Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Happy New Year for Dil.

To cheer Dil and Georgie boy up!

'Brexit 50-50' if May's deal rejected, says Liam Fox
5 hours ago

Senior Brexiteer minister Liam Fox says there is a 50-50 chance the UK will not leave the EU on 29 March if MPs reject Theresa May's Brexit deal next month.

Brexit Year Eve.

Happy days.

Perhaps the truth?

Hardly Fred. I wonder why those coming this way say that they would rather drown than stay in France. Land of tolerance this is, we even tolerate you. Happy New Year.

i confess i am also rather puzzled as to why migrants are still desperate to come to uk, when france and the rest of europe are no less "safe"

while some, though assuredly not all, are fleeing for their lives from their homelands - eg the kurds - why should uk feel obligated to accept all and sundry?
or put another way, why should not uk return them to france, where eu has far greater obligations to accommodate them in all respects?

Manuel,

I believe England accepted your antecedents.

in the 1930's, generally with considerable reluctance and strictures

as for my grandparents at the turn of 20th century, things were very different, not least that the jews supported their own and there was no state safety net or comfort blanket of any kind

and your next point is what, preferably with some validity unlike your last?

You are very virtuous.

Must be Xmas spirit.

But I suppose size of the wallet is more important than the size of the heart.

Fred - Its not the size of the heart that will count, its the knives and bullets & bombs that get used against citizens of the UK that is the concern of many, as they fear these are being used to change the values of the Country. In addition to the the volume of those trying to reach our shores, that many of these people hold different values to the 52% that voted for a clean break from the EU, to defend our skys and shores from invasion.

Happy New Year & peace to all.

Ah yes, I was forgetting that not all terrorists are muslim, but all muslims are terrorists.

Man the barricades....

Labour members want Corbyn to back second Brexit referendum - poll

Jeremy Corbyn is facing further pressure to back a second Brexit referendum after polling showed support among Labour members for another vote.

The Labour leader has resisted calls from within his party to back a referendum, instead calling for a general election and promising to strike his own "jobs-first" Brexit deal with Brussels retaining all the benefits of staying in while leaving.

But a study of more than 1,000 Labour members found that 72% want Corbyn to throw his weight behind a so-called People's Vote.

Outside the membership, the study also found backing for a second vote among Labour supporters, with some 57% of current Labour voters and 61% of those who backed the party at the 2017 election want Corbyn to "fully support" a fresh referendum.

The work suggests that tens of thousands of Labour members could be prepared to quit the party over the leadership's approach to leaving the EU.

Almost a quarter (23%) of Labour members put Corbyn's refusal to back a second referendum down to a belief that he supports Brexit.

Professor Tim Bale, of Queen Mary University London, said: "Our survey of Labour's grassroots clearly shows that Corbyn's apparent willingness to see the UK leave the EU - a stance he has recently reiterated - is seriously at odds with what the overwhelming majority of Labour's members want, and it doesn't reflect the views of most Labour voters either."

The work was carried out by YouGov for the Economic and Social Research Council-funded Party Members Project.

Some 29% of Labour's rank-and-file members said they oppose the stance that the party has taken on Brexit - and 56% of those told researchers it has caused them to consider quitting.

That proportion would be equivalent to around 88,000 members, according to the project's analysis.

If there is another referendum - and a three-way question - some 88% of Labour members said they would back Remain, 3% said they would leave with Theresa May's deal and 5% would support leaving with no deal.

If the choice was between the prime minister's deal and leaving the EU without an agreement, some 27% of Labour members said they would boycott the vote altogether, although 46% said they would take May's deal.

Some 89% of Labour members - compared with 65% of current Labour voters and only 45% of all voters - are convinced that leaving the EU without a deal would cause economic damage in the medium to long-term.

While just 35% of the electorate as a whole believe that warnings of short-term disruption with potential problems for food and medicine supplies in a no-deal Brexit are realistic, that figure rises to 82% of Labour members and 58% of Labour voters.

Prof Bale said: "Our survey suggests Labour's membership is overwhelmingly in favour of the UK remaining in the EU and badly wants a referendum to achieve that end.

"It also suggests that Labour voters, while not as keen as the party's members on either count, are in the same camp.
"Labour's grassroots clearly hate Brexit and, although many of them still love Corbyn, he might not be able to rely for much longer on their support for him trumping their opposition to leaving the EU.

"As a result, our research is bound to increase the pressure on Labour's leader to get off the fence."

YouGov surveyed 1,034 Labour Party members between December 17 and 21 2018. The pollster also surveyed a representative sample of 1,675 British adults on December 18-19.

A survey of 1024 labour voters against a vote of over 17 million.

Well that's a sure fire thing then Hils.

One thing I do believe is that Corbyn wants to leave and more than Mrs May does.

Roll on that Informed referendum and then the UK can get back some sort of normality before the Tories get kicked out.

What will be the question Stan?

In or out knowing what is now known of course M.

O and what are the terms will we have with the EU if we leave?

God knows!

Ask him/her/it.

I see French and German manufacturing goods declined again.