and am investing for the medium to long term but I have had periods ( a few years at a time) where I have day traded sometimes using elliot wave theory although I cannot be fully converted to his gospel.
Its a pity this once sane thread as been infiltrated by the advfn itinerant loons who show as much knowledge of investing as would an insane nany goat.
It needs a good old bear market to shake them out of the markets and have them running for the hills.
cynic
- 13 Jun 2007 14:46
- 1115 of 3050
i don't entirely agree, for i have the well-cultivated knack of infuriating even some of the most placid people ...... the likes of Alleyne and Scotinvestor are specifically excluded!
goldfinger
- 13 Jun 2007 15:15
- 1116 of 3050
LOL.
goldfinger
- 14 Jun 2007 12:01
- 1117 of 3050
Seems to be stalling.
Looks like the bulls have got early jitters over results at the end of this month.
cynic
- 14 Jun 2007 12:04
- 1118 of 3050
550/552 is hardly stalling, especially with such paltry volume! .... one could argue much more cogently that sp is merely pausing for breath before another assault on the 560 resistance ..... far too dangerous to short (or buy) at this juncture, especially with both Dow and FTSE determined to forge ahead, even if that does not have a direct influence on 3rd-liners such as SOLA
goldfinger
- 14 Jun 2007 12:12
- 1119 of 3050
A rolling P/E of 35 looks far too topy.
PI liquidity may becoming an issue. If you look at the number of posters on the loon board across the road who are saying, "if only I had a bit of extra cash" etc.
As Benjamin Graham pointed out, theres an inverse relationship between enthusiasm and liquidity at market tops.
cynic
- 14 Jun 2007 12:15
- 1120 of 3050
you may well be right, but pissing against the wind can be an unpleasant experience!
goldfinger
- 14 Jun 2007 13:09
- 1121 of 3050
Especially if your wearing light coloured kecks.
kitosdad
- 14 Jun 2007 13:11
- 1122 of 3050
can ALSO be an unpleasant experience for someone sitting on the fence, as usual.
goldfinger
- 14 Jun 2007 15:25
- 1123 of 3050
Looks to be resistance at 560p.
Thats a shame cant wait for it to get to 588p, but that might take a few years.
cynic
- 14 Jun 2007 15:34
- 1124 of 3050
that is what i said several posts back, adding that that was why etc etc etc (don't wish to write it out all over again!)